Don't think for a 2nd that if Clinton tries to seat the florida delegation w/o securing the nod

[Perky]

first that all those Super Delegates would continue to support her.

If she tries when she does not have the nomination sewn up.. There will be huge walkout by super delegates. Every African American whether pledged to her or not will abstain on the first ballot.

Obama will scrounge up enough angry delegates to insure that no one gets a majority on the first ballot.

On the second ballot, who knows who will win. but she will have so pissed off and polarized the party if she did.....that it could a) bring Bloomberg back into the race and I think an outside chance (depending on how much of a seated delegate lead Obama had) of Obama joining Bloomberg.

Hell I would actively support it because it would in my view be the end of the party.


That is the war the Clinton's unleash if they try to seat Florida if they do not have the nomination sewn up without it.

I can 't believe Hillary supporters however adamant they be would support Hillary's efforts in that scenario.


If she has the nomination locked up... then its no big deal.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. I love the way you've outraged yourself w/your own scenario

What an imagination! Of course, my candidate has good sense.

[Sulawesi]

3. what outrage? this is a perfectly reasonable post.

[paulk]

18. Obama's going to join Bloomberg in a 3rd party run?

that's a reasonable scenario?

[Perky]

If Hillary secures the nomination by sheer petty treachery

that is not an unreasonable response.

But there are three or four ifs in that statement.

[Perky]

25. If Hillary secures the nomination by sheer petty treachery

that is not an unreasonable response.

But there are three or four ifs in that statement.

[eleny]

2. Yeah, we'll need Bill Richardson to help with the negotiations!

[Perky]

4. Yeah and Wes Clark to carry the big stick.

oh wait......that might not be the best choice....lol

[eleny]

6. Hee!

I can see the cartoon. Bill sitting with Hill and Barack - warning them that Wes is outside the door with the stick.

[UALRBSofL]

7. This post is what I call divisive

:)

[juajen]

5. I have two blue collar sons who live in Fla,, are over 40 and

are pro Clinton. They tell me that Hillary is unbelievably popular there. I have to believe this since they are both chauvinistic and bigoted. They say Florida is full of right-to-workers who are voting Hillary, who are desperate for help. Add those to the retirees and I don't think Obama would do well in Florida.

[Perky]

9. And perhaps not

But remember he had no orgnization in the state and the I-10 corridor as well as Tampa and Miami would come out fot him. Orlando, and the retirees would probably vote for Hillary.... It would vertainly be closer than the beauty contest.

[juajen]

14. No, it wouldn't.

You've conveniently left out the Latino vote. Florida voted without Obama on the ticket the same way they would have voted if he had been on the ticket. Frankly, I believe Florida would have disliked him. But, we can all believe the way we want, she left her name on the ticket and got the votes. These votes should be counted, however they do it, and they should go to the winner.

Perhaps we should go back and let Hillary campaign more in the Midwestern states she lost. But, gosh, she did decide it wasn't worth the effort. Bad decision? Maybe, but she's stuck with it.

[Perky]

16. Cubans vote differently than other hispanicgroups

The would probably break fvor Clinton as well.. But the large AA propulation in the Northern half of the state would come out in droves just like they did in South Carolina and Georgia and Alabama
ans will in Louisiana and Mississippi.

[juajen]

22. I live in So. Louisiana, and, unfortunately due the our idiot President,

those droves have been misplaced by Katrina. Why do you think Kathleen Blanco lost? Yeah, some people were disgruntled with her, mistakenly I think; but our demographics have radically changed. I am not sure who will take the vote in LA, but Hillary might surprise. My daughter who is in Graduate School says most of her buddies are for Clinton. Of course, once Obama comes and speaks and spreads his magic dust, who knows?

[K Gardner]

21. Well, we won't really know unless he has a chance to campaign there. Its been proven that once peopl

get to know him, he closes the name recognition gap in the polls. Its not really fair to say, he wont do well and therefore doesn't deserve to make his case to the FL voters.. but should just stand by while Hill declares victory in an uncontested noncontest.

[juajen]

23. Sour grapes!

[juajen]

24. Ya'll sure are fond of do-overs.

I believe there was a lot of flack about the early voting in Cali, and that shouldn't be allowed, etc.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

8. Ran out of real things to be pissed about?

[Perky]

11. I am not pissed at all.... I just want people to think of what a floor fight over seating a Fl

delegation would look like if it gave Hillary the Nod she would not otherwise have.


I seriously doubt she would try it...but the nightmare scenario becomes more likely with every primary and caucus.

[K Gardner]

20. This is very real K&H. I've been stewing about it all day too. Trying to stay away from DU because

I can't seem to respond rationally about it, but not having a lot of luck. LOL.

[juajen]

10. Aren't you funny. If she doesn't need them, it's alright to give them to her

Wow, ya'll are something else. She earned those votes. Ask any on here if they would have voted differently if Obama had been on the ticket, which, by the way, was his choice. You want to punish Hillary because Obama made the wrong decision?

[TornadoTN]

12. Obama made the wrong decision by following the rules?

Wow. It shouldn't surprise me about Clinton supporters.

[juajen]

17. Hillary did not campaign in Florida or Michigan.

She broke no rules. All of the candidates could have left their names on the ballot.

[Perky]

13. She did not earn those votes.

Not in the true sense. No campaing had organizations in Florida. People did not vote because it was a beauty contest without consequence. Changinf it to a vote that matters is effectively disenfranchisement.

ALl the major candidates except Hillary dropped off the Micihigan ballot because it was also a beauty contest.

[juajen]

19. Gee, but they thought she stayed on because she was beautiful?

Have they ever heard of follow the leader? Sheesh!

[MilesColtrane]

15. The DNC wouldn't allow a candidate without the evident number of winning delegates make that...

...call.

In a close race, the party insiders will have the ability to come to a candidate and say, "If you agree to seat these delegations in the interest of party unity, we as super delegates will put you over the top for the nomination."

Unfortunately for Obama, this doesn't look to be a deal he can make unless their votes would offset the extra 50 net delegates that Hillary would get from Michigan and Florida.