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Sun Feb-10-08 04:48 PM
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CNN: Edwards meeting with Clinton & Obama on endorsement. |
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"(CNN) — CNN has learned that former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards met with Hillary Clinton Thursday, and is meeting with Barack Obama Monday, to discuss a possible primary endorsement.
The Thursday meeting, which took place at Edwards’ home in Chapel Hill, was followed by a Saturday night session during which the former North Carolina senator and several longtime advisers discussed many issues, including which candidate he should endorse."
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"There are policy considerations at play: there is a sense within the Edwards camp that Clinton's policies could be better for working class Americans. But Obama's anti-lobbyist proposals are more aligned with Edwards’ politics.
Two friends close to Elizabeth Edwards say she has been in support of Barack Obama, whose campaign has been touting a list of endorsements from former Edwards backers." ------- Hmmm...
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Sun Feb-10-08 04:49 PM
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1. heard any Gore rumors or news? |
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I think it might be a one two punch if one or the other endorses first
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Sun Feb-10-08 04:51 PM
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3. I'd love Gore to endorse someone, but don't think he will. n/t. |
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Sun Feb-10-08 04:54 PM
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6. Gore will have to endorse someone; he's a superdelegate |
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All former presidents/vice presidents are.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:00 PM
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12. He could wait to see who comes out on top.. |
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:02 PM
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15. Who's Bill going for? |
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:41 PM
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34. Something in a short skirt. |
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Sun Feb-10-08 07:54 PM
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44. Figgers. Wonder what his wife thinks of that. |
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:25 PM
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26. he doesn't have to "endorse" until he votes at the convention |
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Sun Feb-10-08 04:50 PM
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2. If Elizabeth Edwards came out in support for Obama.. |
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The Hillbots on here would declare her public enemy #1.
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Sun Feb-10-08 04:53 PM
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4. wouldn't that be sad if they attacked Elizabeth for supporting Obama? |
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:39 PM
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32. wouldn't it be sad if they attacked Elizabeth for supporting Clinton. |
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I expect all sorts of nonsense from the Obamaholics if that happens.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:13 PM
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24. Maybe they will do a Schwarzenegger - Elizabeth backing Obama and John Clinton? |
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Frankly if Elizabeth is secretly supporting Obama there is no way he would come out for Clinton - it will either be Obama or more likely staying neutral!
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:40 PM
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33. No attack on Elizabeth but I am really diappointed if she does endorse |
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Obama. Hillary's efforts for children and women for most of her adult life should earn her more than it does with women. But that's life.
Congrats to Obama supporters on their sweep this week-end.
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Sun Feb-10-08 04:54 PM
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5. If he endorses Obama, great. If her, it will erase all I've believed in him |
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Sun Feb-10-08 04:55 PM
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7. And if you start trash talking Gore like most here will, I will defend him until I'm banned from DU. |
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:44 PM
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36. hell, I'll just ban myself - I keep meaning to anyway... |
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:27 PM
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28. because you know so much more than he |
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Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 05:43 PM by frogcycle
and if he disagrees with you he's an idiot. Do I have that right?
I was sort of waiting to see who he'd endorse because maybe I'd want to take his ADVICE, rather than dictating to him what he should think.
just sayin...
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:36 PM
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31. No, because it means he has sold out to a DINO, and that's a failure of character |
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but if you need someone to tell you what to do, I'm sure you'll get the direction you need.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:46 PM
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37. I think John Edwards knows a little more than most of us. |
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Whoever he endorses, it's the best decision to benefit his agenda. I don't think of it as a sellout, it's a compromise -- the one he thinks will give him the biggest voice in a new administration.
I'd love for Edwards to be president, but that's not going to happen this year. But he can still make a difference, and I hope he does.
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Sun Feb-10-08 04:56 PM
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Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 04:57 PM by TwoSparkles
Edwards and Hillary have some commonalities in their domestic agenda. They don't agree on everything, however.
But...Hillary is the polar opposite of Edwards on issues that are deal breakers--in my book.
Edwards is so adamant about corporate corruption and Hillary is totally silent on that issue, and flanked with corporate money on all sides. Edwards also knows the intricacies of the neocon game and I'd say she's in knee deep with that as well.
Obama, on the other hand--like Edwards pledged not to take Fed lobbyist or PAC money.
Another important clue. The person you meet with FIRST is the person you break the bad news to. You give that person the option of leaking the news, or allowing Edwards to do it. Notice with the Kennedy endorsement, that Ted called the Clinton camp first and broke the news. The Clintons releases the news, giving them a chance to process the bad news and spin it the way they wanted. That's pretty much protocol.
