I think we all know now, deep down, who the nominee will be.

[calteacherguy]

Don't we?

[gateley]

1. Read this article - It has me more confused than ever:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/09/wus509.xml

[DesertFlower]

15. i don't think he would "stand down".

the more i think about it, the more i would not want to see him as VP. if it was just hillary -- maybe. but it's bill and hillary.

[gateley]

34. I agree, which is why I was surprised that this article indicated that Obama's

camp might be considering it.

The Clintons have such a big presence, that I'm not sure somebody with as big a presence as Obama, would do well in the VP slot.

This whole campaign is a nail biter - no matter who one supports!

I'm uncommitted and I'm getting ulcers!

[DesertFlower]

47. i'm an obama supporter, but

i will support hillary 100% if she is the nominee.

[Kermitt Gribble]

52. I think

Obama would do well in the VP slot because his presence is so big. I think he would eventually overshadow Bill. I would be delighted with a split ticket - granted, I'd prefer Hillary on top of that ticket, but delighted either way. We'd have an unbelievable chance at 16 years of a Dem white house, with a possible Edwards as AG.

[Usrename]

59. That last part, I like it no matter who is in the Whitehouse.

JE for AG!

[windbreeze]

76. I am uncommitted and I can't stop shaking my head in wonder

at what seems to be going on...is this some kind of a phenomena? I don't get it...wb

[Prophet 451]

77. I think he'd make a great VP

and four or eight years as VP would solve my major concern about Obama (his lack of experiance) and set his up nicely as the logical candidate in the next GE.

[nonconformist]

41. What the hell?

Mr Obama has begun calling those "super delegates" - 795 congressmen and senior party officials who could break a dead heat - who are committed to Mrs Clinton, asking them to change their minds and help him wrap up the nomination.

As of tonight, the two candidates were neck and neck but Mr Obama appeared to be gaining momentum.

"He's saying: 'Hey, I won your state and I won your congressional district, why are you supporting her?'" a Democrat strategist revealed.

Does that mean he's also calling people like John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, and telling them they should back Hillary, because that's who their constituents chose?

[LaStrega]

66. ...

"...Mrs Clinton is planning to call on party grandees including Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House of Representatives and Harry Reid, the party's leader in the Senate, to persuade Mr Obama to stand down."

Oh. Those spineless twats? Pffffft.

[kikiek]

2. Yeah

LEXINGTON, Va. — After gathering information from polls, blogs and interviews with experts, students at Washington and Lee are giving the nod to Hillary Rodham Clinton in the country’s most accurate mock convention.

The Virginia liberal arts school’s contest has proven correct all but five times in the last 100 years. The school has only missed the mark once since 1948.
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/26/clinton-chosen-as-nominee-in-countrys-most-accurate-mock-convention/

[journalist3072]

3. Who? Jim Jones? I thought he was dead already. I guess he's come back in the form of Barack Obama.

[AX10]

4. I'll abstain.

Won't be the first time.

[journalist3072]

10. No cyanide for you buddy!!!

[chascarrillo]

12. You won't vote for the Democratic nominee?

Interesting.

[AX10]

20. Last night, the OP said he would vote for McCain...

if Hillary was the nominee.

[chascarrillo]

29. I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about you.

Interesting.

[EFerrari]

26. So tedious. n/t

[LowerManhattanite]

39. Delete

n't

[tblue37]

78. OMG! Are you LowerManhattanite from the Group News Blog?

If so, welcome to DU!

(Welcome anyway, even if you are not. Oops! Silly me--you've been here since 2004, just as I have; you just have a lower post count.)

[returnable]

46. Classy. Real classy.

Straight from the Limbaugh School of Elevated Political Discourse.

Try building up your own candidate instead of tearing down the victories of another. Bitterness is a wasted emotion.

[tridim]

48. Does it make you feel good comparing a good Democrat to a mass murderer?

It's really pathetic, and it's not welcome here. Read the rules.

I really don't think you're cut out for politics.

[journalist3072]

50. Did it ever occur to you, that I don't think Obama is a good Democrat?

I don't think making sexist comments like "Hillary Clinton was always the default candidate because she's Hillary Clinton and not Hillary Rodham" qualify Obama for the Democrat of the Year Award.

