kerry-is-my-prez
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:46 PM
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CNN: Most people who voted on basis of TV ads voted for Obama. |
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That's a great deal of the story - Hillary doesn't have as much money...
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:47 PM
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1. Bill made $40 million in speaking fees. |
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She has the $ if she wants.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:50 PM
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7. Thanks to campaign finance reform |
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She can't touch any of his money. I learned that because of Kerry in 2004.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:55 PM
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19. So the $5 million was hers? |
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I thought I heard she had approx $15 million available to her.
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:05 PM
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She has more to loan to herself in need be too. What 2004 taught me, was that John Kerry could touch any of his wife's money at all (as such, he had to take out a lone, backed my his half share of the only house they had that he was listed as at least an equal owner).
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:19 PM
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27. John Kerry couldn't touch money that his wife held in her name only. |
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But if Bill and Hillary have a joint account with the proceeds from his speaking fees, won't that work?
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:28 PM
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32. Yes, but she could only bank on half of it |
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As I stated above in my very poorly spelled and/or grammar murder (I didn't do a preview first - doh!) all candidates can only loan/donate to their campaigns from money/possessions that are in their name.
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:48 PM
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34. Oh...so half of $30 million is Hillary's $15 million. |
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Got it.
So she may have access to his speaking fees then.
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:55 PM
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35. Yes she could have access |
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but it seems that she doesn't, as that portion of their combined income is not listed; i.e. - his speaking fees and such are listed to him alone.
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Sat Feb-09-08 11:05 PM
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36. Makes you wonder how they got to $30 million |
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that is a chunk of change.
So Bill has $40 million on top of that and is getting another $20 million from Burkle.
Guess it does pay to be President.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:51 PM
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9. Can she use Bill's $$$? |
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Remember, Kerry had to mortgage his mansion to finance his campaign, even though his wife was a brazillionaire. There was some kind of legal roadblock, even for spouses.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:48 PM
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2. Political success = raising money, and spending it wisely. Obama does both. |
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:49 PM
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3. Presidents Gramm, Dean, and Giuliani agree |
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:52 PM
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13. Did any of them get as far as Obama? Is Obama so wealthy he can |
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loan himself 5 million? Your point is ridiculous. Obama has tons of small donors. More than Hillary. That's grassroots support.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:54 PM
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18. Gramm and Dean had much bigger financial advantages than Obama |
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Hillary also has grassroots support. That is why she won 80,000 more votes on Super Tuesday.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:51 PM
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11. But Obama is just an inexperienced politician who never had a serious fight before?! |
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Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 09:52 PM by Radical Activist
How can he be running a better campaign than someone with so much experience? :shrug:
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:52 PM
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14. I think Obama has learned rom Dean |
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He learned how to raise money online like Dean did, and learned how to run a 50 state grass-roots campaign. He also learned what to do from Dean's run, by not over spending like some candidates do.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:49 PM
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4. I think that would be a valid statement ONLY if Hillary did not |
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Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 09:49 PM by hedgehog
run any ads herself. We don't know that to be the case. I would have thought that with all the money raised this week, she could have run as many ads as she wanted.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:49 PM
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5. She ran nothing in comparison to Obama |
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It is no coincidence he won the ad influenced vote but lost those who weren't swayed by ads.
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kerry-is-my-prez
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:50 PM
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8. She's still way behind Obama - my guess is that she "gave up" these 3 states. |
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She didn't have much of a chance to win them.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:54 PM
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16. In Florida, the only ads I saw were Obama ads..... We are older here though. |
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Which is probably why the state went for Clinton.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:49 PM
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6. I just gave 10 bucks to Obame |
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To continue the momentum.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:51 PM
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Translation: She is too cheap to pay for TV ads personally, and her |
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Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 09:51 PM by TexasObserver
... campaign doesn't have the money.
They're lying about the money they claim is coming in. They're grifters. Always remember that.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:51 PM
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10. She spent $118 million |
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She used bad judgement and implemented a bad strategy, that's why she spent all her money.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:52 PM
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12. $500,000 on parking. She's ready to valet park on Day One!! |
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:26 PM
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29. more and more it's sounding like she thought it would be over |
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by now with her being the victor. so she blew her cash up to super tuesday and spent like a Helmsly thinking she could pretty well relax at this point.
I think she's knows she's in deep trouble and is relying on other ways to hang in there - all this crying crap, and now the MSNBC, the weasling about Mi and FL, the superdelegate anvil hanging...
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:53 PM
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15. That's because ALL TV ads are BS. |
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Gotta be gullible to believe any of them...especially Romney's.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:54 PM
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17. LOL - Obama folks once said don't let Clinton money buy the election - but now a purchase by O is OK |
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Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 09:55 PM by papau
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:58 PM
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:59 PM
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21. I'd love to see how that study was conducted |
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Who was questioned, what the questions were, what order they were given, etc. I'm sure its design is fascinating! :) You wouldn't happen to have a link to it, now would you?
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:25 PM
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:01 PM
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22. Hillary's name recognition alone should have been enough to offset the ad gap. |
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Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 10:01 PM by Starbucks Anarchist
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:06 PM
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24. She's saving it for the states w/ more delegates |
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makes sense.
OTOH, its disturbing so many young people vote for Obama because of TV commercials. Say what you will but it is very "cultish".
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:15 PM
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26. How would you prefer they make their choice? |
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Watching the MSM? Based on their endorsements? Reviewing their policy positions and voting record on the web? I submit that there is no significant difference, in aggregate, between how each candidate's supporters make their choice.
The promoters of the "cult" meme notwithstanding.
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:30 PM
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33. what's more disturbing are cockamammie posts like yours. |
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makes no sense at all.
and reminds me a bit like the talk you get from RWers about never believe Noam Chomsky because he gets PAID to write books.
:groan:
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:08 PM
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:28 PM
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30. Obama has better ads. |
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I mean Caroline Kennedy vs. some guy plummeting to Earth in an orange jumpsuit and Reeboks? Come on.
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Sat Feb-09-08 10:28 PM
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31. Most people period -- are voting for Obama. |
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The cream is rising to the top.
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