berni_mccoy
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:50 PM
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Can ANYONE HERE Honestly Say that one Dem candidate will be attacked more than another by GOP? |
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C'mon, are there that man noobs here. The GOP RW Talking Point machine, Pajama brigade and Freeper nuts are going to bring out every bit of ammo they have and aim it at the nominee, whoever that is.
They will not stop until they feel they have done everything possible to destroy that person's character, including attacking family members, children and old acquaintances. They will do everything they can to fill the MSM with bullshit swiftboating lies and the MSM will happily eat it up because there is nothing better the MSM likes than watching a good personal character destruction in slow motion, rendering it on the screen for all to see.
Let's get real here people, if Clinton wins, she will be endlessly attacked.
If Obama wins, he will be endlessly attacked.
And it won't end after we WIN the G.E. The will continue to try to destroy whoever becomes President so long as that President isn't a repuke. They won't stop until that person is half-hated by the Democratic base, and they won't stop then.
They will be the chorus of cynics, who like wailing banshees and screeching harpies, will continue to echo devastating sounds into the ears of Americans until all are filled with putrid hate.
That is what they do.
Don't think they will go easy on any one Democrat.
They won't.
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:51 PM
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1. as usual, the GOP will mercilessly go after the Dems |
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Wed Feb-06-08 03:06 PM
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29. If Obama has done any little thing it will be made huge |
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The republicans have been after Hillary for about 35 years...and there can't be too much out there to find, on the other hand do you think republicans are going to let Obama get by with thing like I didn't vote for the WAR, when heck Obama wasn't in the senate to vote against the war, he is actually lying about he didn't vote for the War, heck I was against the war, but I don't see that meaning any thing, Hillary should preaching from every mountain top, that he wasn't in place to vote any thing on the war, half the people that voted for him think he actually was in the senate and voted against the war
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:51 PM
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2. Nope. And it'll be dueling swiftboats fighting like pirates |
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:52 PM
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3. History shows that the hatred for Hillary runs high in the GOP |
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But they are also the party of bigots.
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:55 PM
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9. er, GOP no longer the only racists now, after the "Jesse Jackson" comment |
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Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 01:55 PM by WillYourVoteBCounted
The Dems no longer can claim moral superiority to the repugs, not after Bill Clinton denigrated Obama's big win in South Carolina, trying to say it was no real achievement, since after all, Jesse Jackson won there. (but so did other democrats).
After seeing the dirty tricks Bill is willing to pull to try to diminish Obama, nope - Dems can't claim they are better than repubs on racism.
In fact, it seems that it is the Dems who are acting the most racist of all right now.
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Wed Feb-06-08 02:49 PM
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28. So to compare a black guy to a black guy is racist? |
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I just don't understand that (and neither does Jesse Jackson by the way) how come that's so horrible. Nothing is slanted at all - Jesse Jackson won SC and lost the nomination. Clinton's saying it's feasible Obama will too. I happen to think Obama will win the nomination and I'm pretty damn sure he'll come a sight closer than Jesse did, but there's bugger all there that says, implies or even hints that it's because neither of them are WASPs.
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:56 PM
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12. It has nothing to do with hate. They'll smear anyone. |
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Wed Feb-06-08 02:12 PM
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19. yup, they have proved that |
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:52 PM
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4. It's who will fight back and kick ass that I'm concerned with. |
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Obama hasn't shown me that he will.
At least, not yet.
He has until next Tuesday.
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:55 PM
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10. I'd say he's done damn well fighting the baseless attacks made by Clinton et al. |
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:57 PM
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14. the Clintons brought alot of attacks on themselves and we had to suffer because of it |
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Hillary and Bill did alot of things to bring woe upon themselves and the democratic party. Thanks to them the democratic party has stood in shambles for years.
Things were a little better in some ways, but there was a dot com boom.
They also presided over an increase in locking up young black men in our country.
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:53 PM
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5. after experiencing a Clinton presidency, I can say YES |
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With Hillary, we lose the down ticket and we gain at least a few years of bitter non stop 24 hour a day scandal rehashing, and when the new scandals occur, they get piled on top.
