Hillary yelling at the JJ Dinner..MSNBC NOW

[Unsane]

[K Gardner]

1. Yeah, I had to turn it down and then off. Doesn't she have a mic?

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[K Gardner]

5. Nobody said that. Why would you say something like that?

[IndieLeft]

78. She's trying to make something out of nothing. big surprise since Hillary

is doing the same thing.

[dkf]

10. She needs to study herself on TV more.

Sorry if that offends you.

[Cha]

75. Way to bring nothing

to the table.

[jlake]

3. God it's nice to have someone whose words are so lyrical they could be set to music.

[LowerManhattanite]

12. Philip Glass? n/t

[woolldog]

102. ha!

:rofl:

[Thrill]

15. You want her to be so much like obama

don't you.

[jlake]

19. A faux preacher with a messianic complex?

No, I do not.

[Auntie Bush]

74. That was a good one!

[Tatiana]

4. She seems really excited and enthused. n/t

[libertee]

7. and you're addressing Madame President..

[IndieLeft]

80. Huh.... I thought it was Queen Hillary

[CTLawGuy]

91. Queen Hillary of

the Houfe of Clinton (f = old timey "s")

Doft thou not fupport the reftoration of the Royal Houfe of Clinton?

[SoxFan]

109. Queen?

[CTLawGuy]

115. dear god

fire your makeup artist!

[montanacowboy]

6. She always screams to the top of her voice

in a terrible grating monotone

[Tatiana]

8. She's toned it down now. n/t

[JVS]

14. Except when she has lost her voice from yelling too much

[dkf]

16. Thats her sign she is doing it wrong.

[Kahuna]

33. Then is sounded pretty good. My ears are literally ringing right

now from the sound of her voice.

[Yael]

9. I honestly think she thinks it makes her sound strong

She just sounds angry and out of control.

Someone posted the other day,

Tell Hillary she can't bellow like Ted Kennedy so she shouldn't try. When she does, she sounds like every man's worst nightmare woman. Hire the acoustics engineer from ZZ Top and let the amplifiers do the heavy lifting. You can still blast your message, but you sound strong and confident rather than shrill and angry.

I kept it as I thought it was spot on.

[blonndee]

11. WHYYYY does she DRAGGGGG out EVVVVery other woooord?

I hate it when politicians speak like that. Not just her. It sounds so unnatural and phony.

[Orangepeel]

13. nice, helpful post

Not.

[Tatiana]

17. "All-out assault on government workers by this administration."

This election about all those Americans who want to seize this moment to build the kind of future that we know awaits.

Clean energy jobs of the future.

[Egnever]

18. She is looking pretty beat.

This race seems to be wearing on her.

[ellisonz]

25. Insomnia?

[GoldieAZ49]

37. thats why she wants tv debates the campaign trail is tough

[Cleita]

20. Apparently, the MSM is giving her the Dean Scream treatment.

Oh this is going to be a long year.

[loveangelc]

hillary is so boring...

[Evergreen Emerald]

56. I agree. Why have a president that is boring. I want a fun guy that talks perrtty.

[anamandujano]

82. and that you'd want to have a latte with

It worked for W.

[loveangelc]

92. me too. go us!

[bidenista]

65. people listen to her for policies, not religious experience or showboat entertainment

Sorry if that's boring for you.

Maybe you could re-watch some episodes of Oprah instead?

[krabigirl]

112. lol

[Tatiana]

21. "Force should be used as a last resort, not a first resort."

Thunderous applause.

[sandnsea]

40. Too bad she keeps forgetting to vote that way n/t

[sniffa]

22. Is she fired up and ready to go?

[Thrill]

23. She needs to work on her speeches

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

24. Thanks For The Head's Up. She Sounds Great!

By the way; nice freeper fucking talking point you've got there.

But regardless of the stupidity shown in the wording, I do appreciate the head's up. Got it on now and I'm enjoying it. She's awesome!

[Yael]

50. OMC, please don't confuse progressive issues with RW issues

It isn't one or the other -- both the right and the left have a list.

This issue may appear on both -- but thems the breaks!

[ursi]

26. I feel for her. her throat must hurt.

[book_worm]

27. Oh, come on she was giving a good speech.

[Kahuna]

28. OMG. I tell you the truth. I ears bleed when I hear her give speeches...

She can't help her voice... but...:scared:

[onenote]

111. funny thing: my eyes bleed when I read posts like this.

