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Sun Feb-10-08 12:30 AM
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Exit polling showed that 67% of HRC supporters would not |
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support another candidate other than HRC. The same poll showed that Obama people would not support anyone but obama by 41%.....
If obama happens to win this thing then what I posted last night is more true today then ever. People are saying that if Obama is the nominee that the Clinton supporters will be split whether to vote or not vote for Obama, while saying that Obama supporters might not support Clinton. As a Clinton supporter I'm having a hard time warming up to Obama. Many of us really like Hillary and Bill Clinton and we want to go back to the days of peace and prosperity and real solutions to real problems.
So when Obama surrogate call Bill Clinton a racist, we resent it. When Obama says that Hillary is in the pocket of the lobbyists, we resent it. When we hear Obama surrogates talking about the Clintons the way the Republicans talk about the Clintons, we really resent it.
Many of us are very deeply offended and I'm trying to like Obama and it's just not happening. I would warn Obama supporters that being anti-Clinton might result in a Republican president. And if the exit polling tonight from Clinton supporters is any indication of supporting Obama in November it will not happen......
Oh and this will play out if obama gets the nomination. Oh say after the dem convention sometime in Late August or September, bush comes on national tv and tells the country that Iraq has put forth a government and the parliment has been seated and now the iraqi people have a working government and if things continue as they have then we will be able to bring home at least 20 to 30 thousand of our brave men and women. uh huh you don't think this could happen? Now where would this leave Obama? This could very well happen.....oh and remember that iraq vote you wanted hrc to apologize for? this would not play against her....this will play against the anti war from the start candidate Obama....
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:32 AM
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1. People say this all the time during the heat of primaries. Same was true in 2004. |
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:00 AM
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31. Yep. There was even an acronym I remember quite well-- |
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NBD = Nobody But Dean. Anyone remember that? It didn't last very long after the primary.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:32 AM
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2. Vote for Hillary........OR ELSE !!!!!!! |
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:29 AM
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41. I'd call that ....ummmm ....IMMATURE! Imagine that! |
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:47 AM
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...You know, because she's evil :D
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:32 AM
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3. This is JUST Louisiana. |
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:32 AM
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4. They won't vote Democratic when the choice is either that or McCain? |
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:37 AM
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14. They won't vote, period. |
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I'm still trying to convince a friend of mine to vote for the DEM nominee. I'm committed to doing so, but this bickering between Obama-Clinton supporters is ugly.
I understand the OP. I've seen Obama reach across the aisle to republicans (who voted for the WAR, too, btw), so I know he likes some people. Yet, he seems to only attack Dems. <cringe> Not good.
Obama and Clinton both have spouses who have big mouths, too. They're not helping patch things up.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:43 AM
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I can't fathom that Democrats will stay at home and run the risk of what would essentially be a 4 year extension of the Bush administration. The house, senate, and the oval office is ours for the taking, and I mean BIG, working majorities not seen since the 1970's.
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:52 AM
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After all, the one thing we all agree on is we can't have another repig in the White House.
I think good sense will prevail after the initial disappointment of their candidate losing the nom, whether it be Obama or Hillary.
Peace:thumbsup:
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:32 AM
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5. This is a Louisiana-only poll; and Louisiana is WEIRD. |
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:33 AM
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Seriously, what?
I voted for Hillary. I gather you support her. I have no idea what you just said.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:33 AM
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I don't think that's exactly what those Hillary supporters said.
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:21 AM
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38. Yeah, A link might give some legitimacy.....so far I see nothing but conjecture |
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:33 AM
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8. Thank You For You Concern... |
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:34 AM
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9. Barack Obama has been constantly saying that if he gets the nomination, |
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Sen. Clinton's supporters will back him, but he's not sure his supporters will back her.
I take extreme offense to that.
One, I'm a Clinton supporter. And who the hell is Barack Obama to think he can speak for me, by saying I will vote for him if he's the nominee? How does he think he can speak for supporters of Sen. Clinton?