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:54 PM
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6. no, but i now how well one of the candidates can fight the attacks |
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all i know about the other is, he wants to reach across party lines, bla, bla, bla...
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:55 PM
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7. With the way Obama has fought back against baseless attacks by Clinton, I'd say he's done well. |
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Wed Feb-06-08 02:08 PM
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18. like i said on another thread, if he thinks those were "attacks" |
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he's more naive than i thought...what Hillary threw at him, were flowers compared to what GOP will bring, should he get the nomination
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Wed Feb-06-08 02:27 PM
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26. Hillary treated 0bama with kid gloves. By the time the GOP is done with him he'll be |
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:57 PM
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13. I concur. The GOP hate for Hillary is the result of the Clintons winning DESPITE the GOP smear |
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machine.
She's been through the fire.
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Wed Feb-06-08 02:13 PM
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22. true, that is the history, they hate them because they win |
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:55 PM
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8. True. The question is, who will it stick to? |
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There's one candidate who they already have a 15 year head start on smearing.
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:56 PM
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11. No mattwer who runs they will be lied about and smeared by the GOP. |
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Anyone who thinks otherwise, IMO, is incredibly naive.
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Wed Feb-06-08 01:58 PM
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15. They will attack Obama just as much as they will attack Hilary |
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Hilary has a bit of an advantage. The Media and the GOP have hit Hilary so much with their hate that most Americans tune it out. The GOP--Guilliani Romney and McCain have been beating up on her during the Primaries and she is still going strong. She needs to start throwing some arrows their way. Since Obama is relatively unknown they will be able to make things stick on him more.
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Wed Feb-06-08 02:06 PM
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16. This difference is... |
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Clinton starts with an favorable rating some low number with very little independent appeal.
Obaba starts with a much higher favorable rating with some independent and young vote appeal.
Taking someone from 80% to 50% is one thing. From 40% to 20% is another.
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Wed Feb-06-08 02:08 PM
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17. They'll both be under equal attack. |
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And I think the South Carolina debate is a good indicator of how each handles attacks.
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Wed Feb-06-08 02:12 PM
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They do not have the same ability to attack endlessly against Obama, as they would Clinton, because they have a ready market for their Clinton attacks. Not so with Obama. He's a much harder target for them. And it takes money to attack. They can get endless amounts of money when the Clintons are the nominee. With Obama, that isn't going to be true.
It does matter who the nominee is, because that defines the degree to which their negative machine can function. With the Clintons, they'll raise a ton of money and it WILL mobilize every rightwing moron in the country to get out and vote.
They can and will attack Clinton more, because her being on the ticket will provide them a King's ransom in funds to do so.
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Wed Feb-06-08 02:15 PM
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23. No. They'd be both/either equally attacked. The argument is - who'd be better |
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equipped to respond to it. The one who has been relentlessly attacked, or the one who thinks they really, really like him?
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Wed Feb-06-08 02:16 PM
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24. Worry instead about how centrist the R candidate will be. |
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The Center still decides American elections folks!!
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Wed Feb-06-08 02:16 PM
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25. It's not a question of which Dem will be attacked more, but of which |
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Dem will be attacked more effectively.
They've been storing up ammunition on Hillary for 15 years. Every old debunked calumny will be dragged out, and time will be wasted debunking them again, and there will be no shortage of new attacks available. If she gets the nom, the final months of campaigning will look like the scorched earth of the 90s all over again, and people will NOT want that to continue for the next 4 years.
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Wed Feb-06-08 02:44 PM
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All the Clinton smears are old news. Heard em all before from sea to shining sea. the American Idol crowd craves novelty - and despite faux outrage and handwringing over Clinton "attacks" on Obama these have been extremely mild and few are paying attention. Get Scaife's money going against Obama non stop for six months and see how many idiots - a huge plurality in GE voters - buy into it.
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Wed Feb-06-08 03:11 PM
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30. When the GOP slime machine says, "Can you trust the lives of |
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your children to the inexperienced Muslim peace-nik named Hussein?" how will Barack fire back?
you don't believe crap like that will happen? hell you obama folks get all upset in a push poll and I know you obama folks enjoy sending flyers and twisting the truth hrc health care and attacks on WJC's administration......so, how will obama react to shit like that above?
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