I think a great deal of the republican support for Barack Obama is to defeat Hillary Clinton

[bigtree]

I can't be comfortable with celebrating the tactics of a party which tried, with all their might, to topple our two-term Democratic administration. The vocal support for Obama of these prominent, conservative republicans is designed to piggyback their perpetual campaign against the Clintons on Obama's Democratic-originated opposition. To some extent folks are buying it.

The most disturbing thing about this tactic is the meme they repeat that Obama doesn't challenge them personally. I just heard the republican Louisiana governor say this. I'll bet they like his softer, gentler approach. And, I'll wager they've orchestrated this visible, vocal support for Obama because they fear Hillary Clinton's aggressive stance threatens to upset their fascist, anti-American, anti-world agenda, more than they fear Obama will.

[stillrockin]

1. sore loser

[bigtree]

4. congratulations pal. see ya in Ohio,Texas, and Pennsylvania

[stillrockin]

41. A bientôt, mon chèr !

B-)

[goldcanyonaz]

2. Yep, they do not want to run against her. Many have taken the bait to think they will support Obama

We going to look like fools come November.

[Skittles]

7. we already look like fools

ending up with the very two candidates the corporate media hand-picked as our frontrunners

[mitchum]

24. Very wise words, Skittles

[okasha]

9. I worry about precisely this with Republican crossovers in the primaries.

If we get any reforms out of this election cycle, one of them needs to be closed dem primaries.

[goldcanyonaz]

17. These crossover voters will cross right back to vote Republican. Can people be this fucking stupid?

The pro abortion stance and anti war rhetoric is enough to know that they're just playing with us in voting for Obama. I can not believe that people can be this DUMB!

[BlackVelvet04]

47. That's the Atwater tactic they forgot about. n/t

[Bonobo]

3. It seems to me that you will reach out for whatever you can to justify your preconceived notions. nt

[bigtree]

8. In other words, I have an opinion that you disagree with.

and . . .?

[Bonobo]

33. That's it. Oh, and that you have fixed, unalterable ideas based upon some other factors I suspect.

That's all!

[bigtree]

37. Thank you, Dr. Phil

[enfield collector]

5. you are aware that Obama beats mccain in national polls, whereas

mccain beats Hillary, right?

[bigtree]

11. this is now, while they're stroking him

wait for it . . . I'll be right by his side if he's the nominee.

[waiting for hope]

32. Is anyone here still believing Polls?

For the longest time, Edwards was beating all the repukes by a greater margin than Hillary or Obama - where is he now? The machine is in motion, and they are going to take down anyone that threatens their power.

[adapa]

48. And 5 months ago, Hillary was beating Barack by 30 points, Polls this far out are meaningless

[Barack_America]

6. If so, would you rather see that happen in the Dem primaries or the General Election?

They WILL come out to defeat her. If they're stupid enough to do it in our primaries, I say GOOD!

[enfield collector]

13. oh yeah, the swiftboating Hillary is going to get is going to make what

happened to John Kerry look like positive affirmation. There is just tons of dirt on the Clintons that the reich wing media is just salivating to air.

[anamandujano]

42. She's getting the swiftboating now, in the primaries.

[BlackVelvet04]

50. Nope, but the swiftboating of Obama will be a damn bloodbath....

guarantee it.

[bigtree]

16. I don't know why we let republicans and 'independents' vote in some of our contests

[anamandujano]

43. It's f'ing ridiculous.

Let the so-called "independents" have their own primaries.

[peacebird]

10. I think a great deal of republican support for Hillary Clinton is so McCain can defeat her

[enki23]

12. i think aliens are talking directly to my cerebellum

[Yossariant]

28. A sign of an Obama fan.

[enki23]

72. is it that common?

i suppose the "other side" is signified by paranoid conspiracy theories about a massive, yet strangely silent republican conspiracy to infiltrate democratic caucuses and primaries in order to keep hillary from being the nominee? here's news for ya: they aren't *that* disciplined. if they were, we'd be almost impossibly pressed to defeat them anywhere, ever. but no, i don't think those who prefer hillary believe that, for the most part. i'll decline, at least right now, to tar them with the idiocy of a vocal minority.

this shit is so damned childish. note that some of us may well have clear preferences, and may well spend a bit of time responding to particularly idiotic assertions about their favored candidate, but don't actually join in on the worst of the cheerleading, the gloating, the spinning, and general assholery that is rampant here lately. here's the deal. i prefer obama over hillary, but will without a doubt vote for her in november if she's the nominee.

i don't think preferring hillary means a person is a fool. acting like a fool, however, does.

