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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:18 PM
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Head count: how many of you have checked out and don't care about anything but electability now?
Admittedly, I've worked every day except one since January 4th have had four days over 20 hours and many over 15, but I'm just not compelled to post or even do more than a cursory read at the moment, especially after we threw away our best candidate.

At this point, the only thing that matters is electability, and I can't divine who's got the best chance. All the picky issues sort of drone on with blandifying torpor and it's like being in Wonderland: somehow Hillary Clinton is now the most liberal choice by some measures, and somehow I'm disliking her character less than Barack Obama's. When such brave new worlds come to being, 'tis best to just shut the fuck up and see what other folly is down the pike.

Lots of the regular posters aren't so vocal at the moment; is this why?

So, chime in folks; anyone else being sapped by this turn of events?
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:21 PM
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1. I was a Dennis and Biden supporter
and I don't care who wins as long as it is a Dem. I am thinking Obama may be more electable if the polls are correct saying he beats McCain. I am sure the polls will change though. I think both would make fine presidents.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:21 PM
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2. Yes. n/t
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:21 PM
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3. It's all I care about
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:24 PM
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4. I Care About Policy and America's Actions
and that goes on regardless. I'm not into personalities.

What has he/she done for me lately? That's the attitude to take with public servants.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:24 PM
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5. it's all i ever care about and why i'm opposed to clinton.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:25 PM
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6. Electability is the most important thing for me
If the electability of Clinton and Obama was switched (and Clinton consistently led in match ups against McCain more then Obama) then I'd probably be a Hillary supporter rather then an Obama supporter. I want to make sure we win the white house in 2008, so I don't want to take a chance nominating someone who's polarizing like Hillary according to the polls.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:26 PM
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7. It's one of the reasons why I chose to support Clinton in the first place
And I always imagined McCain as the nominee because he would be the toughest to beat. Now my worst fears are coming true.

I wouldn't worry about Obama against Mittens.

It goes further than that, I want someone who can hit the ground running in Office and have the experience and toughness to deal with the inevitable repuke onslaught any dem president is going to have to deal with. They will not only not be "friends" they will be aggressive enemies from day one.

On policy, there is so little difference between the two it doesn't really matter to me, although I trust Clinton can get legislation passed, especially on health care.

Both of them are going to have to compromise in Office, I don't care what their "on paper" policies are, no President just walks into office and enacts whatever policy they want, they have to work with congress.

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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:31 PM
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8. I agree ... the thought that the RePukes will work
with us is ludicrous. They will do everything they can to make sure we have a 1 term Presidency, planning for 2012.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:17 PM
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15. Do you think her favorables
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 10:19 PM by Mojorabbit
will rise later if she gets the nomination? It amazes me that McCain beats her in the polls at this time considering how down the tubes this country has gone and what a poor candidate he is. I am betting at the future debates either of our candidates would blow him away.

Aack! Someone gave me a valentine! What a wonderfully sweet thing. This makes my night!
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Zoigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:03 PM
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9. Electability is my top priority now.
Our country needs someone who can start to get it back on track. z
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:07 PM
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10. Electability was one of the reasons I chose Obama over Clinton
at first..Then I listened to him and checked out what he had to say and wanted to do.
Is he perfect? No
But he is impressive..
McCain is going to be tough to beat..
We need a candidate that is attractive to independent voters.

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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:11 PM
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11. It is bizarro world. I'm wondering: who can win?; who can stand up to the Rethug machine?;
who will FIGHT for Democratic principals?; who has been vetted?

You say, "...somehow Hillary Clinton is now the most liberal choice by some measures, and somehow I'm disliking her character less than Barack Obama's."

That's pretty much how I feel, though I have moments of leaning toward Obama. I'm very suspicious of the complete free ride he's been given in the press (often, open adulation), and the blind devotion of some of his supporters. And I just don't quite trust his vagueness, his sly cozying up to Reagan, his insidious charges of racism, his arrogance and pettiness.

I come here to DU much less frequency and with hardly any passion. I'm mildly curious to see how some of my favorite posters are lining up. But in the end, I am going with my gut. My primary is Tuesday. I'n leaning toward voting Edwards, somewhat less likely to vote for Clinton. Most likely, I will stay at home, and avoid the inevitable summons to jury duty that would ensue.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:00 PM
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13. Hey, from a purely analytic standpoint, I'm flummoxed
That's part of why I'm keeping relatively quiet. Ridiculous work schedule, withdrawal from the race of my preferred candidate and a bit of respect for the dreams of others all play into the action of my inactions, but a lot of it is simply a personal withdrawal to spectator status with the hope that somehow the electability issue will sort itself out.

He brings blacks, but they already vote 90% Democratic anyway, and even if his candidacy would increase turnout, we're talking about one eighth of the population and there are plenty of racists who will be mobilized to stop his election. He brings the youth vote, but how much is that? He brings certain crossover voters, but so does McCain, so is that really much of a bloc to be had?

She brings many, many women who otherwise wouldn't vote Democratic or at all. This is huge, and we have no idea how many conservative women will stick it to the brutes when the curtain is drawn, but it's likely to be quite a few. Not a bad prospect, considering we're talking about more than 50% of the electorate. Then again, she's got ungodly unfavorables, at time reaching 52%. Her candidacy will mobilize primitives to slither out from under rocks we didn't even know existed.

I had thought for the longest time that she didn't have a chance and that he did, but hearing some of the responses from hispanic voters on NPR about a black candidate and seeing the numbers she got within this group (which is BIGGER than the black population) makes me seriously reconsider my assumption here. Remember, too: hispanic culture is FAR more conservative than that old oxymoron "conventional wisdom" suggests; they'll be far more willing to vote for McCain, especially with his immigration policies.

Beats me. Beats me with a tire-iron, and the whole thing is deplorable: Republicans choked back their personal animosities and selfish preferences based on religion and policy to pick their very, very best candidate, and we allowed our various sillinesses to hold sway and flush our very best candidate with nary a second or even first thought. They're good at winning; as a minority party, they have to be.

The old maxim sticks: "there are two parties: the evil one and the stupid one."

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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:17 PM
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12. Yes, and anyone who says different probably voted for Nader last time...
...sometimes, while clouded by ideologies, we lose sight of the main goal. Who is better for this country right now, a republican or a democrat? I'm for Obama, but if Clinton were more "electable", I'd vote for her. It's like this, who do you want pitching game 7 of the world series? The most popular pitcher? Or the one who gives you the best chance of winning?
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:26 PM
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14. Excellent analogy. Who can WIN? Who will FIGHT? This is one of the best threads in GDP
in some time. A appreciate the thoughtful responses. Thanks, Purity, for starting this.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:18 PM
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16. Obama out-performs Hillary against McCain in the last 6:6 polls.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:25 PM
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17. It's always been an issue for me but it's not the only issue.
Luckily, the candidate I support outshines his competition in that area too.
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