Is Hillary's new "Ohio/Texas strategy" the same as Rudy's "Florida" strategy?

[Obamaniac]

I'm just wondering, because it seems that she is all but conceding all the races in between. Can you imagine what the national narrative will be if Hillary keeps losing by the numbers she lost tonight?

She will be done BEFORE people in Ohio and Texas even vote.

Also, I think you people put way too much faith in those two states. At this point she needs to win both, and probably by convincing margins, just to stay relevant. Tonight, officially, Obama moved into the lead in the national popular vote; he has won more states than her (20 to her 11); he has probably tied her in delegates (even if you include her "super-delegates"). Wouldn't you Clinton supporters agree that if she fails to win either Ohio or Texas then her campaign is pretty much over? Even if she ties, Obama will essentially win because he is racking up so many delegates now.

But I think, just as Rudy's Florida strategy was a failure, so too will Hillary's Ohio/Texas strategy be a failure. She will lose every primary from here to March 4 and the story will be how Obama has won this state and that state, and by the time we get to Ohio and Texas she will be so battered that she won't win.

Just a hunch.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

[sjdnb]

1. Strategy - smategy ... fact is we are all gonna lose

out this cycle ... the powers/M$M/etc have spoken. Progressive issues have been laid to rest. It's better for the 'party'.

[tekisui]

17. As desperate as it is,

the only Progressives that can actually make the needed changes are those that are in office. And, they all have a "D" by their name. The "party" isn't all roses, but it is the only place you find Progressives in position to change things.

Half of the Democrats are True Progressives. A strong Democratic Majority means those Progressives will at least be heard. And some of the Progressive's agenda will be heard. And, some of the Progressive's Laws will be written.

Today, the best we can do is a Progressive voice in a Democratic Majority.

[bigdarryl]

2. I agree with everything you said shes relying to much on OH and PA in fact

I think she could even possibly loose both states.

[Obamaniac]

5. Unfortunately, Clinton is all about spin...

...that's been her problem. I'm guessing that she will try to spin a victory in either Ohio or Texas, but the truth is it's no longer about spin. Spin works after Iowa or New Hampshire, not after 30 primary/caucus elections. Now it's about cold-hard numbers. It's about L's and W's. Most importantly it's about delegates, and I can't imagine any "super-delegate" supporting Hillary is she loses the popular vote, the assigned delegate race AND the majority of states.

Right now she is in serious danger of doing just that.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

21. Ohio elections are a mess

The SOS has set it up so that ballots are not counted at the polling places but will be carted off
mid day and at the end of the day to the county office and then tabulated.

Voting activists have raised heck about this but its happening anyway.

By not counting the ballots at the polling places, this leaves room for shennanigans in between the
polling places and the county offices.

We saw the hanky pankie in New Mexico where ballot boxes went home with a party boss.

[blogslut]

3. I so wanna make a difference in March

But I would be fine if I didn't have to. :)

[sfam]

4. Hillary is LOTS more politically astute than Rudy...if she's waiting out..

there, its because she's out of resources to do otherwise. Unlike Rudy, she wouldn't be thinking this was a great idea. That said, I think she puts up a big fight in Wisconsin, and she probably will win tomorrow.

[Obamaniac]

6. I seriously doubt she wins tomorrow...

Not after the knock she took tonight.

[x-g.o.p.er]

7. Apples and oranges...

Rudy didn't do squat before Florida, Hillary has done a lot. I think she'll do well in a couple states before OH/TX, and she might have some momentum going into those contests. Rudy had nothing, except the "paying-of-the-security-guards-so-he-could-fool-around-on-his-wife scandal", not the kind of momentum builder you want going into a do or die primary, lol.

Hillary's campaign is foundering, but she's far from finished, and even if she loses Ohio, Texas, or both, I don't think it will be enough for Obamna to secure the nomination.

I honestly think we're going to the convention with no nominee declared. It's gonna get interesting.

[NJSecularist]

10. If Hillary loses Ohio and Texas, she is done

Period. End of story.

Just look at the scenario. Obama will have every single important state after February 5th if he wins Ohio and Texas. She doesn't stand a chance of winning the nomination if that story unfolds.

[OzarkDem]

8. New GOP meme

I guess "change" was getting old.

[NJSecularist]

12. You ever get tired of spewing your hate-filed filth?

[Hill_YesWeWill]

9. Nice name! You'd think that would've already been taken,

I'm not trying to be mean by the way, I really do think it's cute!

