Barack Obama is all an ILLUSION

[mtnsnake]

If you can't see that this Obama phenomenon is all ONE BIG ILLUSION, then you might want to consider renting the excellent movie, "The Idolmaker", starring Ray Sharkey, and you'll see.

Whether you like the following candidates or not...

Joe Biden has been there, done it.
John Edwards has been there, done it
Hillary Clinton has been there, done it.
Bill Richardson has been there, done it
Dennis Kucinich has been there, done it
Chris Dodd has been there, done it

Barack Obama has been where and done what?

It's all an illusion, folks.

[MadBadger]

1. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh

[mtnsnake]

32. Not wahhing, dude, just stating the facts. It's all an illusion. Always has been

But if it works and we regain the WH because of it, hey, that's alright by me.

[alcibiades_mystery]

63. It's your interpretation of facts...not a fact itself

At least be honest about that. Unless you don't even know what a fact is?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

80. facts are an illusion. and on occas. illusions can be facts.

[populistdriven]

92. I thought Obama had more years of experience than HRC?

[mtnsnake]

93. Yes, you thought that. n/t

[populistdriven]

100. I STILL DO - Please stop insulting our intelligence - the facts are out there - STOP LYING FOR HER

The Curious Math of Hillary's "35 Years of Experience"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-emanuel/the-curious-math-of-hilla_b_82028.html
"But leaving that aside, why is it that you get to count your time canvassing for McGovern as working for change, but Obama's time as a community organizer and public housing advocate aren't worthy of mention? And what about his time at Harvard Law (where he was the first black president in the history of the Harvard Law Review)? Doesn't count? But your time at Yale Law does? In the now immortal words of your husband: Give me a break."

Hillary's "Experience" Lie
If that's her selling point, put me down for Obama.
http://www.slate.com/id/2182073/
"Thirty-five years takes you back to 1973, half of which Hillary spent in law school, for crying out loud."

Obama even has more experience than Bill Clinton did
Numerically, Bill Clinton had less experience in government than Obama does. In addition, Bill Clinton had ZERO foreign policy experience, whereas, while not much, Obama has 3 years in the U.S. Senate. The same goes for John Edwards, who has less than any candidate running for president.

Obama has also been a community organizer, lawyer, professor, and state senator.

[mtnsnake]

107. I didn't say you don't.....Lying about who?...Who is her?

Calm down. It's not healthy for you to explode like that. Breathe in....breathe out. Now say ahhhhhh

Better?

[populistdriven]

112. You used past tense - "thought" You use typical Republican tactics - LIE then EVADE

[mtnsnake]

113. WTF?

:wtf:

[populistdriven]

114. Ahhh and don't forget to ridicule

[indimuse]

166. obama 46__ Hillary 60________helloooooo...

...WHAT was Obama doing when Hillary was 46...?

[cd3dem]

136. this is what an Obama world looks like... with a bunch of change..

http://southpark.comedycentral.com/video_by_episode.jhtml?episodeId=103783

[WillyT]

42. LOL !!!

:evilgrin:

[fenriswolf]

2. an if you cant see that

clintons machine has refurbished parts from the bush machine you are dillusional.

[Blue_In_AK]

3. Oh, boy, now you've done it!

Are you some kind of masochist?

[mtnsnake]

33. lol

Hows it goin, Blue.

[Blue_In_AK]

47. Goin' good.

I'm trying to look at the humor in all this with varying degrees of success from day to day.

I think I'm going to get off DU for a while here (an hour or so anyway) and try to get some work done. It's just too hot in here for me.

[ursi]

4. The same could be said of Hillary Clinton

[baby_mouse]

11. Indeed it could.

But in her case it would be false.

[Fredda Weinberg]

16. HRC withstood the ring wing cabal. Obama has not n/t

[defendandprotect]

41. ...did they? . . . . did we?

[Fredda Weinberg]

84. HRC is junior senator from NY, whatever happens this fall. Believe me,

they tried.

[defendandprotect]

142. Yeah, the Founders also tried but compromised with slave states and

we got a Civil War ---

Bill Clinton destroyed much of the New Deal and set us up for great job loss ---
and many other compromises ---

and much of it because he so weakened himself ---

he was weak from the beginning --- "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" ---

Look at how GW simply ignores what the public thinks and moves on to do whatever he wants ---
with no opposition from the Dems --- NONE

[Fredda Weinberg]

148. The New Deal hasn't been destroyed - we should be restoring

faith in our institutions, but tearing down our party apparatus in the name of grass roots movement is self-defeating. If we can't organize ourselves, how can we ask the American people to trust us?