I don't think Obama is being a "good" Democrat when he constantly says that if he wins the nomination, Sen. Clinton's supporters will back him, but he doesn't believe his supporters will back her. He's sending a coded message to his supporters, NOT to back her. And who the hell does he think he is, to speak for me, a Clinton supporter. He says Clinton supporters will back him, but he doesn't think his supporters will back her. So now he thinks he can speak for Clinton supporters? Well, this is one Clinton supporter who will never pull a lever for Barack Obama.

[tridim]

51. So you DO think he's a mass murderer?

You're the one who made the comparison, back it up or leave. DU is for Democrats.

[journalist3072]

54. I think he has a lot of blind loyalists following him, just like Jim Jones...That's the issue I'm

dealing with---the issue of blind loyalty...and Obama supporters not wanting to hold him accountable for anything, or ask the important questions regarding his record. Hell...half of Obama's supporters can't even articulate in any substantive way, why they support him.

So yes, I do find a striking comparison to the Jim Jones situation, in terms of blind loyalty.

[tridim]

56. Whatever. Your cult crap is boring and childish.

Get with America, we're moving on.

[journalist3072]

57. I see you were not able to debunk anything I said, because you know it's the truth.

You haven't debunked anything I said. That speaks volumes.

[apocalypsehow]

60. The poster did not have to "debunk" anything you posted in this thread,

because it is absurd on its face. Jim Jones = Senator Obama? WTF? I didn't think right-wing shills were allowed to post here??? I'll have to go re-read the rules. And yes, the fact that you're posting such silliness does, indeed, "speaks volumes".

[journalist3072]

61. Actually...yes, they did. That was their opportunity to show they are not just blindly getting

behind Obama.

They could have used the opportunity to state SUBSTANTIVE reaons why they support Obama. And I'm not talking about the B.S. "He gives me hope" or "He's not Clinton."

I'm talking about specific policy reasons for supporting Obama.

They could have held him accountable for his relationship with a slum landlord.

So the poster proved my point about the blind loyalty.

[apocalypsehow]

63. You really don't understand how logical argumentation and debate

works, do you? You are the one who made the accusation, so it is incumbent upon you to prove your thesis. As I said above, your silly post really is unworthy of being dignified, comparing as it does a prominent Democratic Senator with a murderous cult leader. I thought shilling for Right-wing talking points wasn't allowed here, but you are doing it, so I guess I was wrong.

[journalist3072]

69. Actually, I did prove my point....I articulated that Obama supporters can't even say WHY they

support him.

They don't think he should be held accountable for his dealings with a slum landlord.

They haven't asked the tough questions about his record.

They are operating on blind loyalty.

I more than proved my point. And YOU are proving it for me even further, by not articulating why you support Obama..IF you even know why.

[apocalypsehow]

71. You proved nothing - just posted more dribble asserting you'd

"proved" your rather silly point. Lame stuff.

[anigbrowl]

64. Trolling...

...is pretty obvious. When you start writing substantive posts on why you think Hillary Clinton is a better choice for the nomination, you'll get substantive replies. If you want to toss mud and see what sticks, keep at it but don't expect anyone to take these 'arguments' seriously.

[apocalypsehow]

65. My thoughts exactly. Excellent post!

[Name removed]

72. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[apocalypsehow]

74. Ah, and now come the ad hominems. Typical of the intellectually feeble,

the angry special pleaders, and other such pitiful savants.

[journalist3072]

70. Actually, I have articulated right here on DU..why I support Sen. Clinton. Go here....

This is a post I did, about why I support Sen. Clinton. Please read:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4396491

[apocalypsehow]

73. But that was not what the replier had pointed out,

or questioned, and you well know it. Professional logical fallacy employer's-R-Us seems to be your theme song.

[dionysus]

55. awww, you skipped your thorazine today...

here's your blanky

[journalist3072]

58. And I see you have your cyanide right by you....Enjoy! eom

[Whisp]

75. you want to talk about dead bodies? how about those in Iraq?

you want to talk about who owns a part of that carnage?

no, didn't think so.

[NightWatcher]

5. I'm afraid HIllary Clinton will use her pull within the DNC and DLC to get the nomination

that is why I believe just as I did back in 2006, that we must win by a huge margin so that it will not be easy to take it from us.

[maximusveritas]

17. That's what I think as well

Either Florida or Michigan's delegates will be forced in or she will get more superdelegates. And then Dean will force her to pick Obama as her VP to preserve some sense of unity.