[amborin]

14. plus, as many have said, Obama articulates many republican values

[bigtree]

21. I haven't heard any of that

he's a solid Democrat.

[goldcanyonaz]

23. Right, like pro abortion and his dovish stance? They're trying to successfully influence our elect

ion.

[Webster Green]

35. Takes one to know one.. nyaa nyaa nyaa nyaa..

Fuck off!:eyes:

[book_worm]

15. oh please! they have been building up HRC for four years.

They think they know how to run against her, but aren't so sure how to run against Obama.

[MethuenProgressive]

18. Almost all of Obama's support is really anti-Clinton.

...from reading DU, that is.

[cali]

19. that's just ridiculous

Such repukes as Rush have been urging repuke to vote for her, because they see her as easier to defeat. And just about every analyst from both sides of the aisle, agrees. They do not fear running against Hillary.

Your post is redolent of bitter.

[bigtree]

29. I think too much is being invested in the present Obama

and not enough consideration given to the post-republican, right-wing attack Obama.

And, I'm not the least bitter. I can wait for the next contests which favor Clinton without becoming discouraged over this lesser amount of delegates than is at stake in Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania. I actually feel pretty confident.

[Yossariant]

31. Yeah, Rush, the benevolent, is out to help the Democrats.

:crazy:

[BlackVelvet04]

49. Jesus, are you people really that fucking dumb? n/t

[mitchum]

20. I think a great deal of the Democratic support for Barack Obama is to defeat Hillary Clinton

just a hunch, y'know

[BlackVelvet04]

52. It's an old tactic.....

republicans cross over and vote for the weaker candidate in the Democratic primary. Knock out the strong candidate and then proceed to make mincemeat of the Democrats in the GE.

And you know what? If the Democrats let it happen this election they fucking deserve to lose because they are too damn ignorant to be trusted to run a country.

[mitchum]

55. But if a large segment of the electorate really does hunger for a change from...

"business as usual", just how appealing is someone who trumpets their 35 years of experience?

[BlackVelvet04]

59. Obama's numbers have been pumped up by

"crossover" republicans and "independents". If you want to trust the G.E. to them really voting Democratic all I can say is good luck.

[mitchum]

61. To hell with "crossover" republicans, but FORMER republicans are a different...

story altogether,
Somehow, I suspect that bushco has been responsible for creating quite a number of the latter creatures

[mitchum]

62. To hell with "crossover" republicans, but FORMER republicans are a different...

story altogether,
Somehow, I suspect that bushco has been responsible for creating quite a number of the latter creatures

[BlackVelvet04]

64. sure and rush is really going to fundraise for Hillary. n/t

[mitchum]

69. I'm not talking about shills like Limbaugh and Coulter, but you already know that

[journalist3072]

22. You are dead-on. The right-wing machine is scared of running against Sen. Clinton in November

The right-wing wants people to believe that they want Sen. Clinton as the nominee in November.

If that were the case, they would we crossing over and voting for her to ensure she gets the nomination.

Instead, they are voting for Obama. Which means they want Obama as the nominee because they view him as the weaker candidate.

[goldcanyonaz]

26. To think that so many are naive to think that they will vote for Obama in November is ridiculous.

[OzarkDem]

25. Obama will be in for a big surprise

if he some wins the nom. The GOP will cut him to pieces.

The entire primary campaign has been so obviously manipulated by the GOP/news media from the beginning. Its always been their fantasy to split the party along racial lines.