Our salvation is that the GOP is even more divided. That's not much ... but if we can get back on a realistic dialogue we'll see how much of the progressive consensus remains.

[defendandprotect]

152. Evidently, you don't understand what the Repugs have been doing for

the past almost 30 years and more ---

Yes, they have pretty much dismantled the New Deal ---

At the moment, we still have Social Security and

Medicare ---

but they are under threat of privatization ---

And, we are approaching economic nightmares because of the many financial regulations
which were lifted ---

THAT's how we got the Savings & Loan Theft and Embezzlements by the way . . .

And PENSIONS are also either being wiped out and/or they are not sufficiently supported by
payments from corporations.

[Fredda Weinberg]

159. Pensions are covered by ERISA ... and I watched it dismantled

In fact, I quit an excellent paying job rather than participate. But that wasn't a partisan issue ... and had nothing to do with the Great Society.

Can't we keep our history straight?

[defendandprotect]

172. We're talking about the New Deal . . .

not the "Great Society" ---

The pension funds are all underfunded now because they supposedly watching the store have
permitted it ---

[defendandprotect]

173. We're talking about the New Deal . . .

not the "Great Society" ---

The pension funds are all underfunded now because those supposedly watching the store have
permitted it ---

...but it will be the public who will pay for this if there is a total collapse.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

144. Her HUSBAND was president then, NOT HER, but WE DID LOSE CONGRESS

do we want to lose congress again?

[Fredda Weinberg]

147. We lost congress but raised taxes on the highest income bracket

Now we have data that we can do this again. Yes, it was worth it.

[defendandprotect]

154. Right -- and it's all been reversed and MORE by GW --- plus SURPLUS gone ...!!!

And a war costing more than half a trillion --- half a trillion --- !!!!

You mean your "grandkids" can do it again --- !!!

[Fredda Weinberg]

161. And you think it would be better if we hadn't established a record?

Now we can legitimately come back and raise taxes on the wealthy again. And so it goes ...

[defendandprotect]

171. Yeah . . . "if you call out the Militia..." You know . . .

Cuomo made that comment more than 15+ years ago when we were no where near the tax
reductions that the elite now have ---

Progressive taxes are barely discussed as an issue anywhere in our "free press"/corporate-media.

It's concept not well known today ---

Not only do you need to begin over again with the agenda of the New Deal, you need to re-educate
the public ---

Most of the New Deal isn't understood by the public today ---

They're not even sure how Social Security works after so many lies about "pyramid schemes" --
and by the way that was the Wall Street Journal line -- and "entitlements" by right-wing
propagandists ---

[defendandprotect]

153. We don't know why we lost Congress -- whether it was election steals ---

or simple lying to the public --- it was Gingrich's agenda, wasn't it . . . ?
I don't recall exactly ---

Fascism comes to power not by legitmate means . . .

Election 2000 and 2004 and 2006 certainly haven't been honest elections AND
computer votin gcame in during the mid-1960's . . .
do you can figure out just how much stealing has been going on.

[indimuse]

168. no he hasn't...

and won't.

[mtnsnake]

44. No it can't, but nice try. n/t

[Alexander]

123. Obama's won 3 more elections than Hillary Clinton. But nice try.

He has over a decade of experience in elected office. She doesn't.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

145. but he isn't married to or the son of a former president! n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. Hi, mtnsnake!

:hi:

[polichick]

LOL - perfect!

[mtnsnake]

39. Hi

Why is that dog sweeping a hamburger into his shovel? :hi:

[Bad Thoughts]

6. So you must have supported Richardson before Clinton?

No one has been there more and done that more.

[mtnsnake]

46. Kucinich was always my first choice with Hillary second.

but I love what Richardson has done. I think he would've made a brutal campaigner, though.

[VotesForWomen]

99. yep; i went kucinich -> edwards -> clinton. nt

[newmajority]

110. bullshit.

You don't go from Kucinich to Hillary. That's a 180 degree turn. It's clear from your posts that you are a committed DLC lover, and the DLC loves Dennis about as much as Dr. Atkins loved carbohydrates.