Moreover, I think that his constant talking point that all of Sen. Clinton's supporters will back him, but he doesn't think his supporters will back her...seems like a coded message. He seems to sending the message to his supporters, that he doesn't want them to support her, if she's the nominee.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:36 AM
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13. he is quite arroqant at times |
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:42 AM
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18. At times? How about all the time, lol. |
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:55 AM
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25. Way too generous, lol!!!!! :) |
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:52 AM
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who is a republican. She will vote Obama but not Clinton. She just can't stand Clinton.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:58 AM
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28. Yea, because you know, Hillary Clinton is the devil reincarnated. Meanwhile, Obama is the Coming |
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Messiah. He can do no wrong. He walks on water. He parted the seas, don't you know?
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:47 AM
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She likes Huckabee too for his personality. I don't think she has any idea of his policies. She is military nurse and remembers when Clinton cut funding and it caused some hardships. That is her main beef with the Clintons along with the Monica/lying thing. She is not crazy about McCain so she is picking Obama. Her first time voting Dem. Believe me she does not think Obama walks on water.
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:20 AM
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37. If he is the nominee.......I would hope you would do |
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whats best for your family and yourself. And thats vote for the DEM nominee. Unless you want to trust McCain.....If he is the nominee, you can beat your ass there is going to be a draft. Because they are going to need them to fight his wars.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:35 AM
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10. The question was "would you be satisfied" |
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poor wording of the question leads to ambiguous results
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:35 AM
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11. I don't believe that for one second. |
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Since when have the polls been right? They are getting everything wrong this year.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:36 AM
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12. Everyone says that during the primaries. |
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Ask the same question in October and the answer will be very different. NO democrat wants a McCain presidency ... and many republicans don't want it either. :P
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:37 AM
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15. THIS IS ONLY FOR LOUSIANA NOT THE WHOLE COUNTRY |
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You forgot to mention that.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:40 AM
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:41 AM
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17. David Duke got a majority of the white vote in Louisiana - nuff said |
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:47 AM
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20. If he and his followers didn't talk like Repukes, it might be a different |
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:47 AM
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here on DU, it used to be a nono quoting from M$M (CNN - Clinton News Network) their misleading meme, take a second and think about this, now.....does it make sense to you, I guess it does hence the thread.
During 2004 campaign folks that post everything and anything where considered passersby, and just wanting some attention, funny how DU has changed these last couple of years. I do believe this forum have changed drastically, I see us accepting thrash that we never used to before....what a shame.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:54 AM
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24. I'm not too crazy about either one - but I'll def. vote for Hillary. Probably for Obama. |
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I don't know very much about Obama but he rubs me the wrong way with his "preachy" style. I did NOT like the way he looked at Hillary during the debates - he looked like he thought she was "beneath" him - as a woman that was a big tunoff to me. If some horrible stuff were to come out about Obama - I couldn't vote for him.
I definitely would NOT vote for McCain, however.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:56 AM
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26. If true, both sides are full of shit and need to grow the fuck up. |
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Unless they really believe a John Sidney "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" McCain, III, Presidency would be preferable.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:57 AM
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27. If everyone had a donut before they were asked, they'd be nicer. |
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Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 12:59 AM by Kurovski
Edit: or in this case, beignets.
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:46 AM
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45. Donuts cure just about everything.... |
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:donut:
and it's so nice to see you! :loveya:
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Sun Feb-10-08 02:09 AM
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I'm a delegate for your boyfriend Barack, now. That homo-hater. :evilgrin:
You know, I posted a donut comment on a thread about gun violence, because I thought they were talking about how people on DU HAVE BEEN TREATING each other. See how far we have fallen? Or something?
It was too late to edit when I realized that the OP wasn't about DUers. Yipes. Oh well.
Happy Crazy-Time!!! :loveya:
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Sun Feb-10-08 02:42 PM
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That's a surprise - I thought you were still voting for JE. Barack is one lucky guy if he's got you as a delegate! I have a feeling, if he can pull this off, that JE might be AG, and a very good one.
