If you want Florida and Michigan to count...

[themaguffin]

If you want those two states to have a voice, contact the state reps and also the DNC to set up LEGITIMATE contests. Using the illegitimate contest results would wrong to those who did not participate in a contest that they were told would not count. It would be a slap to every state who abided by the rules that all of the states agreed to and would set a horrible precedent.

As is, the illegitimate contests absolutely should not be counted as legitimate.

[K Gardner]

1. Agreed, but is your last sentence worded correctly?

[themaguffin]

2. thanks

[UALRBSofL]

3. I've already called Senator Nelson's office

And I've decided to call all the major newspapers here in florida to see if they will run articles about it to hopefully get the democrats in florida involved to see if we can pressure DNC to let our delegates count.

[sabbat hunter]

5. no

the votes that took place in Michigan and Florida were illegal under party rules that both Florida and Michigan had agreed to. If they want delagates at the DNC in august, then schedule new votes that accord with the party rules.

Do not count the delegates as is, as that is blatantly unfair to the candidates who pulled out of Michigan, and those who did not campaign in Florida.

[themaguffin]

9. the contest was not legitimate, again the ONLY way for

delegates to count is to have legitimate contests.

[Dems Will Win]

4. If they seat those delegations and they give Hillary the nomination, there will be riots

Denver will make Chicago 68 look like a picnic. The youth will revolt and will tear the convention center down to the ground with their bare hands.

:scared:

I like the idea of legitimate contests, however, but it is way TOO LATE for that.

[themaguffin]

10. My point is the only way for the delegates to count, is to have new legitimate contests

[papau]

6. no one participated more than the others except Obama in Florida with the cable ad - we should use

the results that occurred.

Uncommitted had the Obama campaign push in Michigan - and I am sure he will get their votes.

[themaguffin]

11. He did not run a cable ad in Florida. Please stop that bullshit

[UALRBSofL]

15. Well, it looked like Obama running ads on my TV

And he ran them for 2 weeks before our primary here in florida.

[themaguffin]

17. Any cable spots you saw, were national not local

The antics of Florida can't shutdown the rest of the country.

[papau]

49. LOL :-)

[Hippo_Tron]

7. IMO I think a good compromise would be Florida gets seated, Michigan does not

I know that is highly unfair to Michigan but I think the fact that Edwards and Obama's names weren't even on the ballot in Michigan makes it highly unfair to Obama. I think it's unfair to tell candidates that they should pull their names off the ballot on the premise that their delegates will not count and then count their delegates.

As far as Florida goes, while they all refrained from campaigning there on the false premise that delegates wouldn't count, at least Obama and Edwards' names were on the ballot. I think it would be more fair if Florida got seated.

[UALRBSofL]

8. All the delegates were on the ballot

None were allowed to take there name off. I'm glad Nelson set it up that way.

[themaguffin]

12. but not everyone voted who would under normal legitimate circumstances

it's absurd to even consider counting such a contest. Why not count a USAToday online poll too?

[Maribelle]

18. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. It was an historical turnout.

Please try learning the facts.

[themaguffin]

21. Not everyone voted as would have if the voters had KNOWN their voe would count

Seriously get your facts straight.

[Maribelle]

24. Every voter received a notification via mail that their votes would count. The governor was on ...

each local station saying their votes would count.

Booths were set up everywhere telling voters their votes would count.

You are hateful to even attempt to suggest Floridians did anything illegitimate, when it is only through your own lack of knowledge that you cannont comprehend the difference between voting in an election and delegates.

[themaguffin]

29. Please read what I wrote

I didn't state that Floridians did anything wrong. I am saying that the contest is not valid because it wasn't As such people not everyone voted who would have. Period.

I suggested a fair way to make it right and I get this bullshit in return.

[Maribelle]

31. You did too. "the illegitimate contests" Nothing was illegitimate.

Accussing Floridians of doing something illegimate is hateful. You owe Floridians an apology.

You are far from fair. You are totally unfair and hateful.

That the bullshit you're getting in return is what you spit into the wind. Stop spitting it if you don't want it to return.

[themaguffin]

32. No I didn't. I offered a fair way forward to make up for Florida's bad judgement to break the rules

[Maribelle]

35. Accusing Florida of having illegitimate contests is not hardly fair.

You should backtrack on this hate pomp of yours.

[Mojorabbit]

50. I live in fl and I say no

I know too many people who did not vote believing it would not count. Have a caucus or redo the vote but I will be major pissed if they seat those delegates. I don't care who wins it. I want it done right.

[Maribelle]

13. There is nothing illegitimate that happened in the Florida primary. Stop the hate.

Stop bashing 1.5 million registered democrats. Stop it.

This hate of democrats on democrats has to stop.

Try to education yourself in the difference between votes and delegates.

[themaguffin]

14. Absolutely everything about it was illegitmate. Stop the distortion

It's like counting a preseason game. Not everyone showed up. It's reality deal with it.

[Maribelle]

16. Please. You truly have your facts screwed up.

Votes have not been counted towards delegates in Florida.

There were other issues on the ballot.

Each vote mattered - - they were legitimate - - they were valid.

It's bad enough your pumping out hate accusing folks of doing illigatmate things when they are innocent. It is ten times worse when you don't know the facts.

[newmajority]

19. The DLC in Florida and Michigan deliberately broke the party rules

Because BushClintons, and those who serve them, don't believe rules apply to THEM.

The other issues on the ballot, whatever they may be, are relevant to the local voters, but the Presidential primary was invalid.

[themaguffin]

20. No I don't

"Votes have not been counted towards delegates in Florida"

I did not say that they had been. I was responding to those who advocate that they should be.

"There were other issues on the ballot."

And that's relevant how?

"Each vote mattered - - they were legitimate - - they were valid. "

You still don't comprehend what happened.