[mtnsnake]

121. Tell ya what, Repuke Breath, I'm gonna prove it & then we'll see if you're big enough to apologize

Read these threads and tell me if you were wrong or right, not that I'd ever expect you to own up to it (the first one is a poll but the other ones go back months, which shows I've been Kucinich all the way):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3906119
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3795006
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3696132
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3241893

You don't go from Kucinich to Hillary. That's a 180 degree turn. It's clear from your posts that you are a committed DLC lover, and the DLC loves Dennis about as much as Dr. Atkins loved carbohydrates.

That is just about the most ignorant statement I've ever heard on this forum, bar none, but considering the source, I am not at all surprised. Don't they teach you anything in freeperland?

Only an inbred moron would believe that you can't like Hillary and Kucinich at the same time or that you can't like Hillary without being a DLC lover.

What a steaming pantload!! :rofl:

[hill08]

7. I just hope

American Dems will wake up from this hypnosis just in time to make the right decision and nominate Hillary

[jenmito]

43. Hillary supporters don't seem to put any value on "hope." Good luck with that.

;-)

[Webster Green]

56. I'm not in some kind of trance. I'm just over the Clintons..

Time for some new blood.

There's nothing mysterious or hypnotic or cult-like about it at all.:smoke:

[jenmito]

65. That's all the Hillary supporters have left.

It won't work.

[enough already]

116. Thanks to the condescending tone of those expecting a coronation...

....there is no chance of her ever getting the support of many. When you essentially call people 'stupid' and 'cult members' because they refuse to see the virtue of your candidate of War, Wal-Mart and race-baiting, that's going to happen.

[bilgewaterbill]

8. By all means get your voting advice from a movie. Sheesh!

[Freida5]

9. awfully thin on experience and issues

[mahina]

34. Hi, actually he served in the Illinois Senate for two terms,

and was elected to the US senate. So while Hillary served one and a half terms as US senator, Barack has served two and a half terms, total.

Being near the president is not an office.

There are many opportunities to familiarize yourself with his extensive accomplishments, if you are sincere and really just don't know.

From a recent post here by another DUer:

He has accomplished far more than he is usually given credit for, but you can judge for yourself-
http://www.progressivepatriots.com/senate/senObamaIL.ht...

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2006/10/b...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

http://wizbangblue.com/2008/01/04/some-of-obamas-legisl...

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jfwiTMvbxKZec4z-ouww...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Source page: http://www.milwaukeerenaissance.com/Main/ObamaCampaign#...

NGU.


Aloha.

[Freida5]

127. Then he should run for Governor of Illinois. Repubs will kill us in fall if Obama wins nomination

[mahina]

128. We have a deeply inspiring competent field, and the people

will decide. If you're going to be afraid of what the Republicans will do, then enjoy yourself, but I've got work to do.

[blm]

10. Gee = I remember when you were here claiming to support Obama a few months ago.

BTE - Hillary HAD been there while Bill was closing the books on outstanding matters of Bush1's serious crimes of office.

How did the deep-sixing of IranContra, Iraqgate, BCCI and CIA drugrunning matters still ongoing turn out for our party and for this nation? The question you WILL not answer.

[mtnsnake]

21. I like Obama, still do and will support him if he wins, but his entire phenomenon is 1 big illusion

[blm]

38. Clintons being Democrats is one big illusion. You think their experience protecting BushInc

has been good for this country?

[mtnsnake]

51. Thanks for stopping by, blm. Please come back again when you can't stay so long. :)

:hi:

[blm]

66. Dodge ball, again?

.

[mtnsnake]

69. I love that movie, too.

Funny as hell.

[Kittycat]

12. Another person that has refused to look at all that he's done in IL, and while he was in the senate.

More of the same, do anything to win politics will not survive.

[Avalux]

13. OMG. You're right! I've seen the light and will now support Hillary Clinton.

NOT. :rofl:

[DefenseLawyer]

14. You might want to consider renting an excellent movie

called "Cool Hand Luke", starring Paul Newman. It has nothing at all to do with the point you are trying to make, but it is an excellent movie.

[Orangepeel]

23. Maybe "The Princess Bride" if he's in the mood for something lighter

Very entertaining!

[DefenseLawyer]

36. I am more of a "The Big Lebowski" man myself

as comedy goes, but "The Princess Bride" is an excellent choice.

[C_U_L8R]

15. excuses excuses

can't you admit that he's good
(don't need to say better... just good)

it's no illusion.

