Go ahead and bookmark this thread: Hillary Clinton will drop out on or before

[Joe the Revelator]

March 4th.

There are just too many things working against her right now. Last night was her best shot at putting Obama away, and she failed. Now the calender, the money, and remaining states all work in Obama's favor. It was a good campaign for Hillary, very well fought, but the bartender just signaled last call.

[JVS]

1. I think you're too optimistic.

[Joe the Revelator]

4. I don't. There comes a point in every campaign where the writing is visable on the wall

The fact that in 10 days, Obama was able to close on Hillary EVERYWHERE, and actually win more states then her, is that writing. He has time now to pick off states one by one. There is no clear path for Hillary to take to the nomination.

[Bake]

36. The only campaign where the writing is vis*i*ble on the wall is Romney's.

It's a little premature to call it on the Democratic side.

Bake

[RLS21]

38. McCain Beats Obama in California, New York & PA

It looks like Obama could pull a Gore in the General Election.
He wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college.

If Hillary were smart she'd point this out. McCain would do well with the same constituencies that Hillary beat Obama with in New York and California yesterday. And Swartzenegar would pull out all stops to deliver California for McCain.

The only sure thing for the Dems is if Hillary wins the nomination and Barack is the VP. Then the Dems get 16 years.

[Yael]

48. Source?

Thanks

[tigereye]

54. our system is pretty good at getting Dems elected here in PA

Kerry beat Bush here in 2004, partially due to the efforts of groups like Move-On.

I wouldn't count Obama or Hillary out here, there are a lot of rabid Dems here in Pittsburgh and in Philly.


Do you really think Obama would lose to McCain in Californai in the general election? I think that's unlikely.

[Warren DeMontague]

70. You are out of your mind if you think ANY Republican will win in NY and CA.

Against anyone.

Schwarzenegger can pull any stops he wants- California isn't going to vote for an anti-choice war booster like McCain.

[Recursion]

74. Huh?

McCain would do well with the same constituencies that Hillary beat Obama with in New York and California yesterday.

Errr.. traditional Democrats? No.

[jlake]

Bookmarked.

No way. She will fight to the death.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. "she will fight to the death"

Every passionate supporter thinks this about their candidate. The fact is, she won't embarrass herself for a lost cause. Even Dennis knew when to go home.

[jlake]

14. Dennis wasn't in a 2 way tie.

[LittleClarkie]

2. I'm sick of this crap from both sides. Neither one is dropping out

Both will be in until there is a clear winner.

[Joe the Revelator]

5. Somebody has to at some point. A brokered convention is a pipe dream

It will never go that far.

[Bake]

37. then perhaps it will be your candidate ....

I still think it's premature.

Bake

[maddiejoan]

3. She's in a total death spiral!

[Joe the Revelator]

6. Lets take a look at that graph in 3 days, shall we?

[maddiejoan]

18. yes lets!

I'm looking forward to it!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. Let's

PRINCETON, NJ -- The increase in support for Hillary Clinton at the national level that Gallup saw in interviewing conducted Sunday and Monday continued in interviewing Tuesday night. Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted Feb. 3-5 now includes three consecutive days in which Clinton has done well, giving her a 13-percentage point lead over Barack Obama, 52% to 39%.

Democratic preferences in Tuesday night's interviews -- mostly conducted before Super Tuesday election results were known -- were similar to Sunday and Monday night's interviews. Gallup Poll Daily tracking will not begin to reflect the impact of Tuesday's voting on national Democratic preferences until tomorrow.

Obama had been competitive with Clinton in interviews conducted Feb. 2 (as well as earlier last week), but those interviews have now dropped out of Gallup's continuous three-day rolling average reporting.



In contrast, the nomination preferences of national Republican voters have hardly moved in recent days. As of the Feb. 3-5 Gallup Poll Daily tracking, John McCain leads the Republican field with 41% of the vote, compared with 25% for Mitt Romney and 21% for Mike Huckabee. This is virtually identical to the Gallup Poll Daily tracking figures for the Republican race reported yesterday. In fact, there has been little change in national Republican preferences since Rudy Giuliani exited the race in late January.