[GoldieAZ49]

29. I cannot imagine listening to her for 4 years

no wonder guys say she sounds like their ex wife or mother in law.

She doesn't know how to use her voice effectively.

Whatever her message, it gets lost in delivery.

[WinkyDink]

86. Any voice is better than the repulsive one in the WH now.

[Kool Kitty]

89. You said a mouthful there, honey.

I couldn't agree more.

Hillary's speech sounded fine. She's probably exhausted, and who wouldn't be?

[OzarkDem]

30. What? No Hitlery/Billary comments? No Vince Foster?

You're losing your touch.

[robbedvoter]

31. Thanks for getting me to tune in! What a great speech

[tammywammy]

32. She wasn't yelling

She was enthusiastic.

[Life Long Dem]

34. THEY WILL SEAT THE PRESIDENT THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE JOB!!

:banghead:

[K Gardner]

Watch your head, dear :-))

[cooolandrew]

98. Megalomania is so becoming in a candidate. Never mind disenfranchisment. I suddenly feeel ill.

[cooolandrew]

99. If it were Obama it would be wrong it's dienfrachisment, it's cheating it's 2000.

[SammyWinstonJack]

117. Huh?

:shrug:

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

35. she fought george bush every day for the last 7 years?

huh?

[TomInTib]

46. She really said that?

I must've missed something along the way.

[K Gardner]

51. Yeah.. I need to go back and check my memory. And the papers evidently.

[TomInTib]

62. Maybe she crossed her fingers behind her back.

Yeah, that's probably it.

And with her always face-on into the cameras, we just missed it, K G.

Tom

[Tatiana]

52. Yes, she did. n/t

[Yael]

54. Yep -- she did!

She sneered at him as she rubber stamped all of his requests.

:hi:

[TomInTib]

64. Yeah....

with her fingers crossed behind her back.

[Whisp]

58. surely you jest. she didn't actually say that?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Cha]

79. She lies a lot..I wouldn't care if she

yells or whatever..but, those lies are what did 'er in.

hilary fought bushit on nothing..one of his main enablers.

[Tatiana]

36. Hillary brought her A-game tonight.

Will bring the troops home within 60 days, she says. Only candidate in this race, Republican or Democrat with a plan to cover every man, woman, and child.

(I'm glad she changed her mind on the withdrawal in 18 months.)

[progressive_realist]

101. Oh, so now she wants to bring the troops home?

Funny, when this primary season started, she didn't want to make any commitments about withdrawing from Iraq. Now that she is in danger of losing the nomination, suddenly she's George McGovern? What a phony.

I'm sure she'll follow through if she wins. :eyes:

[Tatiana]

104. Yep. She wants to start withdrawing in 60 days, now.

Yeah, it's a flip-flop, but I'm glad she's changed her mind. The people will hold her to her promise if she is elected president.

[Thrill]

38. Why does it sound like Hillary is reading a book?

[Purveyor]

39. I'd rather listen to 'fingers across a chalkboard"... n/t

[K Gardner]

44. I dunno.. the finger pointing and jabbing kinda grates on me pretty badly.

[Whisp]

59. jabbing jabbers - the both of them do that irritating finger pokin' thing. nt

[Tatiana]

41. The era of "Cowboy Diplomacy" will be over!

:rofl:

Good one.

[LostInAnomie]

42. She's a horrible public speaker.

No matter what the speech is about or where it is at, it always follows the same formula:

1. Bring up a subject
2. Say about two sentences about the subject.
3. Say about two more sentences in an extremely loud voice bragging out each and every word with slight pauses in between.
4. Wait for applause
5. Move to the next subject
6. Say about two sentences about the subject.
etc.

[ellisonz]

57. You nailed it.

[TexasObserver]

100. She's like that character Will Ferrell used to do on SNL ...

She's bad at public speaking, really bad. She's like that character Will Ferrell used to do - the guy who had no control over his voice modulation. He would yell for no particular reason with no particular emphasis, unaware of how loud his voice was getting.

[Olney Blue]

43. She's making some great points.

[jlake]

45. Damn she's amazing. SUBSTANCE & Taking on Republicans!

w00t!

[loveangelc]

47. she sounds robotic when she talks...