[mtnsnake]

70. Yes, I can admit that he's good

but the entire thing is still all an illusion.

If it works, and we get into the WH with it, I'll be fine with it. That is the truth.

[Guava Jelly]

17. you are right...he hasn't done anything

Born: August 4, 1961 (Hawaii)
Lives in: Chicago, Illinois
Zodiac Sign: Leo
Height: 6' 1" (1.87m)
Family: Married wife Michelle in 1992, 2 daughters Malia and Sasha
Parents: Barack Obama, Sr. (from Kenya) and Ann Dunham (from Kansas)
Religion: United Church of Christ
Drives a: Ford Escape hybrid, Chrysler 300C
Education:
- Graduated: Columbia University (1983) - Major: Political Science
- Law Degree from Harvard (1991) - Major: J.D. - Magna Cum Laude
- Attended: Occidental College
Career: U.S. Senator from Illinois sworn in January 4, 2005
Government Committees:
- Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee
- Foreign Relations Committee
- Veterans Affairs Committee
- 2005 and 2006: served on the Environment and Public Works Committee
Books:
- Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance (1995)
- The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream (2006)
- It Takes a Nation: How Strangers Became Family in the Wake of Hurricane Katrina (2006)

[hill08]

24. United Church of Christ

Isn't it that black supremacist church? And how will that play in GE?

[tammywammy]

30. No it's not

[Guava Jelly]

31. In case you havent noticed

Christians do very well in US elections...
what are you anyways? and what are you being paid?

[DefenseLawyer]

50. No they are satan worshipers

whose hedonistic rituals revolve around LSD, self flagellation and human sacrifice. It is a well known fact that Sen. Obama's actual birthplace was Spahn Movie Ranch, somewhere in Death Valley, the last known home of the Manson Family. How will that play in the GE????

[Guava Jelly]

55. I was not aware of that!

Must be the Koolaide..
:silly:

[monktonman]

57. Yes, my Irish family are black supremacist's.

As a matter of fact, a guy I met a a bar a few days ago
told me Obama worshipped the devil as well.
I believe every word.

Dumb-ass......

[Recursion]

88. No

Not remotely. It was the first church to ordain blacks in the 18th century, the first church to ordain women in the 19th century, and the first church to perform gay weddings as a matter of church policy. It's quite simply the most progressive major church in the country. It is descended from the puritan churches in colonial New England, and played a huge role in abolition and the civl rights movement. It's also mostly white.

[enough already]

117. Race baiting again....it _SO_ becomes you Hill-bots

How will Hillary's support of the war play in the GE?

[newmajority]

118. Yeah, when I went to my caucus at a UCC church yesterday

They wouldn't let me in the door before I renounced my whiteness and swore allegiance to a huge poster of Malcolm X. :eyes: :sarcasm:

Geezus, where do the Hillbots come up with this shit?

[enough already]

120. They're totally desperate n/t

[uppityperson]

149. Holy shit! I'm a black supremacist! UCC=black supremacist?bwahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahaha

[Killarney]

164. Yeah, just like

churches in Polish neighborhoods are Polish supremacist and churches in Irish Catholic neighborhoods are white supremacists.

His church allows anyone. It just happens to be mostly black. It does not deny anyone.

Thanks for playing the "continue the lying smear" game the GOP loves, though. Good work.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

18. David Axelrod's lab project

[Hutzpa]

19. Heres another one who lives

in wonderland, who thinks this is a Peter Pan story.

bwahahaha!

:rofl:

[Orangepeel]

20. I was supporting John Edwards before Obama. So I'd already decided that the number of years

in the Senate were not a deciding factor for me. I think it's time to give a chance to forces other than the status-quo.

[Faygo Kid]

22. Deep. Profound. How can I argue with such compelling wisdom? You forget, however. . .

. . . we are in the thrall of our cult leaders. All Hail!

[mtnsnake]

54. You can't

The t in mtnsnake stands for truth :smoke:

[cali]

25. you've lost it, snakeboy.

So sad. You're now reduced to babbling and bullshit spin. Pathetic.

[mtnsnake]

53. Yes, boss. Whatever you say

lol

[cottonseed]

26. Preferable to a solid steaming pile of REAL.

Symbolically, I would say that people are sick of it. Who the hell wants something that's real, when what's real stinks to high heaven.