[goldcanyonaz]

30. Yep, and the joke will be on all of us. He will be schooled by McCain in the debates.

[opihimoimoi]

40. Pat Buchanon just said this..."Tthey are waiting in the grass"

The Crossover Pubs are a PLOT...most will vote RED in NOV....

as will those Conservatives who gonna hold their noses while pulling the levers.....

[sam kane]

27. You mean Rush and Ann?

Oh, that's right, they have pledged their votes to Clinton...

[Change has come]

38. Shhhhh

In this exercise, we pretend otherwise. :shrug:

[bigtree]

39. Pledged? And, you believe them?

[BlackVelvet04]

53. And if you believe that dumbass I have some land in Florida to sell you.

How do you find your way home? Breadcrumbs?

[quakerboy]

34. Why do you think that?

How many republicans do you know? How many have let it slip? I know a few. have them in the family, unfortunantly. Like my dad. Who is encouraging his friends to register dem and vote for Clinton, because he "knows" that McCain will beat her. Hate is their strong suite, not thinking.

And Hillary's agressive stance? I cant seem to find the light between Barak's positions and Hillary's.

[bigtree]

36. I'm speaking to the tactics of the republican leadership and right-wing pundits

who stroke Obama.

Voters are mostly individualists. But, I really don't understand why we allow or value republican and 'independent' participation in some of our Democratic contests.

[laundry_queen]

58. *Nod* Every republican I've talked to

is praying for Hillary to become the nominee because they all hate her and it will be a huge rallying cry for them. They know it would be easier for McCain to beat her. A few have confided to me that they are worried if Obama gets it, because he's so likeable, smart and a true political talent. Some have said they'd even vote for him over McCain should he win the nomination because that meants he was saavy enough to beat the 'Clinton machine' so that means he must be a genius. Sure, those might not all be the 27 percenters, but there's a great deal of the middle of the road vote who call themselves republican because 1-they are stupid and think they republican party is all about family values and tax cuts and 2-Clintons are evil. Normal people - well as normal as one could be and call themselves a repub - are saying this. Not on political sites, not on teevee, just normal everyday small private sites for parents, weather, crafts...I'll go with them before I believe anything I see on teevee.

[Kermitt Gribble]

44. Great post, bigtree

I agree completely. The media certainly has been doing their part to pump Obama up and tear Hillary down.
Dem primaries should be Dem only. Independants and pukes shouldn't have a voice in picking our candidate.

[AtomicKitten]

45. this seems applicable

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4497661

[Name removed]

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[AtomicKitten]

56. Schmoopie!

[BlackVelvet04]

46. Obamapods are always screaming about Atwater tactics....

while forgetting about the tactic of republicans skewing the Democratic primaries and caucuses by voting for the weaker candidate.

They truly believe all those republicans are going to support Obama in the GE....LOL, sure they will.

[adapa]

51. I have to agree, the vote against someone is a very real thing

In the NH primaries in 2000, I voted for McCain because I *HATED* Bush. I could live with either Bradley or Gore but Bush was someone I wanted defeated.
It happens a lot.

[mitchum]

57. The politics of exclusion (voting against someone) has been the dominant mode...

in American politics for the past few decades.
That's why it's very important to see who has the higher negatives.

[MadHound]

60. Hmmm, what about those prominent, conservative Republicans who are backing Hillary

You know, Rush, Coulter, Buchanan. Are they also afraid of Hillary and trying to stop her?

[BlackVelvet04]

65. Rush and Coulter are NOT backing Hillary.....

they are insulting McCain.

[MadHound]

68. Let's see,

Rush has offered to hold a fundraiser for Hillary, Coulter has stated that she'll vote for Hillary, Pat Buchanan has endorsed Hillary live on MSNBC. Whether they're doing this because they hate McCain or not, it still means that they are supporting Hillary at this point.

[bigtree]

75. They're openly scamming to get republicans to jump into the middle of our contests where they can

Why these states with open primaries believe republicans will be sincere when they participate in our contests, I'll never know.

And yes, despite their bravado, they can't forget how her husband skunked them for two terms. All of their brave talk can't erase that fear in them.

