Obama and Clinton on trade

[Robert Oak]

http://blog.noslaves.com/hillary-and-obama-on-trade/

I wrote the above blog piece taking as many detailed position statements from both candidates as I could.

I hope anyone concerned about our economy and the hollowing out of America reads this.

There is just way too much cheer leading and way too little being paid on the actual policy positions
and frankly I was very shocked myself at the conclusion here.

Please educate yourself on the real positions of these two candidates.

[John Q. Citizen]

1. From your examples, it looks like Obama wants to amend NAFTA

Hill doesn't make any such comittment.

I gotta go with Obama.

[Robert Oak]

3. revamp every trade agreement

You're not reading it. NAFTA is part of EVERY trade agreement, there are many, so while Obama just talks about NAFTA, the real problems are things like the China PNTR so Hillary is talking about BOTH NAFTA AND the China PNTR.

Much better.

[maddiejoan]

2. very insightful

thank you --I've bookmarked it :)

[sandnsea]

4. If you're supporting Clinton

you have completely lost your mind. Let me guess, you were supporting Edwards and bought into the Obama hate and now you don't know how to back out of it. Right?

[Robert Oak]

6. sorry

I'm not supporting either and am focused on congressional races. We didn't work for any of the Presidential candidates because none of them will address insourcing, the dual of offshore outsourcing, which is a major labor issue but on the backburner of the AFL-CIO because it affects career professionals who do not unionize.

We care about actual policy that is going to save the United States from economic collapse but in terms of really liking either one, I'm just doing a policy analysis.

May I suggest using your brain a little bit more and less of the cheer leading with no awareness of their various policy positions is in order.

[goldcanyonaz]

5. Many of Obama supporters don't even know what the issues are. Hope and change are enough for them.

[Robert Oak]

7. packaged up like a McDonalds cheeseburger

I know, I've been looking at some of the imagery, putting Obama as "Prophet" in much of it, especially the stump speech photos and the inability to use logic and it's no doubt they are using symbolism, imagery and other techniques to get people to be mesmerized instead of using their logical brain.

Highly effective and very frightening. Thank God McCain doesn't have the same propaganda and public relations people around.

To me, a great orator is absolutely not a great policy maker or administrator, but I've also been pretty impervious to that sort of crowd control/rev up/religious rally sort of techniques.

[sandnsea]

9. But you haven't made a choice

Riight. It must just really twirk you that your anarchists aren't leading the "revolution".

[killbotfactory]

11. Are you trying to be as obnoxious as possible?

[OzarkDem]

8. Protecting US jobs not a priority for Obama

instead, he takes a page from GOP "cheap labor" trade policy in only helping US companies sell more products overseas. These proposals tend to benefit factory farms and exporters of raw materials, but don't address the problem of lack of livable wage jobs in the US.

That's not a guarantee for keeping good jobs in the US. It does nothing to address the problem of making US workers compete with low wage workers overseas.

Obama is also very non-specific about what he would do re NAFTA.


Sorry, but this trade policy doesn't look good.

[Robert Oak]

12. insourcing

Just so you know they both look pretty bad on that score, both have promised Silicon valley executives and NASSCOM (India offshore outsourcing business groups) more H-1B Visas and Obama especially looks like he's pushing for the F-4, yet another visa category manufactured by Bill Gates, US Chamber of Commerce corporate cheap labor lobbyists.

That said, Obama is untested and some of his rhetoric has me placing bets he will be worse.

Hillary as of late is at least giving some stump speech rhetoric in favor of workers on the issue...

but bottom line neither one has sponsored Durbin's S.1035, which reforms the program and I think that tells you a lot.

but, yes I moved onto overall economic positions and truly was shocked to conclude that Hillary was more Progressive than Obama, positively shocked since Hillary is the one so well known to be corporate purchased (but much of that is Bill, who is not Hillary too).

I don't think anyone is really focused on just how corporate purchased Obama is either. It's a time factor, the freshness and great oratory skills have not worn off and the truth of these things coming out.

[jackson_dem]

10. Good stuff

It is good to see policy being discussed.