And when you get around to the real issues, policies, and take a look at Obama's advisors any informed person would have to say he's more REAL than the illusion he's made out to be. I think most people know that, and that's why a majority of them are voting for him.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

27. Bill Krystal said this morning "Republicans are afraid of an Obama win" haha what does that tell ya

[Proud2BAmurkin]

61. All I need to know

[DianeG5385]

79. THAT'S what I've been saying but no one is listening

I feel they've been enraptured by Obama's possibility.

[IndieLeft]

28. Yes, because I get my political views from movies.

There is the right kind of experience and the wrong kind of experience.

He has the right kind of experience. And more over, He is NOT Hillary.

[tridim]

29. It's Illuuuusion..

:eyes:

[dana_b]

35. Illusion

Well, whether it's an illusion or not, the issue is that with the two current democratic candidates, some of us do not like where one of the candidates has been, nor what she has done. So because of that, I will give the other one my support. By the way, I'm new, I'm not a democrat- I'm an independent- and this place, although imperfect, has a helluva better bunch of people here than some of the other political sites that I've checked out.

[mtnsnake]

60. Welcome

:)

[defendandprotect]

37. I agree ---

[OzarkDem]

40. Obama is the ultimate shape-shifter

Like Ronald Reagan, he shifts his image and opinions to suit whoever he is talking to. We've seen examples many times.

He's a Reagan-like media candidate. Hollow, an empty suit.

[tridim]

48. Now he's Reagan? Yesterday he was Jim Jones.

I can't wait to hear who he's compared to next week.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

45. You're Right, Of Course.

But having that said, he is still really good. I don't think he's ready to be president or to handle the general election, but I still think he's a shining star in his own right. He'll make an amazing vice president in my opinion, and president in 2017.

[mtnsnake]

67. Yes, I agree. He is "still really good"

The entire thing is still an illusion, though, that much we can agree on.

[DS1]

49. Crap! OBAMA has done ONE THING MAGNIFICANTLY

That is, brainwash 400 DUers into spending their every waking moment bashing Hillary :rofl:



morans

[Laurab]

138. Odd thing to post in an OBAMA Bashing Thread n/t

[saracat]

52. And this is a pesky fact that some do NOT want to see. Experience DOES NOT

count to many( perhaps bevcause some lack it) and in their naivete they assume that Obama is not a political creation.A hard rain is gonna fall, I am very sad to say.

[Arugula Latte]

58. My, my. The Hillary supporters sure are a mite testy today.

I wonder why?

[ecstatic]

59. Your thoughts are the classic example of what racial minorities face in this country

No matter how successful he is in this race, he will continue to be doubted, disrespected, and questioned. It's really kind of sad.

[mtnsnake]

62. That didn't take long (snicker)

When all else fails, throw out a card, ANY card!

lol

[ecstatic]

75. hey... if the shoe (card) fits...?

:shrug:

[mtnsnake]

78. It doesn't fit, but thanks for the concern. n/t

[TwilightGardener]

64. 11 years of elected/legislative experience compared to Hillary's 7.

Seems your gal's actual experience is more of an "illusion".

[mtnsnake]

68. 11 years with "Present!" as your biggest accomplishment doesn't compare to 35 years of DOIN'

It's all an illusion.

[monktonman]

71. DOIN? what exactly?

baking cookies?

[mtnsnake]

77. Uh-oh, I hope the the feminists don't see that one.

DOIN? what exactly? baking cookies?

oh geez...

[monktonman]

83. She said it, not me...

Now that I look back at her failed health care bamboozle
that in my opinion was the beginning of the end of Democratic control of congress,
I wish she had been baking cookies.
That bullshit was the thing that made alot of everyday people like you and I consider
voting for a puke for the first time ever and thats what led to Newt and his "contract with America".

[mtnsnake]

91. Backing off on your "baking cookies" comment?

That bullshit was the thing that made alot of everyday people like you and I consider
voting for a puke for the first time ever and thats what led to Newt and his "contract with America".

Speak for yourself.

[monktonman]

102. re-affirming my baking cookies statement.

I dont pretend to speak for you.
What I was saying is that alot of people like myself (you know, the voting public)
were turned off with all the hubris and bluster that was Hill inc.'s
venture into healthcare reform. As a result, alot of people voted for pukes
for the first time in their lives. Unfortunately.
The pukes didnt get control of congress during Billary's term all by themselves.
They were voted in. With Bill doing such a great job, I wonder how that happened?
Maybe the real illusion is that Bill Clinton was a great president.

