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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:07 AM
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The question 'Are we ready for a Black President' is in my opinion, a racist one...
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 03:20 AM by truthpusher
.... why do I say this? Because making a statement like that perpetuates racism and separation of peoples based on race. Being a 'racist' does not always mean that you 'hate' another race. It can also mean that you are using 'race' topics to bring about separation to better your own agenda. I am now hearing the line 'Are we ready for a Black President' being echoed often... it really does need to stop.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:12 AM
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1. I just prefer to say "hell yes, we are!"
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:16 AM
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2. but it is really starting to bother me that most people are still ok with...
using the language of Racism... I heard it all day today on the MSM and always get the feeling that they are using this rhetoric to bring about separation and to create raced based division.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:26 AM
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4. Then use "what a silly question!"
you make a decent point
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:31 AM
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8. is it also racist?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:32 AM
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9. It's just something to fill up airtime
Yeah it's annoying but since we've never had a black president the novelty factor is unavoidable. When there's a serious Asian-american candidate running for office in some years to come the same sort of question will be asked.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:37 AM
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12. But don't you think it's about time to call it for what it is....
whether it's making a big deal about Romney being Mormon, Hilary a woman or Obama being black... these questions are being brought up only to incite.

If we as a society have agreed to make other things, across the board, socially unacceptable... why not this type of talk... why not now?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:24 AM
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3. It has moved from a question
to an intentionally divisive ploy for some, I agree. I get even more annoyed at the people who say we have to elect a different candidate to appeal to certain regions of the country, and then deny the reason to do that is clearly based on racism and sexism.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:28 AM
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5. My neighbor said that was the reason why she would not vote for Obama...
because America is not ready 'for a black president'
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:35 AM
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11. So your neighbor's an idiot
It's not your problem. You can't legislate changes in attitude, they have to happen at their own pace. It's like that old proverb 'you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.' It's more practical and less stressful to either ignore the question or just answer it in the affirmative. Demanding that the question cease to be asked will just cause you to get accused of censorship by people who feel you're shutting down their right to express themselves by wondering out loud about the issue.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:41 AM
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13. of course, it would need to be addressed appropriately, at the right time, to the right persons...
...but tell me this much... when did we all decide that is was not appropriate to do all of the other things (examples spared) that are now considered socially unacceptable. Don't you think it's time to start calling this language what it is?
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:49 AM
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16. actually, my neighbor is pretty great...
...that's what got me thinking... even the people, who I think are thoughtful people... are repeating the racist memes?
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:29 AM
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6. Why not just reframe the question?
Are we ready for a President who is NOT a Bush or a Clinton?

Can we end this 28 year cycle of insanity and restore this country?

YES WE CAN!! :bounce: :woohoo: :kick:
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:47 AM
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15. it still wouldn't hurt to call it what it is.... I think it can be addressed in a way not to offend.
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CalGator Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:31 AM
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7. America is not ready for a *black* president
America is ready for the best presidential candidate that shares its values. That President will be Barack Obama.

There are millions of Americans who hate categorizing a candidate by race, gender, etc.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:44 AM
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14. How bout, is America ready for another 'Really Tall and Skinny' President?
it's all so fucking stupid.
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CalGator Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:55 AM
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18. don't forget his funny name
Can America ever get over him being a skinny kid with a funny name?
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BayouBengal07 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:33 AM
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10. It's horseshit.
1. "Ready" implies ready for a change, meaning that a black presidency will somehow be different than a white one. It doesn't have to be.

2. Is there a checklist we can visit to see if we are ready? What are the prerequisites? Anyone?

It's a stupid ass question.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:49 AM
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17. We're ready. See the Show 24! They beat us to it....
but we are currently catching up! :thumbsup:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:58 AM
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19. It's only the Obama people who keep pushing this forward in order
to keep the issue of race front and center. He decided to cast himself as the black candidate in South Carolina and had his surrogates label anything the Clintons said as racist.

It's a pretty disingenuous argument and a cry baby way of running a campaign.


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CalGator Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:41 AM
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21. wow. just wow.
If Bill Clinton isn't running his mouth off about Jesse winning the SC primaries in 84 and 88 Hillary still has a chance in hades of winning the nomination. The only racism that emerged in this campaign was brought on by Hillary subordinates. Hopefully shr sees the light early enough to endorse him in Denver this Summer.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:00 PM
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29. I think at this point... we are all guilty of trying to find leverage through the topic.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:59 PM
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28. anybody who uses racism for personal gain should question themselves and ask....
why do I need to lower the discourse?
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:19 AM
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20. if, ready for a black president needs to stop, then ready for a woman president also needs to stop.
and by the way, barack obama is a black man, and hillary clinton is a woman.
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CalGator Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:43 AM
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22. you're right
it' not about black or white, male or female. It is about who is best for America. Once we have a sure candidate then the Obama supporters (such as myself) and Hillary supporters need to support the candidate.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:57 PM
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27. absolutely
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:45 AM
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23. I'm ready for change and I 'm ready to go.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 07:54 AM
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24. I'm ready for a President
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 07:54 AM by shadowknows69
Haven't had one of those for a while. I don't care if he/she/it is plaid colored.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:46 AM
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25. my theory is that most people who ask that question are NOT; it's about them and their covert racism
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:05 AM
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26. It's a question, not a statement. As far as intellectual curiosity goes, it's not racist...
...but when the same stupid framing keeps getting brought up with endless hand-wringing, we have to suspect that racism either underlies the question or is being deliberately baited by it.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:05 PM
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30. Relevance
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/02/10/the_irrelevance_of_obamas_color/

The irrelevance of Obama's color

By Jeff Jacoby
Globe Columnist / February 10, 2008

ON THE SUBJECT of Black History Month, I'm with Morgan Freeman, who described it a few years ago as "ridiculous" - for the excellent reason that "black history is American history," not some segregated addendum to it. The only way to get beyond racial divisions, he told Mike Wallace of "60 Minutes," is to "stop talking about it. I'm going to stop calling you a white man, and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man."

Amen to that. The sooner we resolve to abandon the labels "black" and "white," the sooner we will be a society in which such racial labels are irrelevant. And what better moment to make such a resolution than this one, when white Americans by the millions are proving that the color of a person's skin is no longer a bar to anything in this country - not even the presidency.

Whether or not Barack Obama's bid for the White House ultimately succeeds, it has already demolished the canard that America will not elect a black president. His impressive win over Hillary Clinton in the Iowa caucuses could perhaps be dismissed as a fluke, but after Super Tuesday there is not much left to argue about. Obama carried 13 states last week, and the whiter the state, the more imposing his victory.


More at link.....


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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:23 PM
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31. good article
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