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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:08 PM
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The WA caucuses represent 1% of the population of that state. NE represent 2% of that state.
I find this extremely disturbing. Obama's SC win was more votes than all of the caucus states tonight.

I've always thought caucuses were bad, but when I look at the numbers for tonight I am completely blown away. Alaska, OK, I can see only a few hundred people voting up there. But WA? Less than 1% of the people? That's insane.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:09 PM
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1. Um, I think Washington's numbers are in terms of delegates.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:12 PM
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8. So what are the actual numbers for WA, then? Is it better than 2%?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:15 PM
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12. Not sure where to find that out. I had heard that 32% is what they were expecting.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:10 PM
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2. Look at the number of people who vote in primaries as compared to
caucuses, and tell me the caucuses should not be abandoned.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:10 PM
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3. Look at the number of people who vote in primaries as compared to
caucuses, and tell me the caucuses should not be abandoned.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:11 PM
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4. I guess it's only disturbing if your candidate didn't win that measly 2%.
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Prayingforrain48 Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:11 PM
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5. which numbers?
Yeah, those numbers listed on CNN et al are not the vote totals.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:11 PM
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6. Kinda like the Moveon "vote" - no wait, that was 10%
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:12 PM
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7. Those are delegates, not voters.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:16 PM
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16. I know NE's are voters.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:19 PM
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19. Nebraska is delegates too.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:12 PM
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9. Alaska? We had over 8,000 people caucus for Dems
up here last Tuesday. Who knew there were even that many Democrats in the state? :shrug:
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:13 PM
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10. josh
give it up. Everyone knew the rules of the primary before they started and agreed to them. Too late now to quibble with the format. everyone knew the format of the presidential campaign going in.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:14 PM
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11. Give what up? I already expect Hillary to lose. Can I not make an observation about the process?
I'm not "whining." I'm merely pointing out the representational nature of these processes.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:15 PM
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13. I do not care.
Look at the margins


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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:16 PM
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14. Caucuses
My feelings about it are mixed. The caucuses get people much more directly involved than voting in a primary does. And there is nothing preventing as many people from participating in a caucus as vote in a primary. It could be argued that the caucuses attract the most concerned and best-informed citizens to make this important choice.

But...ultimately I think you are right. Every state should have a primary,and they all should fall within a few weeks of the general election, so we don't have these endless, ruinously expensive campaigns.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:16 PM
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15. Um, Washington and Nebraska report delegates, not caucusers
:hi:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:17 PM
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17. So NE's caucuses are tiered? Are you sure of that?
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:19 PM
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18. Well I thought the caucus was much cooler than a primary
Everyone there was excited.
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StoryTeller Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:22 PM
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20. This is Nebraska's first caucus
And it was not well publicized until just the last month or so. I'm pretty politically aware, and I didn't hear about it until December. Also, for Douglas county (most populous county in the state) the caucuses were all held during the morning--competing with kids' activities, athletics, classes, work, and lots of other stuff.

Additionally, this is an extremely Republican dominated state. Our Democratic party has seemed all but dead at times. This has been an incredible boost of enthusiasm. At my caucus location, I saw friends and neighbors I didn't even realize were Democrats. Sometimes, it's easy to feel like you are the ONLY Democrat in the whole state. But today, we got to see that there are many more of us than we realized.

This has been an amazing day--regardless of which candidate came out on top. ALL Democrats in Nebraska won today. It was my first time caucusing, but I think one of the strengths of it is that you actually get to see that there are other people in your political party. It's an incredibly encouraging and unifying experience, even with the glitches, and even if we're sitting on opposite sides of the room to support our candidates.

I think this has the potential to reinvigorate the Democratic party in Nebraska. So maybe 2% is all that actually showed up this time. Gives us room to grow. But that 2% made history tonight, and every single one of us in that group should be proud of what we accomplished today.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:22 PM
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21. C'mon...
Any general election, let alone primaries and caucuses, is lucky to get anywhere NEAR 50% of the total population to vote. Now take those that have bothered to register, down to those who bother to vote, and divide it up between the two major parties, splintering off those that vote for "lesser" parties, and ya got...

a vast minority of people deciding the vote.

It sucks but...

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

Winston Churchill

:shrug:
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