LOL Kerry just called Andrea Mitchell's pro-Hillary argument "lame"

[Unsane]

"But why cant Obama win big states? Wont he lose Ohio and Texas?" but but but!

[Tarc]

1. You stay classy, John Kerry

:eyes:

[tabasco]

2. Ya' gotta figure Mr. & Mrs. Greenspan are big Hillary supporters.

Don't want to rock the boat.

[TheDebbieDee]

8. Are you sure about that?

To me, she always seems to be bashing Sen. Clinton.

[TexasObserver]

17. Yes, Mrs. Greenspan is a beltway lackey

You may recall that the White House used her to promote the meme that Valerie Plame was not undercover and everyone in DC knew it. She was called on it, and quickly had to admit she was repeating something that she had no idea whether it was true.

She's a shill for Hillary.

[DURHAM D]

30. What an amazing leap of logic - or lack there of. eom

[TexasObserver]

34. It's not a leap, but it is logic.

If you don't know that Andrea Mitchell is a beltway shill, then you need to spend more time paying attention to what she says and does. I gave an example which most can understand. Apparently, it's over your head.

[DURHAM D]

47. Your stupid leap is the idea that Hillary is a beltway insider.

Neither Bill or Hillary have ever been liked by the establishment D.C. shills.

Apparently you live too far away to get it.

[karynnj]

82. I live as close as you do - and the Clintons are not outsiders

They were in 1992, but this is 2008. Bill Clinton has been the most powerful Democrat in the party for 16 years. Of the Democratic leaning media, a good proportion have some ties to his administration. I know there are publications to the left, but HRC started with many in her corner.

[yardwork]

60. Are you accusing Hillary Clinton of being behind the Plame outing?

That's so ridiculous it doesn't deserve a response. Now I think I have heard everything.

[TexasObserver]

67. No, and that's an absurd conclusion on your part

[yardwork]

71. I reached it from your post. Please reread your post -

"Yes, Mrs. Greenspan is a beltway lackey

You may recall that the White House used her to promote the meme that Valerie Plame was not undercover and everyone in DC knew it. She was called on it, and quickly had to admit she was repeating something that she had no idea whether it was true.

She's a shill for Hillary."

Now, let's take a look at this. Your thesis statement is that "Mrs. Greenspan is a beltway lackey." You then go to Andrea Mitchell's involvement in the Plame scandal and her apparent shilling for the Bush White House. You then conclude that she's a shill for Hillary.

How did you reach those three points? I don't see the connection at all!

[GalleryGod]

83. I recall when "Andi" was coverning Philly City Hall in the 1970's

Smart woman; nice;really went out of her way to help young h.s. girls to take a look at broadcasting as a career...however:
That was THEN, this is NOW.:argh:

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. He was a real jerk. Did you see that egg all over his sorry face?

I did.

[liberalnurse]

18. Kerry is the Democrats

Poster Child of LAME!

04 Ohio votes he just left in the trash; turned his back on voters denied to have their votes cast and counted.
Kerry is Lame alright. Andrea has it right today!

[yardwork]

4. The statesmanlike thing to do for Kerry would have been to stay out of this

until after the primaries. Maybe Kerry is angry with the Clintons about not helping him more in 2004. I don't know. But there's something weird about the former Democratic candidate slamming one of the two Democratic candidates now. I don't like it, and I'd say the same if Kerry were slamming Obama.

[bigtree]

5. It's 2004 for him

[Tellurian]

31. Kerry has always been jealous of the Clintons..

Bill had open heart surgery in 04'... Two weeks after, he headlined a Kerry Rally.. wasn't good enough for Kerry! TS!

[blm]

43. Baloney - on what calendar does last week in October follow 2weeks after midSeptember

And how much is THREE SOLID WEEKS of Bill Clinton's high profile book tour spent defending Bush in June-July count to you?