Again.... I wish Hillary were baking cookies instead.

[mtnsnake]

108. No prob

It's all good

[blm]

72. You submit that Hillary would have NOT voted Present as Planned Parenthood requested as

Obama did?

[Nailzberg]

111. I don't think she would have.

Planned Parenthood was looking for leadership. Hillary lacks it.

[TwilightGardener]

73. Show me where Obama wasn't "doing" all his adult life. You show me that.

Show me where Obama spent a large portion of his law career on corporate matters. Show me where Obama spent most of his years being "First Spouse". Please.

[Adelante]

74. Thanks for the information nt

[DianeG5385]

76. I'm worried we might be taken for a ride

Another inexperienced leader in Obama guided by "older" more experienced hands. I am concerned and am looking for a more solid candidate. I have been following Obama's campaign since he announced and he IS inspirational, but have felt little else from him and so after my first choice, Biden, dropped out, I was undecided until I voted for Hillary on super Tuesday as the best of th remaining candidates in my view.

[dcindian]

81. I keep seeing these post and just wondering

What the hell is so wrong with Hillary that the Hillary supports can't seem to even talk about her?

[TheCool]

82. Lol

Ignorance.

[dansolo]

85. Been where, and done what, exactly?

With the track record of the Democrats in Congress over the past 15 years, none of them really stand out as being qualified. The real illusion is the belief that any of them are really going to change much from the status quo. Dennis Kucinich may be the golden boy of the far left, but he would be hard pressed to get Congress to work with him on anything. The last truly independent, viable candidate we had was Howard Dean, and you saw how quickly they took him down.

[cgrindley]

86. How could your post have less content?

why are you posting this crap?

[Yael]

87. That "illusion" is going to motivate millions to the polls which will only benefit down ticket

races.

Can you candidate claim the same?

[mtnsnake]

90. If it happens in the GE, then that's good. I'll be all for it. n/t

[Yael]

106. I am banking on it

I have a 20 year (R) Congressman who is up against an unknown Dem.

We NEED to take that seat.

The asshat voted against S-CHIP for cryin' out loud. :grr:

[Recursion]

89. Time is an illusion

lunchtime doubly so

[Dob Bole]

94. As long as the ILLUSION can beat JOHN MCCAIN, I don't care!!!

Obama nation!!!

[mtnsnake]

95. If that is what ultimately happens, I will be glad we at least got a Dem in the WH. n/t

[AX10]

96. An Illusion is all he'll ever be.

[AtomicKitten]

97. "You're a cantaloupe."

[VotesForWomen]

98. shhhh, they're chanting. nt

[rch35]

101. Exact same amount of time in elected office as Lincoln. nt

[citizen snips]

103. that is my main trepidation concerning Obama

I believe that Obama is electable, but whoever gets to white house will inherit a mess.

[no name no slogan]

104. If he's an illusion, then that was definitely some strong cough syrup I've been taking

[Warren Stupidity]

105. You forgot to work 'cult' into your craptacular.

Please try again.

[thevoiceofreason]

109. No - we are the illusions

None of us has the guts to come out from behind the blogosphere and say who we are. We spout and cut and paste and say vile things, all in secrecy. Barack Obama is the real deal. Hillary Clinton is the real deal. John Edwards is the real deal.

[ProSense]

115. If that's so, Hillary is doing poorly again an illusion

Hillary Top Staff Being Reshuffled; Solis Doyle Replaced As Campaign Manager

[mtnsnake]

125. Not quite following you on that, PS

Your subject line wasn't clear to me. Did you mean, "If that's so, is the latest news that Hillary is doing poorly again an illusion?"

[ProSense]

134. No, pretty clear what I said: Hillary is doing poorly. n/t

[Jed Dilligan]

119. For one thing, he's been on the streets

working up-close and personal with the people the system has failed the most. People who career politicians professionally ignore. People Hillary Clinton's policies will not do anything for.

Hillary's anti-poverty program is nonexistent, Obama's shows a true understanding of the problems facing our neediest citizens.

[MadHound]

122. I suppose that much the same could have been said about other Democratic candidates

Such as JFK and Clinton. Illusions, yeah, whatever.