[napi21]

35. I don't think so. The next month or so will tell for sure. I don't buy all

this BS about the contest going to the convention or that Super Delegates will make the final decision. I think that's what the media would love...Matthews has said several times how much he would LOVE a brokered convention! A few weeks ago, I wasn't too sure just how much support Barack would really get in States that don't have a large black population, but with each primary/caucus, it appears not to be an issue. I honestly think Barack is going to be the Dem nominee. I only have one GREAT FEAR!!!! I'm afraid that November is sooo far away, people will lose their enthusiasm, and the voter turnout in the GE will do us in once again! It's very encouraging that Dem voters FAR outnumber Pubs in EVERY primary, but a lot of those voters are young new voters. I've heard way too many times that "XXXXX election will hinge a lot on the youth vote" and then when it comes time to actually get their little butts to the polls in November, they don't show up! I HOPE I'm proven wrong this time!!!!!!!!!!!

[lutefisk]

37. There will be outrage from Obama supporters, but Clinton's it.

It was decided long ago. Unfortunately, I don't see her winning by a huge margin, so hello President McCain.

[wildflowergardener]

62. bug

Completely unrelated to the subject - but I thought there was a real bug on my screen.

Meg

[Straight Shooter]

67. I was looking at your word "bug," and thought, "Weird, there's a bug on my screen."

That little critter fools me every time I see it.

[no name no slogan]

6. Lee L. Mercer Jr. is already the secret President of the U.S.

He will eventually be the regular president of the U.S. (all three)

[blogslut]

As long as Jeb Bush stop being all up in his house

And stops trying to keep killing his mother

[no name no slogan]

36. He already killed his sexlife

and the sexlife of his wife, his two sons, and his step-daughters too.

At least with Mercer administration, we won't have to worry about any sexual shenanigans.

[blogslut]

43. Eye Spy!

Go Mercer!

signed,

A former Walken supporter

:hi:

[WillyT]

24. He's My New Second Choice !!!

LOL!

:hi:

[no name no slogan]

38. all three

:thumbsup:

[Big Blue Marble]

7. I sure think we do.

[OhioChick]

8. Sure Do. n/t

[boomboom]

9. GOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[msongs]

11. if we're lucky, Al Gore will save us from HillaryObama - now that would a real messiah nt

[DesertFlower]

22. forget about it. nt

[lutefisk]

31. It's not impossible. There are scenarios. Not likely, but possible.

Gore is the right person at the right time. If George W, Bush can become POTUS (twice!), almost anything is possible...

I'm not going to forget about it. :hi: :patriot:

[DesertFlower]

49. i just went to smash a little bug that was crawling

on my screen and realized it's part of your post. good thing my cat didn't see it. :)

i think gore likes his new life. it would be interesting though to see if he endorses someone.

[XemaSab]

13. McCain?

:shrug:

[sandnsea]

14. I still have my pillow handy

Sorry, I won't believe Clinton has stepped aside and Obama is really the candidate until he's sworn in as President. lol.

[Skittles]

16. we just don't know who the president will be nt

[jillan]

18. Hey - which ever one wins is fine with me.

[Guava Jelly]

19. I want to believe

[karlrschneider]

21. And will lose 50 states in the general election. Yup.

...

[AX10]

23. No, but McCain will get 300 EV's.

Still a stinging loss.

[karlrschneider]

32. Same end result, just another way to enumerate it.

I do think Hillary just might barely pull it off...Obama no way. There are millions of Americans who aren't really
racists yet aren't ready to actually cast a vote for a black guy. I take no pleasure in making that observation and some assholes will jump up and call me a racist for doing so but what is is what it is.

[Unsane]

25. Obama

[keep_it_real]

27. All I can say is this

Hil's speech was good but Obama's made me cry.

[Political Heretic]

28. Cthulu??

[mathewsleep]

40. yes,

ohh yes.

[madrchsod]

30. you mean hillary?

texas and ohio have`t voted yet...

[backscatter712]

33. I hope so, but don't count those chickens.

There's still a long way to go.

[JBoy]

42. Yup.

[AtomicKitten]

44. I know deep down who I want the nominee to be.

Haven't started measuring for drapes quite yet. ;)

[DemGa]

45. Hillary Clinton of course...nt

[Kermitt Gribble]

53. Don't count your chickens...n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

68. Hillary. I'll Bet Ya 100 Bucks On It.