[Tellurian]

58. Three mos after surgery is the usual recovery time for OHS..

Why didn't Kerry fight for us after the election?

Do you thnk McCain will return the favor and ask him to fill his VP slot?

[karynnj]

85. How do you know how called how as far as campaigning went?

By late October, Kerry was surging on his own. He was getting crowds that were breaking all past records - including Clinton's in 1992. It was great that Bill Clinton came to Philadelphia and he did a good job - But John Kerry himself would have had a huge crowd - and the story would have been KERRY, not Clinton. From the CSPAN coverage, Kerry got as much or more applause on his applause lines as Clinton.

As to Ohio, there was not sufficient proof - you can't count votes not cast. Within 2 weeks of the election, Clinton was congratulating Karl Rove - that might signal the type of support the party would have given him.

[blm]

70. Kerry's been PISSED at Clintons for deep-sixing BCCI report to protect Poppy Bush

and Jackson Stephens.

There should never have been a Bush2 or 9-11. Clinton screwed over EVERY Democrat who cares about open government and accountability. How did Bill's protecting Bush's secrecy and privilege work out over the long run?

[THUNDER HANDS]

33. unlike Bill Clinton

[yardwork]

62. I'm not defending Bill Clinton either but at least he's married to the candidate he's supporting.

Why was Kerry so keen on leaping into the primaries this early? It makes him look like he has something personal against Hillary Clinton.

[karynnj]

88. In NJ, Corzine and Menendez were extremely active for HRC

I haven't seen a single thread knock them for it. I've seen HRC post endorsements for her - inluding Mondale and McGovern. As to this early, Kerry waited until after NH, unlike Gore in 2000.

I think you should read Kerry's reasons - they deal with the direction that he hopes the country will go in. Look at the battles he has been willing to fight that the Clintons have trashed him for since 2004. Also all Democrats agree on most issues, look at the difference on two issues. Kerry has been big on ethics and campaign financing reform - And Obama took a lead on this in Illinois and the US Senate. Let's just leave it that that is not the Clintons' strong suit.

Then there is the issue of accountability and openness in government - values I can find in Kerry speeches going back to the beginning of the records in Thomas. Look at how they did their respective healthcare reform efforts. HRC needed threats of lawsuits to even disclose who she talked to and the actual record of the task force is still unreleased. Obama, on the other hand, worked with all the stakeholders and got something passed.

In addition, Kerry really does seem to see Obama as closer to his foreign policy views - and I see more similarity in Obama speeches to Kerry's views.

Kerry has taken pains to praise HRC every time he is asked about her. He also defended her when she was attacked for asking for the exit plan. He did so strongly enough that the NYT caucus blog speculated that he was behind her.

[elixir]

35. Totally agree, he should have waited until after 2/5 and supported the clear candidate.

[Mags]

37. I totally agree with that. I worked hard for him during his

Pres. race. I lost a lot of respect for him,when he surrendered after Ohio and now putting himself in the middle of this.

[GalleryGod]

84. Like WJC did?

[goldcanyonaz]

6. Kerry comes off as very bitter, he should have stayed out of all this.

[leftynyc]

39. He can't be happy about MA last

night. His own constituents turned against his endorsement.

[Mass]

72. Sure. + 37 % on a SUSA poll 2 weeks ago, + 15 at the polls. Clearly, his endorsement hurt.

:sarcasm:

[leftynyc]

73. Obama supporters were pushing polls

yesterday that had MA even. Nothing to say about that?

[Mass]

74. No, in fact SUSA had exactly the right result yesterday. They had Clinton by 17.

Sure Zogby was wrong, as everywhere else.

[leftynyc]

75. Zogby wrong,

Rasmussen wrong. Yet they'll continue to be pushed because of what people want to believe. Just because one poll had it right this time around is meaningless.

[Straight Shooter]

7. I want my "fight the election results" contribution back from you, Kerry.

Lame is as lame does.

