So let me get this straight, BO can win the majority of the delegates from the states, and still

[IsItJustMe]

loose because of these undemocratically (appointed) elected super delegates?

Hillary Clinton
Pledged: 625
Superdelegates: 193
Total: 818

Barack Obama
Pledged: 624
Superdelegates: 106
Total: 730

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/

From my understanding of this, BO and HRC are tied, except for these damn super delegats.

I will take BO or HRC, but this shit just sucks.

[IndieLeft]

1. That's right.

How is that for democracy? And where are all those people who told me that the super delegates don't matter? Huh? Where are you now?

I swear... If this is how our candidate is chosen... I they win our vote and lose... I'm done with this whole damn process.

[Pirate Smile]

2. There would be a revolt. Donna Brazile just said on CNN that she would quit the party if they

let the super delegates decide the race against the wishes of the pledged delegates.

I don't think she would be alone. There would be hell to pay.


(I know this will probably be followed by Donna Brazile bashing but I think she made a good a point)

[NoPasaran]

7. Bash? No, I'd be a gentleman about the thing

If Donna Brazile wants to leave, I would hold the door open and make sure it did not close until her ass had gotten a safe distance away.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

8. But I thought we had to follow the DNC rules without question!

[rinsd]

16. Zing!

[IsItJustMe]

9. I always thought this election process had some hockus pockus in it, and this is the first year that

I really sat down and tried to figure it out. I have to quite now before I loose my mind. This is worse than watching sausage being made.

I am sure there are brain washed people that would tell me, 'Yeah, it isn't perfect, but look around the world, it's the best it can be'.


It just can't be so.

[juajen]

20. I believe I read a post earlier today where a Hillary voter

called Ted Kennedy's office, with a complaint that Kennedy had pledged to Obama without regard for the wishes of the people in his state. Someone hung up on her. So, it's ok for Kennedy to throw his support where he likes, but other super delegates cannot do the same. This also applies to John Kerry. Mass went for Hillary bigtime. Perhaps we should expect a shift of Senators Kennedy and Kerry into the Clinton camp?

[sunonmars]

3. You were not saying that when Obama was using SD endorsements for his publicity.

[Barack_America]

6. Describe? n/t

[rinsd]

10. Ted Kennedy ring any bells?

The amnesia this place regularly suffers from is astounding.

[LittleClarkie]

15. Many elected officials are SD's. That would mean neither side would use endorsements.

That's alittle silly.

But if the SD's go against the voted upon Dem, that would suck. And I'd say that if it were Hillary as well.

[iamjoy]

4. I Have Hope

Unlike pledged delegates (those awarded from primary victories and caucuses), the SuperDelegates can change their "vote" (or candidate) at any time. I would hope that if Obama is significantly ahead of Clinton in pledged delegates that these Superdelegates would switch in the interests of party unity and respect for the voters.

If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination because of Super Delegates and it is in contrast to the will of the voters, expect it to be an issue in the General Election as another example of the Clinton Power Base/Influence and the fact that Democrats don't trust the people, blah blah

[Barack_America]

5. Yes, if the Democratic party decides to forgo their claim to be "for the people"....

...and turns into the RepublicanParty-v.2.

I won't be associating with it if this happens.

[Tarc]

12. This naivety is charming

I love how the Obamaniacs are waking up in a post-Super Tuesday world, their man's momentum just not enough to get him over the hump, and just now figuring out how a primary actually functions.


PS - Please, don't anyone tell them about the Electoral College. Their heads will be a'splodin left and right.

[Barack_America]

17. Disagree. Some people agree with things or disagree with things on PRINCIPLE...

...not because it benefits or hurts their candidate of choice.

But I wouldn't expect your lot to understand that.

"It's not illegal unless they tell you it is"

[Tarc]

24. You are sorely lacking in principle, I'm afraid

The Big O doesn't do as well as some expected, and they bust out the "I may not vote/support/conbtribute if he loses..." rumblings yet again.

Fucking pathetic.

[Barack_America]

28. I have personally said...

that I would not vote or support Hillary?

[Tarc]

29. "I won't be associating with it if this happens."

???

Seems pretty clear.

[Barack_America]

30. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't...

...vote for Dems. It's not as if I'd vote Republican or something.

But yeah, if the Democratic party throws away the votes of tens of millions of Americans, I will drop the D.

[elizm]

11. I can't imagine a situation where the people voted one way....

And the Superdelegates flipped the nomination. It would be the death of the Democratic Party. I would think the candidate with the most state/committed delegates is the one the superdelegates would go with.

[sallyseven]

25. They have never done that in

the past.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. Why phrase it that way?

It works the same with the names reversed.

Obama may easily end up with more SDs. He gets a lot of endorsements lately!

And Clinton could easily end up with the elected delegate lead.

All scenarios are possible.

[IsItJustMe]

21. You have a point, my gut tells me HRC will get the majority of super delegated because

1) This is the trend as of now
2) It is assumed that she had the Democratic Machinory behind her
3) Her husband was president for eight years

Enough reason to give me a good idea that she will get the mojority of these "SUPER" delegates.

[Uncle Sinister]

14. Welcome to politics 101

1. Super delegates are there for a reason, and this has NEVER been a true democracy (nor should it ever be).
2. No one knows how the SD's will vote (probably including most of the SD's right now) they want a win in Nov. more than any particular candidate.
3.I say bravo for SD's...former presidents, senators, congressmaen have every right to have a say in choosing the demo nominee. ertainly more than anyone voting because of media spin or Youtube vids.

Go SD's GO!!!

[IsItJustMe]

22. To me, it kinda makes voting irreverent. Don't ya think?

[Ronnie]

27. irreverent?

cheeky, disrespectful, mocking, impudent, rude, flippant, bold? I kind of like 'bold'. Or maybe 'cheeky'. I've always liked that word.

[ShadowLiberal]

18. Yes, but I doubt he will, the super delegates will want to end this ASAP

I doubt that the super delegates and party insiders would really pull out all the stops to make sure the insider candidate wins the nomination. I mean it worked out so well last time when they stopped Gary Hart didn't it? :sarcasm:

I think if Obama can pull off a bunch of wins in the rest of February and March that Hillary will be under a lot of pressure to drop out of the race. The super delegates aren't stupid (at least I hope they aren't), the longer we fight each other while McCain has the republican nomination locked up the harder it'll be for us to win in November.

[sallyseven]

26. Gary Hart got caught screwing around.

He dared the press to follow him around. They did and he got caught with a lady sitting on his lap. Pictures and all. Big Scandal. What the hell are you talking about? Super Delegates had nothing to do with it.

[Thrill]

19. This isn't going to happen. The Super Delegates will line up with the winner

No one is going to risk fracturing the party at a time when they can sweep the November Elections

[IsItJustMe]

23. I hope your right. Sounds logical anyway. I am calm now. Thanks. LOL