Is Obama's positon of "NO" impeachment for Bush/Cheney a sign of things to come from Obama?

[avaistheone1]

"I think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breeches, and intentional breeches of the president's authority," he said.

"I believe if we began impeachment proceedings we will be engulfed in more of the politics that has made Washington dysfunction," he added. "We would once again, rather than attending to the people's business, be engaged in a tit-for-tat, back-and-forth, nonstop circus."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/28/america/NA-POL-US-Obama-No-Impeachment.php



Let's see... a president and a vp who lied us into war, wrote hundreds of illegal signing statements on bills, spy on the American people, and approve torture are not grave and intentional breeches???!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama, how can you be a constitutional scholar and have such an outrageous and ignorant opinion?

Beware of Obama. The new boss is the same as the old boss.

[ananda]

1. Sometimes..

I think Obama might as well be a Reep.

At least HoJoe stands behind McCain.

[ursi]

2. hello! isn't it pointless now anyways? the fuckers will finish the year out in 10 months

...and Congress has never been able to stop them from doing anything.

[Uben]

14. If they were impeached

No retirement money, no secret service details, no speech circuit (although I don't see Bush making any anyway)

The most important one, is no secret service protection. That would save the country millions of dollars, and put his life in extreme peril after what he has done, IMO.

[sueh]

19. Bill Clinton was impeached...

and he's lost his secret service protection??

[Uben]

23. excuse me

thats if they are impeached and convicted. Clinton was impeached, not convicted.

[cali]

28. and you actually think they'd be convicted in the Senate?

Not. A. Chance.

[Uben]

31. No Cali, I don't

...but a fellow can dream!

[Mme. Defarge]

3. Merde!

[Benhurst]

4. Defending the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is the people's

business.

[avaistheone1]

11. Actually, the president takes an oath to defend the Constitution

and the penalty when the president does not do so is impeachment. Impeachment is clearly stated as the proper remedy over a dozen times in the Constitution.

[Benhurst]

15. Yeah, but that oath isn't important.

Obama and the boys have more important things to do, at least according to him.

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. Of course it is. He's not going to do jack shit to his freeper buddies....except play kissy face and

embrace them. All their crimes will go unpunished.

[Alexander]

7. And Hillary will? You must be huffing some whack shit there.

If anyone is more anti-impeachment than Obama, it's Hillary Clinton.

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. If ANYONE has a reason to investigate these CRIMINALS, it's Hillary Clinton. My money would be on

her before Mr. Come together with repukes and sing Kumbaua.:eyes:

[avaistheone1]

24. You're probably wrong on that one: Obama Forces Scuttle Bush Cheney Impeachment Drive

Obama Forces Scuttle Bush Cheney Impeachment Drive
Obama Candidacy Means No Impeachment Of Bush-Cheney

By Webster Tarpley
2-5-8

Wondering why Congressman Kucinich has withdrawn his impeachment resolution against Cheney, and
dropped out of impeachment in general? Wondering why the Los Angeles impeachment center has
decided to liquidate itself and shut down? Wondering why impeachment meetups across the US are
folding? Wondering why so many left-liberal spokesmen are dropping the impeachment issue like a
hot potato?

All signs suggest that the demagogic needs of the Obama presidential campaign provide the
answer. Impeachment is being sabotaged by left-wing Democrats now moving to support Obama so as
to spare the messianic Illinois senator the political embarrassment of having to comment on a
serious impeachment effort, which his craven rejection of political struggle makes a taboo. In
effect, Obama's phobia against impeachment is even stronger than Hillary's.

As is well known, Obama's fatuous utopian rhetoric promises a golden age and earthly paradise
of political harmony in which all real conflicts will be magically neutralized and submerged by
the senator's personal charisma. Above all, partisan political clashes will be forbidden. Well,
the impeachment of Bush-Cheney is a vital necessity for the future survival of representative
government in this country, but carrying it out will necessarily be a rather acrimonious and
partisan business. Obama cannot tolerate such a messy process, which might interfere with his
ability to float like a seraph above the ignorant armies who clash by night. Struggle in any
form is not part of Obama's playbook; it might upset Goldman Sachs, Soros, and his other Wall
Street contributors ¬ to say nothing of the fussy independent voters upon whom Obama's future
rests. It might not play well in the wealthy suburbs. It might spoil his carefully cultivated
apolitical, post-partisan image.

Therefore, it is clear, the word has gone out to Obama's leftist backers: impeachment must be
dumped, betrayed, sandbagged, and sabotaged without further ado. That is what is now happening.
Congressman Kucinich shocked his supporters by telling them to support Obama on the second
go-round in the Iowa caucuses. Now he has dropped out of the race and abandoned his own
signature issue.

Every vote for Obama is a vote to take impeachment off the agenda ¬ forever. Obama supporters
should get ready to live with those Bush-Cheney precedents, signing statements, and practices
of entrenched totalitarian corruption for the rest of their lives. If Obama wins the day, there
will be no question of impeachment, the only way to wipe the slate clean of all the Bush-Cheney
obscenities. Obama and impeachment are incompatible. Impeachment supporters should dump the
Illinois senator ¬ the cause of impeachment is far more important than the vapid slogans dished
up by Zbigniew Brzezinski's puppet Obama.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.news-media/browse_th...

[blogslut]

6. And Hillary demanded impeachment when?

hmmm?

[Alexander]

8. *crickets*

Still waiting for the answer...

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Hmmm.....when did Barack call for Impeachment? He's been in office long enough. n/t

[blogslut]

20. And so has Hillary

Longer, as she so often tells us. Where is her demand for impeachment? Hmmm?

[TheDonkey]

22. *cough* .....

[VolcanoJen]

9. I disagree with both Obama and Clinton on impeachment.

Hillary: 'No Appetite' for Bush Impeachment

[avaistheone1]

21. In the article Hillary does Not say she is opposed to impeachment - she says Congress is opposed...

Clinton said there does not appear to be the "appetite or support" in Congress to try to impeach Bush, but "we're going to have to reform the government and these unqualified cronies."

[VolcanoJen]

27. Well, of course she doesn't!

She's parsing her words. To come out against impeachment, to actually say, "I have no appetite for impeachment" would, well, open up a big can of worms, considering the uncomfortable history.

Clinton answers the impeachment question about as well as she answers the IWR question.

[magatte]

10. He says you can change things by going after REAL problems, not just show of force...

What do you gain by impeaching Bush this year. That you wont gain by having a strong progressive majority out of the elections?

[avaistheone1]

18. The prez and vp lying us into war, writing hundreds of illegal signing statements on bills

spying on the American people and approving torture are not REAL problems???

Thanks for correction. NOT!

So WHAT then is a REAL problem?



:wtf: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[Thrill]

12. Yeah because running around talking about Impreachment

is going to send a sign of change. And wanting to work to get things done. Do people realize we're trying to actually win in November?

[orleans]

13. that is so sad (and maddening!)

too bad our two candidates can't be better than they are.

and i really mean that--they are good in so many ways--it's too bad they just can't go that extra mile and really do the right thing by the people of this country.

[FrenchieCat]

25. YO!

Conyers and Wextler both support Obama! (hint!) :)

[avaistheone1]

29. Hint?? What hint?

What are you saying?

[Marie26]

26. It's not unifying

Probably investigation or accountability after Bushco is gone wouldn't be "unifying" either. IMO that's one of the reason Republicans are hoping Obama wins.

[gravity]

30. Impeachment will divide the nation

It is a counterproductive thing to do at this point.

I hate to say this, but you have to forgive what Bush has done and move on if you are going to move this country forward.

[Vinca]

32. What does Hillary say? If she's gungho to impeach and convinces

Nancy to get things going, I'll consider changing my vote.