[Fran Kubelik]

10. Yeah.

Me too.
:(
Where did that money go, btw?

[Straight Shooter]

12. I've been wondering the same thing.

He turned some of it loose in 2006, but not much.

Windsurfing is an expensive sport, I suppose. :)

[karynnj]

89. He contributed far far more in 2006 than HRC did.

Windsurfing is not an expensive sport - I've seen it in many places. It is not money, but the required fitness that filters who can do it. Clinton's golfing is likely more expensive - not to mention both have the money to do it.

[yardwork]

19. $15 million in reserve - that's some of my money, damn it!

[rodeodance]

24. mine too.

[Cameron27]

53. Mine too

[jillan]

9. I have to wonder

How Kerry and Kennedy are going to feel if Hillary is elected President.

That's why I am hoping Biden stays out of this.

[Tellurian]

32. Why should Biden stay out?

[jillan]

42. Because one day he will have to work with either a Clinton Presidency

or an Obama Presidency.

[Tellurian]

56. Ah, yes, right..

was the Delaware vote by caucus or voting? I guess, I could look it up, if you don't know off the top of your head..

[jillan]

79. Primary - it went to BO.

[beachmom]

40. They'll be just fine thank you very much. They represent the

liberal caucus in the Senate and a Hillary presidency will have to deal with them.

[Mass]

57. Very well. They will fight for her in the GE if she is the nominee.

This is how the game is played. Come on, Kerry and Kennedy have been saying plenty of nice things about Clinton. It does not mean that they have to agree to the BS media anymore than Clinton's people do. The truth is that Obama won some big states today: GA, IL, MO. Sure, your candidate won CA and it is the big state, but she got barely more than 50 % of the popular votes across those states. Why should he accept Mitchell's BS more than anybody else.

BTW, What about your governor, who, if I am not mistaken, is deeply supporting Obama. Is she a fool also.

[MoonRiver]

11. Kerry the loser, talking about winning strategies for Obama.

:rofl:

[karynnj]

90. Kerry won the nomination race in what

I would think was far closer to a "flawless" race than HRC has run so far this year.

[Apollo11]

13. John Kerry - the voice of change?

As Bill would say, "Give Me A Break".

I honestly think John Kerry and Ted Kennedy are in this because they don't like the Clintons.

Maybe they didn't get enough invitations to the Whitehouse back in the 90s? :eyes:

[JeanGrey]

22. "Don't like the Clintons?"

Gee, who could not like them? :eyes: :eyes:

[mtnsnake]

44. He is the voice of change. "I was for it before I was against it."

[robbedvoter]

14. Dude, where's my 2004 vote????

[ProSense]

15. Good for Senator Kerry!

Call them on their lame spin!

Now, back to Hillary supporters whining that the media is unfair to Hillary!

[Cha]

68. Listening to Obama's speech

in Illinois last night..I can't imagine corporateheads are too excited about an Obama Presdiency like the rest of us, excepting hilayheads, of course.

[doc03]

16. Kerry and the Kennedys couldn't

even deliver Massachusetts for Obama. From past performance a Ted Kennedy endorsement has been a kiss of death to the other candidates. Some people may find it hard to believe but in places like Ohio you wouldn't want to be seen with Ted Kennedy or John Kerry.

[yardwork]

23. I posted that the day Ted gave his endorsement.

It wasn't "slamming" Teddy. I like Teddy. I just know that most of my neighbors in NC and former neighbors in OH don't feel the same way at all. And those are the Democrats!

[Straight Shooter]

25. I think Kerry's anti-charisma drains Barack's charisma.

Just an aura thing about Kerry. Mr. Inspiration and Mr. Anti-Inspiration. Kerry went against the most hated resident in the Oval Office since Nixon, but couldn't garner enough votes for what he knew would be election tampering.

That's the definition of lame.