Anyway, I hope her strategy doesn't work out like Rudy's, but, people seem to really be taken with Obama, he's doing really well, I think he definately has the upper hand in all the rest of the contests,

I hate to say it, if she keeps losing contest by +30% margins she's going to need to do the right thing and concede,

Now wait, I'm not saying the time for that is now, but it's conceivable that it could come to this

[Hailtothechimp]

11. Texas is Hill Country!

Here's a fun link (not political at all) http://www.texashillcountry.com/

Maybe she can get a bus to drive around a racetrack or something....

[pop goes the weasel]

23. did you have a point?

Or are you just trying to sell some real estate?

[ShadowLiberal]

13. No it's not, unlike Rudy she's campaigning in states & putting up commercials

I'm an Obama supporter and I strongly disagree with the "Hillary is using Rudy's failed strategy" line that everyone keeps on saying. Yes it's true that Obama has the advantage in a lot of the states that vote next, while Hillary has the advantage in Texas and Ohio for now, but Hillary hasn't been ignoring the other states like Rudy was. She's been putting up advertising in some states before they vote. I can't say which ones off the top of my head, but I know she had commercials in 2 of the 3 states that voted last night, and I think she's advertising in Virginia and Maine to. Plus we don't see her camped out in Ohio and Texas while Obama is the only one to visit the states that vote next, she's visited just about all of them lately I believe.

[CalGator]

14. she can air all the commercials she wants

Perception is reality to many voters. The bandwagon effect is far stronger than campaign commercials. If Hillary doesn't win a single state in the 4 weeks between Super Tuesday and March 4 she stands a darn good chance of losing both OH and TX.

[see_key]

15. Hillary has a total of 1 173 delegats, Obama has 1 094 = Hillary is still leading with 79 delegates

You are all forgetting something here:

http://edition.cnn.com/POLITICS/

According to CNN, Obama got 74 delegates today, and Clinton got 37.
But Michigan's Democratic national convention, have decided that Clinton will get 73 pledged delegates after winning 55 percent of the statewide vote in January. There are another 55 delegates that will be officially uncommitted to any candidate since 40 percent of the Democratic voters chose uncommitted on the ballot.

In a best case scenario: Obama will get all 55.

And if we use the CNN delegate count;
74 today for Obama + 55 in Michigan = 129
37 today for Clinton + 73 in Micigan = 110

The total delegate count for Clinton wil then be; 1 100( as of today) + 73 delegates from Michigan = 1 173
The total delegate count for Obama wil then be; 1 039( as of today) + 55 delegates from Michigan = 1 094

= Hillary is still leading with 79 delegates


http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/politics-1/1202521446263830.xml&storylist=newsmichigan

[chascarrillo]

16. In case you haven't heard, Michigan gets no delegates.

[see_key]

20. party leaders expect the delegates to be seated at the national convention

Michigan has been stripped of its delegates for moving up its primary, but party leaders expect the delegates to be seated at the national convention.

However, that outlook contradicts a statement released Friday evening by the Democratic National Committee.

"Contrary to published reports, there were no delegates at stake during the Michigan primary on January 15 and, accordingly, the state party has no delegates to allocate," the statement said.

The Democratic National Committee is asking Michigan and Florida — which was stripped of its delegates after moving its primary to Jan. 29 — to consider holding another primary contest such as a caucus that meets DNC rules so their delegates can be seated at the convention.

That looks unlikely. Florida Democratic Party officials said earlier this week they don't intend to hold another election, and one of Michigan's U.S. senators said Friday that he doesn't expect his state to hold another contest, either.

"I don't see a practical way to hold a caucus in Michigan," Sen. Carl Levin of Detroit said in a statement. "Given that 600,000 Michigan voters participated in a primary that was held in accordance with Michigan law, it seems to me that it would not be practical or fair to throw out the results of that election."

The stakes are increasingly high as Obama and Clinton compete for the delegates they need to win the party's presidential nomination, a contest that could stretch to the spring.

The eventual winner could be decided at the Democratic National Convention, which makes the question of whether the Michigan and Florida delegates are seated an important strategic point.

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/politics-1/1202521446263830.xml&storylist=newsmichigan

[Lisa0825]

19. ditto the previous post on Michigan, but

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[sueh]

22. Do not count the Michigan delegates before they're hatched...

and a hearty Welcome to DU :hi:

[Exultant Democracy]

18. It is called the Double Giuliani Gambit. Classic primary move.

[abburdlen]

24. Inconcivable!

She fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is never get involved in a caucus war in red states; but only slightly less well known is this: never go in against Obama, when an election is on the line!

[Exultant Democracy]

26. lol, I wonder where all the GE money that she has sitting around will go?

[Carrieyazel]

25. Big difference with Guiliani. Hillary's actually won 1100 delegates.

Guiliani got 1.

[goodgd_yall]

27. She's not doing what Rudy did

She will be going to most every state to campaign even if Obama is favored to take it. Rudy just disappeared until Florida.