I think a thread about gun violence and donuts can fit in almost anywhere on here - you are far more mature than I, as I just can't stay away from some of the threads I should, but maybe I'll just post about gun violence and donuts from now on - in every thread! This IS my first primary on here, and it's been interesting...or something! :donut: :hug:
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Sun Feb-10-08 03:03 PM
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I can and will vote for JE on the 19th, as a statement. It's weird here in WA this year. The primary on the 19th is basically for purposes of a headline. WA has already decided, or something.
Did you know that I voted for Obama as my Senator? I did. I'm not crazy. Just all over the map.
Can't you talk Obama into having JE as VP? C'mon. Please? For me and Wetzelbill?
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Sun Feb-10-08 04:08 PM
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I thought he already won WA, so now you've given me a headache - what's more, I KNOW WA isn't in IL, so I have even more of a headache.
You're mistaken, you ARE crazy but in the very best of ways. :loveya:
It just sounds like you get to vote more than me, and that's not fair!
Next time (the first time) I talk to Obama, I'll discuss that with him. For you and Wetzelbill, I'd do anything. I expect him to call me any day now...I've been waiting. Hillary called me, but I hung up on her in the middle of her robo call.
I think JE could do more as AG, but I really don't know what I'm talking about. I also think he (JE), with his delegates, is in a good bargaining position, and that Obama could have almost anyone as his running mate and win. I'm not so sure that's true of our other potential candidate. JE and Obama have more in common than JE and Hillary, so I think anything's possible there.
Most importantly, donuts help stop gun violence! :donut:
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Sun Feb-10-08 02:20 AM
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51. And another thing, a donut is no cure for heart disease. |
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But I knew what you meant.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:58 AM
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29. I'm pretty sure the wording was "Would you be SATISFIED... |
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... if the other candidate won."
That can mean so many different things. Disappointment, namely. But the question was not "Would you SUPPORT" or "Would you VOTE FOR."
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:00 AM
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30. Reading tea leaves from exit polls is so...7th grade. eom |
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:09 AM
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32. You know what else hasn't been mentioned in a long time? |
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Green Party members. Less than a year ago, I was seeing a little brainstorming on DU about how to lure the Greenies to vote Dem. I doubt that any true Greenie would anyway, but my point is: The Dem Party is so fractured right now, no one has even thought about this in a very long time.
In the end, if the GOP wins the GE (and at this point, I'd say that's even money), it'll be High Hypocrisy Day when DUers try to lay the blame on the Greens, again, for being the spoilers... when the Dems haven't even tried to draw the Greens into a coalition.
I'm not a registered Green, but I keep an ear to the ground -- and the Greens see no difference whatsoever between Obama and Clinton. Right now, any Dem who at this late stage tried to reach them would be laughed off the face of the earth.
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Sun Feb-10-08 03:17 PM
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57. Fair enough if they see no difference between Obama and Clinton... |
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but if they see no difference between those two and McCain, well... In any case, if the Greens are 'laughing' at the Dems, they're stupid...they can take their ball and go home, and cast a protest vote for Nader if it strokes their egos, but then they deserve the McCain presidency that they helped to bring about.
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:09 AM
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33. This is a VERY false post... |
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The wording was "would you be satisfied with Obama." I saw the clip on MSNBC, too, and even they disputed the wording. Again, this is JUST Louisiana, and it was asking if Hilary supporters would be "satisfied".
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:10 AM
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34. I'd say, " you're grasping for straws." |
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60% of voters would support Obama in the GE, yet only 47% would back Clinton.
It's going to be a hard fall for you and a few others.....
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:11 AM
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35. I thought 67% said they'd be "dissatisfied"? That does not mean they would not support |
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another candidate.
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:17 AM
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36. I believe this was only in Louisiana. And the fact that 50% of the voters |
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there think the economy is actually good. Lets you know how ridiculous those people think. whomever we nominate is going to have to win without the South anyway. Florida is out of touch as well. Another Repuke Governor, Repuke State Legislation, etc..
