Obama not only won the delegate count, he won 13 (maybe 14) states! Why is this not a big deal?

[jenmito]

BEFORE yesterday, he was ahead in only TWO of the 22 states and he ended up winning 13 and is leading in the 14th! And the media was saying he's going for delegates, so even if he loses 20 states, he COULD remain competitive. He exceeded expectations yet it's being portrayed as "expected results."

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. Clinton News Network

still has its bets on her.
Her supporters refuse to accept those facts.
MSM pretty much sucks these days.

[jenmito]

6. That's why I didn't watch coverage of last night on CNN at all. n/t

[Metric System]

9. Clinton News Network? ANOTHER RW creation. What a shock!

[bvar22]

60. Oh Yeah....James Carville....Robert Zimmerman...

You can't watch CNN without these shameless Hillary campaigners inserting themselves into the analysis as "Democratic Party Strategists" or "Democratic Party Spokesmen".

They are NOT "Democratic Party Spokesmen"....They ARE "Hillary Campaign Spokesmen".

[Radical Activist]

23. Every primary is spun in Clinton's favor.

The near losses for Hillary are a big deal when Obama was far down in the polls a few weeks before. All this victimization talk about the media being against Hillary is ridiculous.

[jenmito]

35. I agree.

It's obvious no matter WHICH channel you watch.

[ursi]

2. because the bullies from the other side said so!

[DangerDave921]

3. New York and California. eom

[jenmito]

4. You mean her home state and a state she was up in the polls by over 20% nearly the whole time?

[leftynyc]

30. And New Jersey

which MSNBC glossed over along with any other clinton win last night. It was particularly telling that at the beginning of the night (when they thought Zogby was g-d) that CA was going to determine the nomination. That fell by the wayside when it was clear Clinton had indeed won.

[papau]

52. I agree - MSNBC never mention Hillary won nat'l popular vote by 200,000 or that O'sDelaware win was

solely because blacks voted 90% for Obama after he conned them by claiming the Clintons had changed from the first black presidential couple into folks that disrespect MLK and/or are insensitive.

[Little Star]

57. Sad, but true I'm afraid.

[Levgreee]

66. You are incorrect, it fell to the wayside because the rest of the states counteracted CA

If both candidates do okay or well in the other states, then California is the clincher and determines the winner. HOWEVER, as is evident, Obama had a large amount of states with a strong delegate advantage, giving him the LEAD, even though he lost california.

They didn't drop that meme because Hillary won CA, they dropped it because they were totally off in claiming that CA determined who won.

[cottonseed]

36. NY and CA are Dem givens. We need the states Obama won nt

[ElsewheresDaughter]

5. because several of his wining states only had a few thousand votes total that he won with

the population of just NYCity alone is equal to the 13 of those states combined population....states wins carry little weight in the grand picture.....states don't vote PEOPLE do

[jenmito]

12. Please. He was expected to LOSE all of those states. He won many of them.

Hillary's a NY Senator and Bill has an office in Harlem!!!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. again...."states DON"T vote PEOPLE do"

[jenmito]

31. AGAIN-He won all the states he was expected to lose!

[bvar22]

61. People don't vote for President.

The Supreme Court does!

[bvar22]

62. People don't vote for President.

The Supreme Court does (as of 2000)!

[bvar22]

63. People don't vote for President.

The Supreme Court does (as of 2000)!

[cottonseed]

37. I'd think in a GE, Obama takes CA, NY w/o a problem.

The states he took last night is what matters.

[tridim]

7. It is a big deal.

Who is saying it's not?

[jenmito]

14. The media. n/t

[tridim]

19. Well duh. nt

[jenmito]

25. That's the whole point of this thread.

:shrug:

[tridim]

53. Sorry, I just assumed that was assumed

The MSM has never reported honestly about non-corporate candidates.

Edit: Progressive radio is reporting that it's a big deal.

[jenmito]

54. Nope, I didn't assume that...

but you're right and I'm glad to hear that!

[Zueda]

8. Who won the victory speech slot?

[jenmito]

16. I have no idea what the "victory speech slot" is, but Obama gave the best victory speech.

[Barack_America]

10. Because he didn't win the two states that coastal snobs...

...have deemed to be the only important states in this country.

Personally, Obama's victories in Midwestern swing states are far more impressive to me.

[jenmito]

18. Yes, but she was EXPECTED to win them...

And I agree that Obamas's victories were much more impressive.

[Barack_America]

24. My belief is that New York and California don't mean shit.

They'll go blue in the general election anyway.

The states that Obama (handily) won, however, they are vital in the General Election.