[Guaranteed]

63. Only Hillary Clinton could lead a Republican to vote for a black man.

Or, there might be one more- John McCain.

LOL.

[EFerrari]

66. Clinton's aggressive stance?

:wtf:

[hill08]

67. that is exactly

what is going on. Reps will set the Dems up and get 4 more years. And if Dems fall for this trick, shame on them. They deserve to lose.

[Ichingcarpenter]

70. Right wingers fear Obama

This is from a left/progressive blog,



Rush Limbaugh is ready to do his part for the GOP by putting on his own fundraiser. Even if that fundraiser is for the only politician that he believes can unite his party - Hillary Clinton.

RUSH: All right, folks, I need to ask you a question, personal question from me to you. Do I sound like I need cheering up here? I'm getting e-mails from friends, "Boy, you sound like you could use a little cheering up." And they're sending me these stupid little Internet jokes, "for you to smile," like an Internet joke would cheer me up. Spam would cheer me up. But do I sound like I need to be cheered up? I can't wait 'til the Drive-Bys get hold of my thought, my consideration of helping Hillary raise money. They'll miss the reason. They'll just publicize, "Limbaugh is so upset at Romney getting out, he's thinking of raising money for Hillary, period."


But the reason for raising money for Hillary is because that apparently my party is relying on fear and loathing of Hillary to get the nomination, to unite Republicans, who are, some of them, off the reservation. The Republicans do not seem to be relying on leadership in their party to unite the party. They seem to be relying on all these external things, nobody is going to vote for Hillary, negative turnout factor. What if she's not the nominee? We've got make sure she's the nominee if the Republican Party is to be unified. What more loyal thing could I do than to run a fundraiser for Mrs. Clinton? You watch, though, you watch how that will be questioned.



And then he added these little gems:

RUSH: She just polarizes people. I think she's going to gin up enough anti-Hillary turnout out there to perhaps be a boon to whoever the Republican nominee is.


CALLER: Absolutely.

RUSH: Now, if Obama is the nominee, we are doomed, and you should get ready and prepared for it now.

CALLER: I agree.

RUSH: I'm going to tell you something else that's going to happen. In addition to all this emotion that Hillary's going to revive in people, all this, "I don't care, I'm not going to vote for that woman," you know she's going to redefine negative turnout. You know she is polarizing. I'm going to tell you what's going to happen. It's already started, I pointed this out. Last week after one of the primaries, Anna Quindlen, Newsweek magazine, "How Old is Too Old?" she laid the foundation for the Drive-Bys' eventual turning on McCain as an old guy getting older. I want to predict to you that once he's got this sewn up you're going to see the Drive-By Media start doing stories on his age, and they're not going to be mean, they are not going to be vicious, they're going to be almost sorrowful.

Somebody wrote about this in American Thinker today, too, and I can't remember the name. I think I've got it here in the Stack, but take a look at some of the pictures from last night on television. Here you had McCain, you've got an aging senator here, and an aging governor, gray-haired governor there, you've got old people, gray-haired, blue-haired Bloody Mary gang, women, blue hair in the hives and so forth, you've got pearls and so forth. You contrast that to the Obama crowd that is youthful, it's energetic, it wasn't stoic. I am telling you, if that doesn't work, they're going to go after this age business, and they'll do it almost regretfully. We're going to get the worst pictures of McCain. We're going to get him looking tired. We're going to hear references to his forgetfulness. "Isn't it just a shame?" And if that doesn't work, then they're going to do stories on the fact he's nuts. Just mark my words. Mark my words and don't doubt me.


http://leftinaboite.blogspot.com/2008/02/right-wingers-fear-obama.html

[Thrill]

71. If you believe this. What makes you think Hillary can win the GE?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

73. What about Rush, Glen Beck, and Ann Coulter expressing "support" for Clinton?

Who cares? Let's not let conservative blowhards pick our candidates, okay?

[killbotfactory]

74. That's very likely.

In bizarroland.

[bigtree]

76. that's what these elections have become, and our country as well

bizarroland