[mitchum]

124. And it is significant that "The Idolmaker" is a movie from the LAST century...

:)
A true story:
I actually really liked the movie when I saw it a number of times back in the early 80s (for some reason it was a cable staple)
However, last year my wife and I watched it. Her first viewing and my first viewing in 25 years. After it was over, my wife turned to me and said, "I don't know why you were always touting that movie, it's really not that good" And she was right.
Sometimes the past really isn't that good when examined in the cold light of today. A lesson there?

Ray Sharkey was a damn fine actor, though:)

[mtnsnake]

129. I believe 1980. I haven't watched it in about 15 years

so there might be something to what you're saying. All I know is that for such an underhyped movie, I really enjoyed it, maybe more so because I used to be part of the rock scene in my younger days with a band and all that. :)

[Occam Bandage]

126. There, and it.

[mtnsnake]

130. I like that

Pretty good answer. :)

[Bright Eyes]

131. And Hillary Clinton is a Martian!

See, I can make up stuff too!

[mtnsnake]

132. My favorite Martian

:)

[DemGa]

133. It's cult of personality

History is riddled with them.

And I'm not trying to be original; I'm stating the truth.

[sendero]

135. If all that experience gives us..

... is IRW and Kyl-Lieberman, then I'll take a rube any day.

Not to mention that Obama is polling 6-10 points ahead of HRC in a matchup with McCain.

[themaguffin]

137. That's true he really was not First Lady

[yellowcanine]

139. Well the "illusion" is winning primaries and caucuses and piling up real delegates.

He is on a roll and the momentum picks up after Tuesday. Illusion that.

[LordJFT]

140. and his campaign is a fairytale right? hahahaha

[krkaufman]

141. You're talking about illusions, and, as your argument, instruct us to watch a movie?!?

:rofl:

[calteacherguy]

143. Stupid post, not even worthy of a reply. nt

[Hill_YesWeWill]

146. OMG like in that movie the illusionist!! wait, wasn't scarlet johansen in that movie too!?!

:boring:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

176. Wake up! Your goose is cooked!

[Hill_YesWeWill]

177. hey,

don't tell anybody, but, I'm really Obama supporter too!

[Zhade]

150. At least he never suggested he gets to pick his presidential powers, like Clinton did.

Here's hoping she flames out.

[Thrill]

151. Same can be said about Hillary

[donheld]

155. "___"has been there, done it. Done what?

Joe Biden has been there, done it.
John Edwards has been there, done it
Hillary Clinton has been there, done it.
Bill Richardson has been there, done it
Dennis Kucinich has been there, done it.
Chris Dodd has been there, done it.


What is it they actually did? Is that why everything has been such a mess since long before Barack Obama came along. It's time for CHANGE. Not more of the same.

[JI7]

156. lost Iowa ?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

157. What has Kucinich done exactly?

And where has he been?

[D23MIURG23]

158. Illusion is what politics are all about.

HRC isn't as good at creating them as Barack.

All this "Cult of personality" and "Illusion" crap is an attempt to fix that by making people suspicious of his prodigious talent as a politician.

Unfortunately for the HRC camp this isn't 900 CE, and most of the people who beleive in witches are reliable republican votes.

[WYObama]

160. Holy crap!

So I shook the hand, and got my photo with an illusion!! Wow, is that evidence of mysticism? We should get Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris on this ASAP!

John Kennedy was an "illusion" too. People seemed to like him alright.

[cooolandrew]

162. An illusion i love magic tricks cool.

[cooolandrew]

163. Barack " I haven't been around long but neither have google and they are performing well"

[WYObama]

165. Amen!

Cheney and Rumsfeld - now there were 2 guys who have "been there."

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

167. I don't care what you say - I voted for him and I will again

so there

[workinclasszero]

169. Want cheese with your whine?

The real illusion was the inevitable nomination of Hillary Clinton!

The coronation is on hold!:rofl:

[dionysus]

170. have you been getting stoned to Brewer and Shipley records again?

:hi:

[casus belli]

174. Your post says nothing...

His history is readily available. His accomplishments and specific vision for this country are readily available from a number of sources. The only nothing I see here, is a post with no content.

[VotesForWomen]

175. yep; less than a year ago most folks here had never heard of him. now they're ready to put him

in the most powerful position on the planet. scary.

[goodhue]

178. denial is funny stuff

[Bucky]

179. And as for your post... been there, done that too.