Again, these numbers will begin to reflect the results of Super Tuesday voting in tomorrow's average. -- Lydia Saad





http://www.gallup.com/Email/?key=lh0n2NX0BBv%40I1Y2YH6yVwaa

[russian33]

with numbers like these, she should just drop out now

why even bother..i mean what if the numbers just keep going up? what then?

[maddiejoan]

23. If she hits 60%

she's done.

[rodeodance]

56. well, if use 'logic' of IP--then Obama would be the dropper outer!

i mean what if the numbers just keep going up? what then?

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. OMG!!!11!!11!! That looks SERIES!!111!!!!111 NO ONE SUPPORTS HER!!11!!!111!!!1

:eyes:

[angie_love]

29. you can't spell much can you?

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. It's freeper talk....it's how the MORANS talk!!1!1!!! and type.

I:rofl::rofl:

[Bake]

45. Be kind, now ... Angie's only been here a couple of weeks ...

Can't expect her to pick up on the jargon here and still get her post count pumped up at the same time!

:rofl:

Bake

[angie_love]

59. wow what an insult, you really got me with that one! LOL

[Bake]

64. You're too much of a total newbie to get it.

But stick around. If you don't get TS'ed, you'll come to understand.

Bake

[angie_love]

72. LOL whatever you say bub

Those "newbie" insults are so stinging!

[Bake]

73. 500 posts in a couple of weeks time?

I'd say stick around (OK, actually I DID say stick around), but I've got a hunch that you'll be gone after the primaries. I just wonder what you people do for a living, to have time to post that much on an internet message board.

Bake

[angie_love]

77. God you must care so much as to have time to read my profile and all

stalker much?

[in_cog_ni_to]

81. I know. Poor little Angie just likes to send NASTY PMs to people....because she can't handle the

TRUTH about her candidate. She has to be 8-9 years old. She sure acts like it, so I can't expect her to pick up on much of anything, actually....her brain isn't fully developed.

[angie_love]

58. and apparently its how you talk too

[Bake]

65. It's a long-time inside joke among DUers.

Terms like "moran," "HUGH!!!!1!!!," "SERIES!!!!111!!!". It's a way of making fun of freepers (who, if you are unaware, are the denizens of FreeRepublic.com).

It's like people who know all the jokes, and then laugh when somebody mentions the punch line.

Bake

[Alamom]

33. You forgot, it's HUGH !!!!1111!!!!. nm

[Bluebear]

24. SHE'S COOKED!!!!!1111

[Bake]

41. OMG!!!!! We're DOOMED! DOOMED, I tell you!

Yeah, she should definitely go ahead and drop out. Nowhere for those numbers to go but down ...

:eyes:

Bake

[adabfree]

7. I sent Obama $500 yesterday...sending more

Gotta pile on now..

He's going to raise mega money in February too

[bigdarryl]

8. She's got NINE FUCKING LIVES!!!!!

Don't count her out

[Joe the Revelator]

15. Thats why I'm giving her until March. She's on life number 8 right now

This month should be the knockout shot.

[maddiejoan]

16. and she's only on the second one.

[FogerRox]

46. She has boron impregnated carbon fiber tubing with silicon hydraulic fluid powered

motors that control her movement.




Hillary Joins Borg Collective

WASHINGTON (CAP) - The campaign of Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton announced today that the candidate has joined a Borg collective. The announcement confirms rumors that have been circulating since pictures showing Clinton as a Borg began appearing two weeks ago.

"A vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton is a vote for the collective," said Clinton spokeswoman Marcia St. John from Clinton's new big square campaign headquarters in New York City. "You're not just getting one mind with Hillary, you're getting a whole bunch of them, able to embrace all aspects of an issue simultaneously. Eat that, Barack."

http://www.crystalair.com/content.php?id=63200711017

[still_one]

9. Even if true it wouldn't happen. I am an Obama supporter, and realize this is too close to call

both candidates are in too deep to step out

Edwards delegates will become much more critical, the remaining states will be critical, and the super delegates will be critical

Too many variables my friend, this is going all the way to the Convention unfortunately

[Warren DeMontague]

10. Doubtful. Highly doubtful.

Look, we've got a real fuckin' nail-biter of a race right now. I don't know how it's going to turn out, no one does. Neither candidate is finished, done, out or whatever.