[jenmito]

28. I agree. But my point is the MSM isn't playing it that way.

You're right, though. :hi:

[Barack_America]

34. Of course they're not. They're in New York and California.

And we all know how important they are... :eyes:

I now understand what Edwards supporters felt like.

[jenmito]

38. True...

Yeah, I know what you mean.

[tammywammy]

39. Agreed

:)

[scheming daemons]

11. Dont worry.... the narrative is turning Obama's way....

...the intrade and rasmussen markets showed 10% movement toward Obama in the past 48 hours.... the conventional wisdom, which is drawn from the popular viewpoint, which is reflected in these markets shows that Obama is moving up.


intrade.com

rasmussen.com


Forget the spin.... when people are forced to put their money where their mouth is, they are deciding that Obama's in a better place than Clinton right now.

[jenmito]

22. I know-I started a thread about them now being EQUAL on Intrade...

Thanks for pointing it out! :hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4436294&mesg_id=4438194

[bigwillq]

13. It is a big deal.

Congrats to Obama. Might want to turn off the TV. Obama did well. So did Clinton. This is going to be a long fight.

[jenmito]

33. Thank you.

Good advice, but I won't follow it. :D

[skipos]

15. Because we only care about the states that Dukakis won.

Who cares about the others? :shrug:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. umm because maybe ...states don't vote people do...and just NYC's Pop. alone equals 13 states

[jenmito]

40. Um, what is this-the third time you've said this?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

44. New york New York so nice I say it twice

[HughMoran]

20. He was expected to win closer to 14 states, so this was not a surprise

These were the odds the day before the primary.

California was trending toward Obama, so that ended up being kind of a disappointment.

[Barack_America]

29. Expected as of when?

You are saying that his overcoming double-digit deficits in a matter of weeks to win 12 states is a disappointment?

Shit, I'd hate to find out what actually impresses you.

[killbotfactory]

26. Let's face it, Obama is doomed

He has more money, won more delegates, took more states, and we are about to have contests in states that are supposedly favorable to him. He's finished. It's over.

:sarcasm:

[jenmito]

42. Thanks for that...

and when he wins the caucuses this Saturday, let's see how they spin THAT. :hi:

[harun]

45. This is my favorit post of the day, thank you :-) (n/t)

[cutlassmama]

67. Mine too! Ditto. And thanks.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

49. purr-fect

for those cat lovers here.

[whatchamacallit]

64. Ha, no shit huh? It's Clinton-Bizarro-World out there right now. n/t

[Perry Logan]

27. Obama fatigue?

[jenmito]

43. No.

[tabasco]

59. Clinton Loans Campaign $5 Million Of Own Money

Looks more like Hillary fatigue to me.

[alteredstate]

32. It's a big deal. n/t

[cottonseed]

41. In a GE, Obama takes CA, NY hands down.

The midwestern and southern states is what Dems need in the General.

[jenmito]

46. I agree...

and he, unlike Hillary, has support in those red states.

[Little Star]

47. Link Please

[jenmito]

48. To what? Haven't you watched the news at ALL?

[jenmito]

50. Here's a very pro-Hillary article which at least shows my stats to be true:

"He picked up 13 states to Clinton's eight, and he won more pledged delegates."

http://www.slate.com/id/2183819/

[Little Star]

56. Of course I've been watching and reading. However,

She is ahead in the delegate count not Obama. Yes he won more states. New Mexico looks like it may go to her. Try this link:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D

[jenmito]

58. Obama now has 838 delegates to Hillary's 836. Superdelegates don't count.

They can change their minds.

[Little Star]

65. Can you please just give me a link to the actual poll that shows

the numbers you are saying. The poll I showed you does not compute that way. I heard just the opposite of what you say about Obama winning more delegates. I am not being snarky, I just would like to see the actual poll you are quoting from. I believe he won more states but she won more delegates. I may be wrong but would like to see what you are saying for myself. Thanks

[jenmito]

68. Here ya go. Sorry, I was wrong. He's ahead by more than I thought:

"With the delegate count still under way, NBC News said Obama appears to have won around 840 delegates in yesterday’s contests, while Clinton earned about 830 — “give or take a few,” Tim Russert, the network’s Washington bureau chief, said on the “Today” show."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8358.html

[stillcool]

51. I find the refusal by many

to understand that delegates win primary elections very depressing. And the non-stop degradation of a candidate and any public figure that throws there support behind that candidate, is also very troublesome. And these people are Democrats? They talk trash with no respect for anyone but themselves. That is all they add to a conversation...trash. Ugly, Ignorant, arrogant, condescending, bigoted human beings.

[jenmito]

55. So do I.

:hi: