scheming daemons
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:52 PM
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Donna Brazile, a superdelegate, says..... |
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"...if 795 of my colleagues and I decide this election against the will of the pledged delegates, then I am done with the Democratic party. I feel that strongly about this."
She is currently an "uncommitted" superdelegate.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:53 PM
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:53 PM
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2. I heard her - good call! |
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This should be decided by US, not insiders.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:55 PM
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3. It's starting to look like Democracy, unless of course the... |
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super delagates get to pick.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:55 PM
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4. If they decide like the Supremes in 2000, I am done with dems |
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If they decide against the wish of the voters, they can forget about money from me, I will become an independent. I am tired of hearing that so and so is above the law or privileged and the rules don't apply to him.
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:56 PM
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5. Donna, I for one would not want you --take a hike. |
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:06 PM
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14. Interesting sentiment, considering she's a Hillary supporter... |
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...she just has kept herself uncommitted until the convention.
You Hillbots really do eat your own.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:20 PM
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17. Where have you been?--Hill supporter? not from what I have heard from here mouth. |
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:20 PM
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19. Donna Brazile is a Clinton supporter? |
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Do you just make it up as you go along?
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:58 PM
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6. I suspect that is how most, if not all, feel... |
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after all, Democrats tend to believe in representative democracy.
And, of course, what kind of attacks would be levied against the nominee by the Republicans if they won contrary to the votes of the people? Can you imagine Hillary or Obama getting bludgeoned to death for that?
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Wed Feb-06-08 04:59 PM
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7. Good for Brazile for speaking up for the people! |
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:45 PM
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25. Hmmm... lo these many years later she finally shows some backbone? |
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Seeya, donna.
Her milquetoast management of Gore's campaign set him up to get robbed by the bush machine. She counseled him to "rise above it," NOT hit back, NOT try to build on the Clinton/Gore record (OTHER than Monica), and it cost him - and all of us. She's NO fighter and NO help whatsoever. Even if she had a good point to make, I'd give it a lot more credibility if it came out of someone else's mouth.
Maybe she should go back to being the "token" liberal seated on all those media panels of talking heads - in which there's a republi-CON, a CONservative from some GOP think tank, a reporter from some CONservative newspaper, and good ol' donna - bending over backwards to find all kinds of ways to agree with the other three on the panel. I watched one of those a few years ago and damned near tore my hair out.
SAME THING, btw, for that weasel michael o'hanlon of the Brookings Institution - which for awhile was the ONLY "liberal" think tank out there from which to draw talking heads for TV shows. And he, too, breaks his back trying to bend over and find ways to accommodate and agree with the bad guys.
Weasels like them we do NOT need. All they do is weaken our case (and our resolve), and muddy the waters about who stands for what?
donna lost me a LONG time ago. Her take on things and a dime will get you six minutes on a parking meter. And that's about it.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:02 PM
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8. Hillary can forget winning with supers. It will permanently rip apart the party. |
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Can you imagine the outrage if the will of the voters is overridden by party officials? The party will be in tatters. Losing in November will just be the beginning.
That's why it will never happen because the party elders won't allow it. They will abandon the Clintons in droves.
I was very surprised to hear Donna say that so strongly. I'm unsure, but I thought she was supporting Hillary. Good for her.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:04 PM
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10. For once I agree with her |
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:04 PM
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12. Good for her no matter who is ahead on the pledged side... |
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:14 PM
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15. "then I am done with the Democratic party....." |
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Newsflash! I believe Donna Brazile is an RNC mole.
As his Campaign Manager, I think she sabotaged Al Gore's 2000 Election Campaign. She's good friends with Karl Rove. And when it comes to defending the Democratic party at any round table, she is an absolute failure!
Donna Brazile was finished with the Democratic Party a long time ago!
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:20 PM
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20. Brazile's credibility is tarnished in my eyes. |
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Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 05:24 PM by philly_bob
Somewhat like Terry McAuliffe, Nancy Pelosi, James Carville, Joe Lieberman and some other Democrats I could name.
I'll make my own judgments about what democracy means, Donna.
I don't think she's an RNC mole, however. (Although I didn't know she was friends with Rove.)
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:23 PM
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21. Nice attempt to distract us with an unrelated an unsubstantiated issue... |
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That is more in the style of Karl Rove...
Though I disagree with her on many other issues, it cannot really be argued that if we really want to be a party espousing democratic principles with a small D, that the superdelegates should NOT override the votes of the pledged delegates unless there is a VERY good reason for doing so (aka the nominee is found to have committed a crime after the earlier primaries, etc.). To do it in partisan style as would be the case if "Hillary superdelegates" might do with voting her in despite her having less pledged delegates than Obama would really rankle the voters!
Whether or not she's a mole, and that remains to be decided, that is not the issue discussed in this thread, and shouldn't have any bearing on the legitimacy of her statement.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:19 PM
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16. Let's hope that this is a common decision among superdelegates |
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They have the potential to fracture the party.
Most of us are willing to support either one, but are playing the political game for our favorite primary candidates...and as it should be.
I don't buy this bs on the news about the party being fractured and the republicans unified. The only threat to unity are those superdelegates. let the people speak. The republicans are the party eating themselves alive. The base can't stand their front runner and that's hilarious.
We have two awesome candidates, despite me having thrown up in my mouth a little bit when I think about the possibility of another 8 years of a political dynasty. Since 1980 I've known nothing but a bush or a clinton. Reagan is really just a distant personal memory, mostly of my parents utter dismay at his popularity...something about "that murderer with dementia". I want new political memories.
But I can wait if I must. But I desire them now. So I voted for Obama and will vote for Clinton if I have too.
I hope Danna Brazile is emblematic of the rest of the superdelegates. We want the voice. You can have your's too, just go to the polls like the rest of us. And remember you get two votes. One for yourself and one for us.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:20 PM
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18. I admire her position on that. |
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I admire it and agree with it.
I too will be done with the Democratic party if that happens. I prefer to be with a party who represents "the people".
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:25 PM
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22. And if you believe her, I have a line of bridges for sale, n/t |
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:27 PM
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23. I really hope it does not come to that. The party will be break apart. |
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and with the looks of the rethuglicans they might not hold together either. We may very well see both parties fracture.
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Wed Feb-06-08 05:35 PM
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24. Bob Menendez bombed this quiz yesterday |
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I lost a lot of the good will I had for him, too.
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