[pdxmom]

48. I wonder if they'll air all of Obama's speech live. N/T

[K Gardner]

53. They're supposed to. Worst case, if MSNBC chickens out, Fox is airing it.

[K Gardner]

55. Strangely enough, CNN is NOT airing Hillary's speech. Fox isn't either.

[Thrill]

49. Someone remind Hillary that TIm Kaine is an Obama supporter

[Yael]

60. And the website mention

ie -- I NEED MONEY

[Tatiana]

67. LMAO!

http://static.hillaryclinton.com/i/home/feb5/text_$10m.jpg

[Tatiana]

61. You know, this is a really good speech.

It's just her delivery doesn't match the eloquence of the words.

[sfam]

66. I agree with this. If you read this as a transcript, it would read pretty well...

She really needs to work on her cadence and rhythm though. She gets into long periods where her voice almost sounds like the equivalent of shoveling dirt. You lose focus on the speech from beginning to end.

[Yael]

68. I am sure that it is a good read

[hisownpetard]

70. If you close your eyes, it's Roseann Barr.

:crazy:

[K Gardner]

63. Start acting like Americans???

[LowerManhattanite]

69. Speaking absolutely objectively here...

...I'm utterly baffled as to why her campaign has not had or hired someone to counteract the (in my mind, and in the mind of many others) the backslide in her public speaking of late. It's NOT that she's bad, it's that she's just sort of off, and seemingly overly-conscious of herself while speaking. She actually is a pretty good public speaker in general. In the oft-mentioned, oddly-rescheduled “Headliners and Legends” special on MSNBC you can see her in action years ago. She's zippy and sounds UN-canned—unlike now.

I studied public speaking/oratorical skills years ago and one of the things my teacher addressed in a big way was “staying true to yourself” in performance. You don't let another speaker get you off your game. What seems to have happened is that Hillary has allowed Obama's over-the-top skill level insofar as public speaking to affect her. Too often, she seems to have almost looked over her shoulder and futilely tried to cop bits of his rousing style, which doesn't work for her. His style, a classic seminary “thrust” (what my teacher called it back in the day) plays to the physical differences between men and women. More lung capacity and “boomier” voices in general for men, and thus a greater ability to project in large rooms. When women try to speak the same way, the oft-times built-in resonance that man have physiologically isn't there, so she may seem to be yelling a little bit. Hillary is an excellent speaker when she's off-the-cuff and in smaller environs. Her cut-down of Chris Matthews with the “Oh Chrissy” dig worked because she was being herself and dealing with him one on one. It was a nice shiv in his ribs, and well-deserved.

Obama's speechfying to crowds is so devastatingly good because it plays to the natural response of people in those crowd settings. Put a person at a rostrum and have people in seats before him and if he can “wave the sugar stick” (another public speaking term) he can get a crowd roaring—which he or she feeds off of, and it becomes a weird feedback loop. Call and response, rhythm and flow. (Think Ray Charles' “What'd I Say”) It's intimidating to see that over your shoulder as an opponent—especially if you're battling for the super-soundbite the next day. So maybe you step out of your comfort zone a little bit, and don't play “your” game. And it shows.

The perfect analogy is this. Imagine two hitters in baseball.


One's a slugger, a bomber who hits tape-measure shots that make the crowd go “ahhhhhhhh!” but on the whole, he's a .280 hitter. It's just that when he connects, it's an awe-inspiring thing.

The other's a spray hitter, peppering the field with singles and doubles all over the place. Not a heavy-hitter, but nonetheless a .315-.320 popper in the lineup.

The nature of sports is that the “home run” hitter gets more ink and more drooling adulation as the “homer” is more eye-catching and for lack of a better word, “glorious”.

The old baseball phrase was “Home run hitters drive Cadillacs”—alluding to other hitters driving lesser cars because they were paid less for not hitting as many bombs.

What the .310 hitter shouldn't do, because it almost NEVER works is to TRY to hit homers like the slugger. It's not in his nature and drives his average down. The .310 hitter should augment what he does. Play a speed game—steal bases, bunt more and so on to round out, enhance and give you more to look at in their game.

I don't know WHO is working with her on this (if anyone) but that adviser needs to change their game or be out on their ass in lieu of someone else who can get the best out of her. That ain't happenin' now.

[Tatiana]

72. ABSOLUTELY! What has happened to her.

Check out this appearance of Clinton on Letterman 8 years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BDghYAjhUU

She's great. I don't get what's happened. She's lost a lot of that natural charm.