[doc03]

81. I saw a funny thing on Leno last

night he was doing his Jaywalking spot. He shows a women a picture of John Kerry and asked her
if she knew his name, she thinks a second and says that's the flip-flop guy.

[leftynyc]

41. Nobody has done more for women

than Ted Kennedy has during his long career. I'll never forget that although I consider his endorsement meaningless (to me).

[goodgd_yall]

45. But as you must be aware of

Ted Kennedy is considered ultra-liberal, the liberal's liberal, and liberal doensn't fly anymore in this country, even if it only flew about as far as a turkey could many years ago. Moderates want to keep a distance from him. So, his endorsement is more a hindrance than a help.

[leftynyc]

48. I understand that

I just don't like seeing the trashing of a senator who has an impeccable record for liberal causes. I don't heed endorsements but I try not to trash the endorser when he/she has a long history of good.

[Oak2004]

76. You are several years behind public opinion

Public opinion has veered sharply to the left in the last couple of years. "Conservative" is becoming the bad word in politics. "Liberal" may or may not be rehabilitated, but if it's not, I'm sure "progressive" is climbing in value.

[amborin]

20. kerrry is a bitter loose cannon

he has come out with some of the most off the wall, nonsense statements over the years

now he's a bitter loser whose comments are totally inappropriate

and, who cares what he says? can't believe i campaigned for him after some of his insane statements in 2004

he has no credibility

[karynnj]

92. Off the wall nonsense?

You mean like:

- Trying to rally the Democrats against Alito based on his extreme views on unitary President. Had the Clinton really thrown their weight behind it, they could have stopped him.

- Kerry/Feingold, which the Clinton wing vilified him for - yet after November 2006 - HRC is practically steal his words from then, now that it is the Democratic policy

or do you mean the 4 decades worth of being a leader on environmental issues - even back to when Clinton's response to Tyson's polluting the waters of Arkansas was to create a task force.

If you want off the wall stuff -

- Where did HRC's baby bond stuff go?
- Or her idea to freeze mortgage rates fro 5 years. Help is needed, but this seems to not even be legal.

[amborin]

21. kerrry is a bitter loose cannon

he has come out with some of the most off the wall, nonsense statements over the years

now he's a bitter loser whose comments are totally inappropriate

and, who cares what he says? can't believe i campaigned for him after some of his insane statements in 2004

he has no credibility

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

26. I will vote for Obama...I will vote for Clinton...

I would vote for Mike Gravel if he was our nominee.

But I will never cast another vote for John Kerry. He didn't fight for the vote I gave him last time. Fuck him.

[flyarm]

27. hey Kerry how is that counting on the votes of 2004 going..you know the count i gave you 5 grand for

yeah Kerry the count you humiliated Edwards with and told him to go out and tell all of us you were going to count every vote??!! Right about now you need to stfu Kerry..you are now an embarrassment.

oh and by the way Kerry...I sent you the 5 grand to count votes..not for you to give it to candidates..i may not approve
of.

Hey Kerry, i didn't see you whinning about the votes that weren't counted and people that were disenfranchised in 2004..

i guess Obama is more important to you Kerry ...than the millions of voters who stood in lines in the hot and cold to vote for your sorry ass..right Kerry? or your former running mate...who you fucked ...

karma sucks... huh Kerry..your Karma has worn its welcome. now go stfu.

You don't matter Kerry..the vote showed that last night..you have alot of nerve to come out today and say a damn thing..

fly

[Straight Shooter]

36. You gave him 5 grand? OUCH!!

:hug:

[Whisp]

52. wow fly, I'm sorry.

you have every right to be royally pissed.
This is one thing about Kerry that I will not forget either - I didn't give him money - but I do wonder where the hell it is as it was Not Used for what he promised he would do with it.

that is fraudulent in my eyes. He should be so ashamed and hide in some hole.

[Cameron27]

54. Whew, 5 grand

I don't blame you for being pissed.