Keep the Blue States. Flip Iowa and NM back. And Flip VA, OH, and COL. Thats our strategy to win. The South is no place for out two candidates. Although its possible NC and GA could be in play if the African American voters have record turnouts.
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:26 AM
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39. As stated this is Looooziana... |
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It is a noteworthy number precisely because it is not representative of what people have been saying to date. Hillary got 70+% of the white vote. It is reasonable to conclude that many whites in Louisiana aren't ready for a black president. I am from the deep south and used to live on the Gulf Coast in Mississippi. I walked into a parts store one day and out of the blue, not knowing me at all, the white, middle aged store clerk (I think he was the owner actually) asked me if I was going to the "big event" that weekend. I asked what he was talking about and he replied that "at the fairgrounds they're going to lay 20 ni###rs side by side and attempt to jump over them with a bulldozer". He thought that was great humor. I don't know his political orientation as I didn't speak with him further.
I have repeatedly butted heads with an aunt that insists whites aren't descended from apes, but that blacks clearly are. In all seriousness she points to dark human skin and black primate fur and says that is "proof". I kid you not. She was a Dem until the day she died 2 years ago.
Bigotry is alive and well and it isn't limited to the Republican party. I'm NOT accusing Hillary of attracting racists for any reason other than the color of her skin. It is just that if a person is a committed Dem, and a racists, where else are they going to be lurking.
For the record, I also know a lot of people from the south that haven't got a racist bone in their body, and I'm sure many of them also support Hillary.
On edit: Also for the record: the OP should have clearly stated the origin of the stat; it was dishonest not to.
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An hour ago the teevee told me that 84% of Democrats were happy with both candidates!
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:34 AM
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42. Link please? Or I won't buy it |
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I won't buy this without a link to it.
I've heard dozens of stories about independents and moderate republicans disgusted with the current direction of their party who say they would vote for Obama in the general election, but not Hillary, I've even heard some stories about some young new voters who would vote if Obama got the nomination, but stay home if Hillary got it. How many stories have I heard of Hillary supporters who either never voted before, or aren't democrats, and support Hillary but wouldn't support Obama in a general election? Zero, that's how many.
I don't doubt that there's some Hillary supporters would vote for McCain if Obama got the nomination, but I just think there's way more Obama supporters then Hillary supporters who would actually go through with their threat of not voting, or voting for McCain if the person they support doesn't get the nomination.
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:39 AM
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43. Dubious polling, sounds like defeatist suppression polling......... |
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designed to give the Rethug the upper hand. In other words its all BULLSHIT by design. If there are any Democrats here that will not vote for the nominee then your all DINO's and you might as well admit to defeat.
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:46 AM
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44. Exit polling? Bull. Gotta link? nt |
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Sun Feb-10-08 02:11 AM
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50. is that exit poll from tonight? |
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Sun Feb-10-08 02:45 PM
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53. That's according to CNN in Louisiana alone. But you're free to feel the same way. |
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Sun Feb-10-08 03:12 PM
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55. Why are you just criticizing Obama supporters? |
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I don't see you calling out Clinton supporters, even though by your own post, they are more likely to refuse to vote for Obama than the other way around.
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Sun Feb-10-08 03:14 PM
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56. This is a crude distortion, not surprising from you. |
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Hysterical threats won't make us Obama supporters go away.
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Sun Feb-10-08 03:38 PM
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59. I'm sick of these posts |
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This website has seriously turned into an anti-obama site. The self righteousness that comes from Clinton supporters is appalling, you act like you yourself aren't guilty of these things at all? Bill Clinton made headlines for weeks because some of his unfair, ridiculous attacks on Obama. Have you ever thought about basing Obama based upon his own statements and positions, and not what someone who is merely associated him says. I am just shocked that DU supports someone so corporate, and far right as Hillary Clinton.
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