Well It looks to me like Obama has it close to won

[mitchtv]

I say that with some trepidation. I am a long time Democrat (40+years i've been voting straight ticket) except of course , when I voted for McCarthy. I would like to be ab;e to say that I will support my party's nominee, but I have a real problem. The problem is this, the viciousness of the attacks on the other Democrat in the race , and the nastiness of the attacks on a very good ex president. The partisans for Obama have continuously disrespected good Dems and have virtually used every republican talking point that we heard from '92 thru 2000. They have disrespected seniors,(me,) Gays (me) and working class Dems (me). Enjoy your victory. Due to the total meanness of your campaign I will never be able to vote for Obama, as won't many in my large extended family. At least my in laws. Good luck

[saracat]

1. It ain't over yet but I do so agree with you.

[MADem]

2. It's not over yet. This could go on for a LOOOOOONG time yet. NT

[Buzz Clik]

3. That's really premature.

A pitcher in baseball would be furious that you just cursed him -- you don't call the no-hitter until the last out is recorded.

Nobody has it won until the votes are cast in Denver. Not one second sooner.

[skooooo]

4. more melodrama...

:eyes:

[bicentennial_baby]

5. Is this the NBD movement, updated for 08?

[mitchtv]

14. Huh?

[bicentennial_baby]

19. "Nobody But Dean"

[mitchtv]

23. I'm hardly that way

It's taken a while to get here. I think it is contagious from the I will never vote for Hillary and "the Clintons". Well wait and see. I know my two or 3 hundred a year is nothing to them, but it is to me.

[woolldog]

30. I guess to me the difference

is that people who won't vote for Clinton (like me) have serious issues with the candidate and character/honesty:

1. We remember the constant scandals and bitter partisanship of the 90s and don't think fondly on it.

2. The dynastic issue of Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton, which many (including me) think is bad for the health of our democracy and a bad precedent to set.

3. Her use of the "southern strategy" in South Carolina.

4. I don't feel she is honest and straightforward, constantly "triangulating."

There are other reasons, but I'll stop here.

On the other hand, I've noticed the HRC supporters who say they will never go Obama, seem to have much less substantial and more childish reasons for doing so:

--they "just don't like him." Well I didn't like Kerry either. He was dull and boring, but I voted for him.

--his supporters "piss you off." I think it's scary that some people decide to vote based on what happens on websites like this.

--Slight differences on his/her position on certain issues. So you would allow Mcain to become president because you don't think Obama is entirely pro-gay? Ok. Do you think McCain will be more pro-gay than Obama? Do you think he will appoint judges who are sympathetic with the gay agenda? I think he would do his best to fight against the gay agenda.

[mitchtv]

32. Obama will do nothing for Gays he's made that clear

and I'm getting tired of it He will give us more nukes . , altough he obfuscates his position. He is untrustworthy on Social security, Yeah much more childish reasons. Glad you were annointed with all that wisdom

[woolldog]

34. I was just relating

to you my observations. If Obama will do nothing for gays (I don't know and it's not an issue I care about so I will take you're word for it). McCain will work AGAINST the gay agenda.

More nukes and untrustworthy on social security? Ok. First time I've seen those criticisms and you didn't say that was why you didn't want to vote for him in the GE.

The way it appears to me is that you're struggling to find substantive reasons to dislike him b/c you've been offended at some of the things his supporters have said and the way some of them have acted...

[mitchtv]

39. Found those reasons back awhile

before all the newbies. Of course you can't find those reasons anymore they've been "deemphasized" I found the reasons to not support him long before I gave my vote for Clinton; preferred Edwards. Nice try tho, and civil too, thanks

[Guaranteed]

16. Apparently, but without the same good reasoning. nt

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. you need Lasik

[Eurobabe]

7. Oh cry me a river, any GOOD Democrat would NOT

let a few overzealous supporters sway them from voting for the nominee. Call a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHBULANCE.

[mitchtv]

13. overzealous like Donnie Mc Clurkin ?

you betcha

[KittyWampus]

29. So the Clintons threw ALL blacks under the bus. And are now peddling racist crap about Latinos

It's your status quo candidate who clings to their fucked up losing 50+1 strategy who is dividing the Democratic party and Coalition.

Power-hungry, Neo Liberal greedheads.

[rug]

35. You've proved his point.

[AX10]

I will have to think about voting for Obama...

or writing in a vote for someone else in protest.
There are some Democrats that I would not support after this fiasco. Dick(less) Durbin comes to mind.
Obama is a bastard, no question there. He demeans the cultural battles that gave him this opportunity to run for President. What else can be said. Unlike him, I have respect for those who fought these battles. Just because I was not involved in the battles of the GI Generation (depression/WWII), I do respect and value their great and vital contributions to society.
Obama is a smarmy putz to be so dismissive of the past.

[mitchtv]

20. If you like Nukes you'll love Barry

It's a deal breaker for me

[kimbo fleiss]

8. ?

If an ex-president, good or bad president, initiates attacks on a new candidate for the office, that candidate has the right to defend himself. Let's not get melodramatic here.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. If You Don't Vote For The Dem In The GE, You're An Idiot.

Well intentioned or not, you'd be an idiot.

[amisaid1]

10. I am a Democrat

So I will vote for WHOEVER the democratic nominee is. I am not a Hilary-o-crat or an Obama-o-crat. I am a DEMOCRAT. I will always vote for the party in the general election. Both Clinton and Obama said that they will do the same. I know we all want to take these things personal but in the end we must vote for the party to keep the republican party from appointing federal and supreme court judges.

