I am deeply troubled by the Obama attack on the Clinton health plan

[Freida5]

The false attack of garnishing wages is designed to provoke fear among voters and could ultimately result in health care reform not passing again.

[tabatha]

1. She herself said that her plan would garnish wages.

It is not false.
It could lose the election for the Democrats.

[neutron]

10. Too Bad Obama's Plan was Discredited by Economists

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/opinion/14krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[neutron]

12. All of his Plans are Ill thought Out and Lightweight

and definitely to the RIGHT.

[tabatha]

13. There has been a rebuttal to that....

by physicians, no less. Krugman is not a physician.

[TwilightGardener]

2. You should be "deeply troubled" that the Republicans are going to rip

into her "garnish wages" statement like wolverines into a porcupine's belly.

[Cha]

3. Do some investigating before

you come on here with your canned problems.

[AtomicKitten]

6. but they are troubled ... deeply

[Cha]

8. Yeah, I know how "troubled" they are..

they see the dlc candidate, hilary clinton, not so inevitable anymore and that troubles 'em.

[OzarkDem]

14. Its accurate, Obama is misrepresenting his plan

He's claiming its universal, when it isn't.

His plan doesn't exempt employer paid health insurance from income tax

His plan is dodgy on getting prescription drug costs under control - relying mostly on reimportation of prescription drugs from foreign countries - a very dumb idea.

Obama's plan matches the ones proposed by the likes of Newt Gingrich and other conservatives who load them with money for health care technology, but skimp on benefits to individuals.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

4. Good.

I have no problem paying taxes for a true single payer healthcare system with no insurance companies involved. But I'll be goddamned if I will be compelled to hand over part of my wages to greedy insurance companies, just so they can tell me they won't cover me. Fuck that noise.

And no, there's not going to be a government plan that competes with the ins. cos. The insurance lobby is not going to let that happen.

[Pirate Smile]

5. I think it is a huge problem for her in the general election. It will probably

lose us the election if she is the nominee.

[Big Blue Marble]

7. Why is it false

when she said that she would be going after people's wages?

[Orangepeel]

9. I am "deeply troubled" by Clinton's claims that her plan is universal and his isn't

Neither plan offers universal health care. Both offer universal availability of health insurance. The difference is in the assumptions one makes about mandates and how many people will decline (without mandates) versus how many will refuse (with mandates).

Actually, I'm not really deeply troubled and you shouldn't be either. I understand that Clinton is engaging in political spin, although it is very disingenuous to say Obama's plan "leaves out 15 million" when that is a high side estimate of how many people might choose to opt out. (Someone saying "no thanks, I think I'll take my chances" is very different than people being told "sorry, no insurance for you." Clinton implies that Obama's plan does the latter when it does not).

But Clinton is just putting the worst possible spin on Obama's plan in order to magnify the difference. Instead, she should be defending the advantages of mandates. Obama is also accentuating the difference, although he actually is talking about the disadvantages of mandates.

[OzarkDem]

11. Obama is lying a lot about his health plan, very disturbing

He has the opportunity to improve his plan to match Clinton's if he wishes but he only lies and obfuscates instead.

[davsand]

15. I don't WANT mandated health insurance.

I want universal health care--single payer--cradle to grave with dental included.

Mandating that everyone WILL buy health insurance is not the way to get there. What that does is it forces more profit for the insurance companies, and THEY are a part of the problem.


Laura

[OzarkDem]

18. Then you won't get universal health care

Universal health care is mandated health care. It only works if everyone is covered.

Its been proven and stated many times that letting people go without health insurance until they get sick dooms any health care plan.

Both Clinton and Obama's plan allow employers and people to buy from government insurance or private insurance. The difference is one is economically sustainable and covers everyone, the other doesn't.

Do you have health coverage now? Is it provided by your employer? If so, you will prefer Clinton's plan.

Compare them. Health care reform is too important to leave to fads and smear campaigns.



http://www.health08.org/sidebyside_results.cfm?c=11&c=16

[stillcool]

17. oops... I forgot...

the ignore function!!

[Seabiscuit]

20. Obama calls his plan universal health care which it definitely is not!

[sandnsea]

16. Wow. Welcome to the reason to not vote for HIllary

You SHOULD be troubled because that is exactly what the Republicans are going to say about her mandates and that's the exact reason she won't get elected. It's what some people have been trying to say for YEARS.

[lumberjack_jeff]

19. They'll attack both Obama's and Hillary's health care plan.

But I really don't care if they attack Obama's because it wouldn't work anyway.

[sandnsea]

21. His isn't a mandate

He can at least argue that it isn't socialized medicine because there's no mandate attached to it. His plan would absolutely work, I've got subsidized health insurance right now. Mass hasn't provided a big enough subsidy because they're trying to get too many people into the system all at once. You put the money into the subsidies, which is what Obama proposes, you'll have people flocking to sign up for health insurance.

[lumberjack_jeff]

22. Did you just say it would work because it's what you have right now?

20-30% will remain uninsured. That will guarantee costs like we have now.