[geiger]

118. I agree with what you are saying, but I think bottom line, is that she knows it's over....

[geiger]

119. I agree with what you are saying, but I think bottom line, is that she knows it's over....

[TexasObserver]

71. The Opening Act for a Rock Star always sucks.

[Auntie Bush]

73. I'd rather listen to her yelling than Obama preaching. If I want to

be preached to...I'll go to the church of my choice. That preachy tone and canter really irritates me and I find myself mimicking him.

[Maddy McCall]

76. Like Promise Keepers writ large.

I agree.

[jenmito]

77. So you didn't listen to Obama's words, did you?! And what's with Hillary's

puffed-up face with all that collagen? It's really distracting!

[Auntie Bush]

83. If you have the money when you're her age and have everyone

pointing out every wrinkle...I'll bet you will take the opportunity to do the same thing. Frankly I hadn't noticed, so I can't refute your sexist comment. How come no one talks about how much Botox and Collagen men use?

That wasn't a very kind comment but...it's par for the course for the poster.

[jenmito]

105. No I wouldn't. I don't even wear makeup. At all.

And I DID comment on Kerry in '04 when HE used collagen, too, which he obviously did. Nothing sexist about it-just pointing it out.

[WinkyDink]

87. So you didn't listen to Hillary's words, did you?! (Moran.)

[jenmito]

106. I most certainly did.

[TexasObserver]

94. She probably got shots today to appear on TV panels Sunday.

How do you like those cheek implants she got? Nice work, and very high dollar.

[woolldog]

103. c'mon guys

don't attack her based on her looks. not cool :thumbsdown:

[jenmito]

107. My sister, who hardly follows politics, called me and said exactly the same thing...

that her cheeks looked so full and hard and artificial. It's distracting!

[Andromeda]

97. Another personal attack...

how typical of you. Instead of disagreeing with her policies you have to come up with a stupid remark about her looks.

Who says sexism is exclusive to men.

[jenmito]

108. It's not a personal attack. It's an observation. And it's not sexist, either, as I said the same

about Kerry in '04.

[IndieLeft]

81. Or is it that he sounds to intelligent for you to comprehend?

He does appeal to the higher educated voter.

[alarimer]

84. No, Just smart enough to know bullshit when we hear it. n/t

[WinkyDink]

88. Oh, yes, because HRC speaks in mono-syllables. P.S. It's "too".

And "more highly educated".

Maybe you aren't an Obama supporter?

[Andromeda]

95. But he appeals to you,

Why is that?

[krabigirl]

113. OMG..then why do my husband and I dislike his speeches?

I guess our multiple degrees mean we are pretty dumb. Wow, thanks for enlightening me.

[Auntie Bush]

114. That's because he appeals to Yuppy rich Republicans and Indies.

I want a liberal in office. One who will fight for Liberal issues...not one who will compromise with Rethugs on our issues.

[jillan]

85. I find myself inserting

Hallelujah throughout his speeches.

[Sparkly]

120. I like him but

I know some people this REALLY irritates, because it doesn't seem genuine or authentic to them. ("It's not who he is." Is this what bothers you too, or is it that it reminds you of church preaching, or both?)

[paulk]

90. thanks for posting this

it shows how trivial and petty so many in the Obama camp are.

[TexasObserver]

93. Cackle, cackle, clap, clap, point, point

I am Robot.

[goodgd_yall]

96. That was a really good speech

She looked relaxed. I liked that she focused on the Republicans.

[Medusa]

110. This is why they've reportedly hired a speech/drama coach for her

to get the screetchiness out of her voice when she's delivering speeches. She's gotten better but it's still there.

[Qanisqineq]

116. I'm sorry I missed it

this "Hillary yelling", "nails on a chalkboard", etc. is getting really old. I think some people's ears are being influenced by the hate that they feel for her. Add in the use of the term "cackle" and it starts to take on (oh no, she's gonna say it) sexist overtones.

I don't need her to sound like a preacher to hear the words that she is saying. I spent 8 years in college listening to science professors "drone on" and I can hear their passion for their subject without chants or sounding like a televangelist. I listen to the actual content.

[Jennicut]

121. I ahve actually grown to like Hillary's voice and some of her speeches

But she does seem exhausted. Obama does too. This is taking alot out of both of them.

[Jennicut]

122. I support Obama but I actually have grown to liek Hillary's voice

Her speeches are better than McCain's "my friends..." speeches. Her speeches are pretty good actually and make good points.