We're seeing something we haven't seen in a long time- a real close race for the nomination, which could go all the way to the convention.

[Joe the Revelator]

17. Its really not that close. He closed a gap in every state in TEN days

Thats not clear to you?

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Who, precisely, are you trying to convince- and why? ...We'll see what happens.

What is "clear to me" is that as it stands now, we have, essentially, a tie.

To expect that either of them is going to drop out is just fucking silly.

[zabet]

35. He closed that gap being carried by people

that endorsed him so close to Super Tuesday.
Even the Kenneday dynasty could not win it for
him, that should say something.

[northzax]

53. nope

doesn't mean all that much. it looks impressive, but ten days ago, those states weren't paying any attention at all. closing of the gap was inevitable, it happens with EVERY election that has any meaning at all.

[Pirate Smile]

13. Stop, please. Almost every conventional wisdom theory has been proven wrong

and this one will probably get dumped on the rest of the heap.

It isn't even close to being over. Overconfidence is a killer. Stay in underdog mode.

[Mme. Defarge]

19. I'm no Hillary fan

but she IS a fighter. She's not giving up.

[bvar22]

76. Fighter ? ...I don't think so.

Hillary HAS proved she can take a punch (and I respect that), but what has she ever really FOUGHT FOR?
Better yet, what has she FOUGHT FOR and WON?

There have been several good dog fights in the Senate over the last 7 years.
I don't remember Hillary ever getting dirty.

Especially memorable were the fights against seating Alito and Roberts, and , of course, the IWR where 21 Democrats STOOD UP and challenged the Bush administration.
Hillary was a NO SHOW.

Where has she EVER proved she is a "fighter"?
This is a popular campaign myth without a basis in reality.

[Barack_America]

20. No she won't.

Besides, I'm looking forward to having Obama all to myself (in PA) for most of March and April! ;)

[Guava Jelly]

21. I doubt it

She is a strong candidate with a base that loves her..
She may not win but I don't see her dropping out unless Obama gets the magic number.

[karlrschneider]

79. If Obama gets the magic number,

he'll smoke it.
:rofl:

[Tennessee Gal]

22. A very foolish post.

Kind of like the morons posting here today who were saying Hillary could not break the Gallup 48% ceiling.

Makes me want to laugh.

:rofl:

[Big Blue Marble]

26. I think she will do everything to stay in at least until the March 4th primaries.

If she has to continue to spend much more of her own money by then she may consider it
if she is losing. Otherwise expect her to fight until the last dog dies even if that dog is the
Democratic Party.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

27. Todays gallop, 52 Hillary 39 Obama...The trend is reversed!

[DUyellow]

43. looks like the poll is a little off, those numbers were before the vote yesturday. results..

[Joe the Revelator]

28. Hillary is fitting the pattern of a candidate in the terminal stages of her campaign

Loaning herself money, begging for extra debates, losing more states on super tuesday, all of these things mean something. Do you're homework on past primary's and general elections, and see what these signs point to 99% of the time.

[maddiejoan]

32. She's in the last throes of her insurgency as it were.

:rofl:

[starroute]

50. If you go into a store and there are gaps on the shelves...

...it generally means that store is in trouble, because it's starting to have problems paying its suppliers. And once the shelves thin out, so do the customers. The store may not go under immediately, but it's on a downward trend than can easily turn into a death spiral.

I won't say Hillary is precisely there yet, but I'm starting to get the whiff of gaps on the shelves about her campaign. Loaning herself $5 million, pressing for debates every week so she won't have to spend extra pennies on advertising ... those are the same things shopkeepers do when they're feeling under pressure.