[killbotfactory]

11. Obama supporters are all a bunch of shitheels

Clinton supporters are all sweetness and light.

Whatever.

[Guaranteed]

12. ....

Take a break and come back.

As far as I'm concerned, you didn't say this.

[griffi94]

15. i can't blame it on just his supporters

i don't like the whole savior feel to his campaign.
he's a 1 term senator who is about to get schooled on how washington really works.
he may pull off a win in nov...but he'll be the most ineffective president since carter got stonewalled. i wish i could vote for him...but he just doesn't seem to be anything more than a salesman
and imo he's promising things he can't deliver.

[Guaranteed]

17. I don't think he'll be ineffective, if he's been watching Bush.

Bush, despite his incompetence, has really demonstrated how to use the power of the White House.

If Obama has been paying attention, maybe he's learned something.

[griffi94]

22. all those repubs

won't roll over for obama like they did for bush....even the democrats in congress...especially the ones in southern states and rocky mountain states will oppose obama more than congressional repubs opposed bush....he won't get lockstep democrats because if they walk lockstep...they's get replaced at the first available oppotunity. i don't buy into the argument that the rw makes about us being a conservative nation....but we're not a liberal nation either....obama will have to govern from the center...or else be ineffective...if does the pragmatic thing imo his supporters will bail on him screaming they've been betrayed.

[AX10]

28. When they bail, I'll laught at them at tell them...

"I told you so".

[cloud75]

18. it's called backlash and mean spirited politics Obama has ways of playing the game

and it's hurting him.

[Ian David]

21. Unless Obama yells, "YArRRRRrrrr!!!" n/t

[Faygo Kid]

24. Well, have a nice day.

Whatever.

[Robeson]

25. I'll vote Obama, Clinton, or a ham sandwich, to keep McCain out ot the....

...the White House. Guess that's just me.

[mcg]

42. Anyone who would sing about dropping bombs must be stopped,

and McCrazy did just that,

"Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

Ha ha ha. He's thinks war is funny.

I wonder if he got over being tortured.

He might be just as much of a sociopath as Bush.

Look at his lack of manners, he get's up there and blows/wipes his nose in front of the audience. How rude and gross. Would he do that in front of the UN? We have already been embarrassed enough.

Obama and Clinton are both politicians, so I don't think we should expect either to be saintly. The wise thing to do is compare their stance on the issues with the republican nominee, most likely McCain. McCain's voting record is terrible. It's a myth that he's a moderate or a maverick.

[KittyWampus]

26. what universe do you inhabit?The Clintons throw blacks under the bus, foment racism amongst Latino

and black voters, have their crony Terry McAuliffe who set rules of DNC regarding delegates yet blame Howard Dean and you have the fucking NERVE to say it's OBAMA \viciously attacking other Dems in the race?

[mitchtv]

33. yeah and I have the NERVE to say

Wrong on NUKes
Wrong on Social Security
wrong on Gays

[cali]

27. If that's what you do, you're a lousy dem and an even

worse American. I detest some of the asswipe Hillary supporters here, but I'm not a weak minded selfish fool; I won't let them influence my determination to vote for a dem in November. You are all of the above if you won't vote because of some anonymous posters on a political website. Beyone lame.

[mitchtv]

31. and you have a complete inability to remain civil

I've enyoyed many of your posts. It's not just the posters either.Obama can have someone elses' vote .I'll will vote down ticket of course. Obama's own words saying that he couldn't guarantee his voters would support Hillary if she won . Turnabout is fair play No? Believe me I'm not alone here So it's not just anonymous posters. Michelle Obams "would have to think" also.

[rug]

37. "asswipe"

[blm]

36. But you'd easily support someone who protects the Bushes?

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html



That doesn't make sense to me.

Y'know mitch....


Obama doesn't have the luxury of skincolor to appear too far left - if he adjusted himself to the left the way Edwards and Clinton did for the primary, he'd be called an angry black man. Clinton and Edwards were both further right than their current primary campaign personas and it was ACCEPTED by many of you.

I am surprised that intelligent, contemplative people have missed that aspect of this debate.

[Alexander]

38. Aww, poor baby! Were your precious feelings hurt?

Sounds like you need one of these.



You were never going to vote for Obama anyway. You're a Republican enabler with some self-righteous whining. Your type makes me sick.

[Arugula Latte]

40. Jesus I'm sick of these sour grapes posts. The bashing has gone both ways.

Hillary has been severely criticized; Obama has been severely criticized. Boo Hoo. That's politics.

[Laurab]

41. You know, I can't stand Hillary, and some of her supporters are

so mean, so obnoxious, and they started well before Obama supporters did. I dislike Hillary for a number of reasons - mostly her dishonesty - and the attacks on her husband, IMO were deserved - I loved Bill Clinton, and couldn't believe some of the things he was saying about Obama. He's an ex-president, as well as a spouse, and he went over the line several times IMO. I lost all my respect for him. And you say OBAMA'S campaign is "mean"? We must live in different countries or something. I've been attacked on here many times for supporting Obama by overzealous Hillary supporters, but I'm a grown up, I can take it. I care more about the country than I do about my little feelings being hurt.

Nonetheless, if Hillary wins the nomination, I will vote for her. I won't be happy about it, but I'll do it because we will have a dem administration, and we DO have a few things that need to be fixed in this country, aside from Supreme Court nominations to think about. I don't think she'll fix things as well as Obama will be able to, but she'd sure as hell be better than John "100 years in Iraq" McCain. You're basically being a baby IMO.