The state agreed with the DNC's rules and schedule, but then went ahead and broke the rules.

Not everyone is going to participate in a glorified magazine poll. To include the results from those circumstances would be incredibly wrong as many who would have voted in a valid contest, did not under the circumstances of the time. Additionally it would be a slap in the face to every other state would like to have voted earlier but followed the rules that they had agreed to. The precedent would be horrible.

[Maribelle]

22. "the illegitimate contests " is what YOU said. Nothing was illegitimate.

Falsely accusing ANYONE of doing something illegitimate is wrong and it is hateful.

That you falsely accuse 1.5 million democrats of doing something illegitmate is hateful.

[themaguffin]

25. Not everyone voted as would have if the voters had KNOWN their voe would count

to change the rules now would disenfranchise those who didn't participate to the unsanctioned election. It's absolutely wrong and you know it.

Wrongful and hateful indeed.

"That you falsely accuse 1.5 million democrats of doing something illegitmate is hateful."

That's not what I said and is an illogical, irrelevant point.


Please keep reading until you grasp that people did not vote who would have voted had they known that it was a sanctioned election.

[Maribelle]

27. You are wrong. Totally wrong. You owe the voters of Florida an apology.

Nothing has been done illegitimately.

[themaguffin]

30. No I suggested a way to make this right. You owe everyone an apology

for supporting the breaking of significant rules - now you want a contest to count where some people did not vote because they knew the state's antics caused the election to not be sanctioned.

That makes the results not legitimate.

[Maribelle]

33. I do not support the braking of rules. You should try finding out the truth before you slander

You truly do not know what is happening in Florida. GIVE IT UP.

[themaguffin]

34. Yes, you obviously do. I offered a positive suggestion and you offer a sleazy tactic

[Maribelle]

36. I offered no tactics. I said your hateful pomp regarding anything illegitimate was wrong.

And falsely accusing me of wanting to break laws on top on your previous hate pomp is merely digging your hole deeper.

[themaguffin]

38. Under the circumstances they are illegitimate contests. It's a fact, not an opinion

You really don't care that people did not vote because they knew the circumstances would have made their vote not count, but they obviously would have voted otherwise. Seriously?

[Maribelle]

40. If your so called "illegitimate contests" are a fact, prove it. Otherwise apologize .

You cannot even offer one tiny morsle of proof that anything was done illegitimate. Go to the DNC. Get you freakin facts straight.

Then apologize to all those you have falsely accused of doing anything illegitimate. This is truly shameful, and should not be tolorated.

[themaguffin]

42. Are you saying that the states did not agree to the DNC's rule and schedule?

Are you saying that despite agreeing to the rules, that those two states violated the rules anyway? Are you suggesting that under those circumstance the elections that were held would be similar to one where rules weren’t violated and voters knew that their vote would mean representation?

Are you that clueless, are do you think that everyone else is?

[Maribelle]

44. This is throughly documented at the DNC site. Go get your facts straight.

Then apologize to Floridians for accusing them of "illigitimate contests". This hate has got to stop.

amen

[rucky]

23. This is an appeal to anybody with a basic sense of fairness...

no matter who you support.

[themaguffin]

26. Yes. It's the only way for the party to make it right and fair

[kid a]

28. ...

[Maribelle]

37. "the illegitimate contests " There has been nothing done illegitimately.

[themaguffin]

39. Keep rereading until you comprehend it

[Maribelle]

41. No- - you go to the DNC site and get your facts straight.

You have falsely accused Floridians of doing something illegitimate and the burden of proof is up to you.

A brave hero that accuses other of doing something illegitimate should at least be able to get the facts - - and then post them here.

[RockaFowler]

43. themaguffin You are wrong

I am going to respond to all of your lies regarding Florida. Why?? Because I live here!

We had a very important ammendment on our ballot on January 29th. It was a yes/no vote to double the homestead exemption. Because people in this state wanted to do something about taxes, they voted for the ammendment. At the same time, those of us that are Democrats had a decision to vote for who we wanted as our nominee. The Democrats in Florida voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton. Every Democrat was on the ballot - from Biden to Richardson, even though they all dropped out before the 29th. More Democrats voted than Republicans. Those votes should count. No matter who won (and I think this would not be going around right now if Obama would have won Florida - but he didn't).

And yes, there was an ad on TV for Obama. Yes, it was on in Florida. Yes, that is a violation. But, because it was a nationwide ad (something he did calculated in my opinion), there was no violation. Why did he buy an ad the week of the Florida Primary if he didn't want it to air in Florida?????????

I'll say it again - please let the votes count in Florida . . . we deserve it after all we have been through all these years.

[themaguffin]

45. the circumstances were not that of a sanctioned election. I offered a fair option

I think that Michigan and Florida should have contests, but ones where everyone knows that it will count, not one where some stay at home because of the whole DNC thing.

And again, Obama did not buy spots in Florida - period. You are wrong to suggest that.

He has purchased time in other states and nationally, but not Florida.

[RockaFowler]

48. It was a sanctioned election

The Democratic Party in Florida sanctioned it - the DNC didn't want candidates to campaign there. So, they didn't. Oh yeah, except that little ad from Obama. And don't tell me that didn't count - because it aired here. I saw it! He may not have bought commercials on the local stations, but the ad appeared on CNN nationwide, which includes Florida. But I guess we don't really count down here.

Everyone who voted thought their vote would count. Did you see the amount of people who turned out to vote?? No, you just said that we only voted because it didn't count?!?!? Huh???

[Blarch]

46. Jeeeesh.

In order to count them, we would need to hold another vote in these states.

No thanks...maybe next time.

[TexasObserver]

47. Agreed. Caucuses as required by the DNC at the time set.

They can get on board, or stay home.