[Eurobabe]

64. I never gave a dime to Kerry n/t

[yardwork]

65. No wonder you are mad at the Democrats. Dude! I'd be angry, too.

Come to think of it, I am angry about it, but I gave the Democrats less.

[mtnsnake]

28. Poor Obama. He had so much more momentum going until Kerry stepped in. What a dork

Obama probably would've taken MA if Kerry didn't endorse him. Oh well, Obama can always hope that Kerry will change his mind and endorse someone else by next week if the polls tell him to.

[rodeodance]

29. Its a good question.

[beachmom]

38. No that is not what he said. He said if Obama wins the majority

of delegates, but then Hillary argues to the superdelegates that he can't win a "big state", that is a lame argument. I mean, does anyone disagree with the notion that whoever wins the most delegates wins the nomination? It doesn't matter WHERE those delegates come from out in the country, just that they are won. It will be unforgiveable if super delegates vote AGAINST the people, by the way.

What is lame is people taking every opportunity to bash a surrogate just because he supports a different candidate.

[politicasista]

50. Thank you n/t

[nonconformist]

51. It matters because if our nominee can't win a big state, historically blue states or...

on the fence states (like Ohio), then that nominee probably can't win the general.

Victories in places in Utah in the primaries mean NOTHING in the GE.

[Inuca]

59. Not a valid argument

at least based on the vote results so far. What are the big states that Clinton has won so far? CA, NY, MA (ignore MI and FL, they do not count). Is there a reasonable chance of any of these NOT being won by the dem nominee, no matter who s/he is? Victories in Utah may not mean much in the GE, I agree with that,, but overall Obama has a better chance to turn purple into blue, and even have coattails in red states. We still have to wait and see what will be happening in other major purple(ish) states like VA, OH. or even PA.

[Mass]

61. Obama won IL (more voters than NY), MO, and GA. Not exactly as if he could not win a big state.

[karynnj]

93. The Democratic candidate NOT winning Massachusetts in the primaryt

does not mean he won't win it in the general election. McCain lost Utah, does that mean he won't carry it in the general election? If McCain loses Texas in the primary, should they worry about it in the general election?

Also what happens if it is McCain/Obama - does that mean NO ONE wins Massachusetts.

The primary is against another person with Democratic values.

[CyberPieHole]

46. Is this the same Kerry who didn't have the cojones to challenge the Swiftbutt folks?

did he buy a pair somewhere?

[MoonRiver]

49. No, he rented an old flacid set from Uncle Ted.

Seems they don't fit too well.

[Inuca]

66. With all due respect

you are disgusting. And incidentaly, the respect mentioned above is minimal.

[CyberPieHole]

78. ...

:spray:

[Mass]

55. I need a tissue. I am going to cry. I cannot stand the truth!!! This thread is a sad image of what

some Clinton supporters are!

[Inuca]

63. A sad image

of mindless silly negativism, and mighty "cojones" that so many like to refer to, butonly when behind a keyboard, while said cojones would be barely noticeable even when under a microscope in the real world in which Kennedy and Kerry function (admirably, I must add). I think/hope that we should not blame Clinton for the childishness of some of her supporters. But it is sad, I agree.

[Mass]

69. As I said, "some supporters", not even a majority of them.

[FrenchieCat]

80. Forget about them. They are small and jealous and lashing out.....

in other words, they know not what they do.

Let them trash great Democrats at their own peril. They have nothing else.

[TheDonkey]

77. Go Kerry! we need to get a youtube clip :)

[Fabio]

86. quote please

[sallyseven]

87. Andrea Mitchel hates Hillary no mistake about it.

Kerry should shut up. He has a democratic opponent this year.

[BigDDem]

91. Kerry is the definition of lame

Is he going to be campaigning for BO in Ohio?

[itcfish]

94. Andrea Pro-Hillary?

Now that is funny coming the Kerry who stabbed the Clintons right in the back.