I think the next two weeks will tell a lot -- and you'll see it in the money more than anywhere. How much comes in, where it goes out, and whether there are hints that the Clinton campaign is trying to cut corners. All those things will be very telling.

[angie_love]

30. I don't know about that

Hillary will do anything to win and I mean anything, don't even count out cheating, I say it goes to the convention. At least till Ohio and Texas, why would she drop out before 2 states favored for her?

[loveangelc]

31. lol, doubt it.

[Sir Jeffrey]

39. The earliest she drops out is March 5th nt

[orleans]

40. i'm not worried--or concerned. i know the superdelegates will

decide this contest for us.

(blah!)

[K Gardner]

42. Don't agree. She has too many tricks, dirty or otherwise, left to play.

[kimmerspixelated]

51. I agree.

She will never give up. She has no intention of losing! Even if the NYT prints the scandal thing about Bill's ongoing penal involvement- the recent stuff-, the rethugs will nail her over that! But she is tough, I'll give her that! She's like the unmeltable wicked witch.

[NoBorders]

44. Man, you just jinxed us

bad move.

[rodeodance]

57. you give the conjured up fantacy of the IP too much power--te he.

[okasha]

47. At least you're consistent.

You've been predicting/demanding Hillary drop out since Iowa.

It'd make things so much easier for your fella, now wouldn't it? Geez, talk about feelings of entitlement . . .!

[donheld]

49. Bookmarked

stupid!

[tigereye]

52. hmm, I think it's highly unlikely that she will drop out -

does she seem like the kind of candidate/person who would do that?

Why would she? :shrug:

[rodeodance]

55. oh--your post gave me good laugh--crystall ball post as I call them.

[Nimrod2005]

60. In addition, Super Delegates are switching as we speak!

[ShadowLiberal]

61. Unfortunately until TX & OH vote I don't see it

I just don't see Hillary getting out at least until the next two big states vote.

I do think however that if Obama starts winning most or all of the next states that vote that she's gonna be under a lot of pressure to drop out of the race, because the longer the primary battle goes on the more it damages our chances of taking the White House in 08 with either of them on our ballot.

[BigDDem]

62. Brilliant post!

Yes, winning California was the last nail in her coffin!!

:rofl:

Maybe she can get some Kennedys on board to help with the
sinking ship!

:rofl:

[Joe the Revelator]

63. Losing 13/21 states that she had huge leads in 10 days ago....

was the first nail in her coffin. Seeing her money dry up will be the last.


But by all means, keep whistling past the graveyard.

[BigDDem]

69. I'll check back in with ya "on or before" March 4, in the meantime

Go Oprah, Go Ted, Go Maria, Go Master P!

[Auntie Bush]

66. Don't you wish! Keep spinning away if it makes you happy or gives you comfort.!

A good pacifier would do the same thing. Maybe you should look into buying one. Maybe I could send you one of my 2 year old granddaughter's because she's outgrown them.

[IsItJustMe]

68. Spin on my friend, spin on. This thing is probably gonna be the closest race we have seen in years

for the Democratic nomination. That's what me gut tells me anyway. Time will tell.

[DemGa]

71. Sorry, CA, NJ, NY, MASS, MI, FLA: it's over for the Obamacrats

Gotta pull the BIG BLUE STATES:

The Obama Party can't do it. It's over Obamacrats.

[Recursion]

75. No, it would only be *AFTER* March 4

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/primaries/republicanprimaries/index.html

That explains why.

Between now and March 4 we have LA, WA, DC, MD, VA, WI. These will probably go for Obama but she can keep off the bleeding by good showings.

But March 4th becomes the new Super Tuesday, because it's got the two biggest states left: TX and OH, and after 2004 the Democratic party will chew glass to win Ohio.

[karlrschneider]

78. HAHAHAHAHA...oh man are YOU ever full of shit.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[PresidentObama]

80. Why would she? Last night was a tie, and she'll raise the money.

Things may be tough, but she will.

[MoonRiver]

82. bull shit

[meow mix]

83. yup, grats on a strong campaign, looking forward to a hillary VP

good job!!