Guys...I don't want to jump the gun here, but it looks like Obama is getting Edwards endorsement. I'm sure there will be a discussion and Edwards will have caveats. However, it looks like Obama is scoring it. I'm so excited now, I can barely type.
And lastly...does anyone actually think that John and Elizabeth would support differing candidates? No way. She's his closest adviser. Edwards' close adviser "Mudcat" was on CNN, and he said he would do everything in his power to make sure Edwards didn't endorse Hillary.
Wow. Just wow.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:03 PM
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16. I was thinking the same on the lineup of who meets with who in what order |
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but didn't have a clear picture as to why one or the other would be strategic. I was kinda thinking that the candidate he would pick would meet first to shore up any lingering issues and then the rejected one to let them know before an announcement was made.
This makes more sense though, especially as we know he has been talking with both over the last several weeks.
Make it so!
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:03 PM
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17. There was also a comment after the initial was made on CNN that... |
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Edwards had a phone conversation with Obama a couple of days ago, after he met with Clinton. Maybe to get some clarity on something discussed with Clinton, maybe to seal the deal? Who knows. But the rumor has been floating that Edwards was going to Endorse Obama on Monday. Of course that rumor could have actually just meant this meeting that's now officially revealed. But then Tuesday is the primary, and with all this floating around, I think an endorsement *may* come. Maybe not. All speculation of course.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:04 PM
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18. Oh, I so hope you're right! n/t |
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Sun Feb-10-08 04:56 PM
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9. If he goes for Hillary, DU will explode |
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John Edwards will become public enemy #1 for Obama mania. The hypocrisy will be fun to watch!
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Sun Feb-10-08 04:56 PM
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10. If he goes for Obama, DU will explode. |
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John Edwards will become public enemy #1 for Hillaryworld. The hypocrisy will be fun to watch!
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Sun Feb-10-08 04:56 PM
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Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 04:57 PM by Bicoastal
Beat me to it.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:01 PM
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13. tough call, but an interesting one to make. |
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what Edwards has in common with Clinton is their support for Iraq war. but his anti-corportist stand should eliminate her as the gift reciever of his endorsement.
Obama may then get John's endorsement, as he has apologized for his great mistake, at least.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:01 PM
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14. The article says something like "IF" he endorses at all. Is there a chance |
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he wouldn't endorse either - or is that just typical press talk?
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:05 PM
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20. There's always a chance |
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Until we know for sure, we can't assume anything.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:41 PM
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35. there's always a chance -- I think CNN is practicing *ass readings* |
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You know, pulling news from the nether region. They've been kn own to do that in the past.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:04 PM
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19. He'd have to wait until after Obama routes Hillary on Tuesday if he's going to endorse her. |
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:07 PM
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It's leverage for whomever gets the endorsement. And in this case, will look good in the eyes of the undecided edwards supporter.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:10 PM
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22. Because an Edwards endorsement isn't going to save her from a Tuesday defeat. |
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Obama is going to win all three contests, and win them handily, regardless of who endorses her. Where an Edwards endorsement plays a role is places like OH, TX et al.
Having Edwards endorse her before she gets routed on Tues. takes the influence away from his endorsement, as the story becomes "why didn't his endorsement help her?"
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:48 PM
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39. Are we sure that's what is going to happen? The routing? |
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I just ask, because I hate getting my hopes up, and haven't seen any polls for Tuesday's contests.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:49 PM
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40. Polls suggest he's up double digits everywhere. |
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:10 PM
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23. John Edwards will be the best Attorney General since RFK |
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And he will do so in the Obamadministration!
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:21 PM
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25. From an Edwards point of view... |
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...he might be more inclined to work with Hillary Clinton. She is much more of a power broker, and much more deeply committed to winning the presidency. Edwards would probably get more for his agenda out of a deal with Hillary Clinton.
On a personality level, John Edwards and Hillary Clinton seem more compatible working together. There were reports from various sources that Barack Obama had 'rebuffed' overtures from Edwards a few weeks ago.
Hillary Clinton seems to have more humility, and to care more personally for those to whom Edwards sought to 'give a voice'. Obama supporters are mostly the liberal elites and African Americans.
I remain committed to John Edwards and hope, if he endorses, he chooses to work with Hillary Clinton.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:26 PM
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27. "Obama supporters are mostly the liberal elites and African Americans" |
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lots of them in Idaho, Nebraska, Maine.. lol
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:34 PM
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30. About those red state caucuses |
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What do you think was really going on? In those red states, and in caucuses in general?
I have a theory regarding the red state vote, and it has much to do with the conservatives in those states who voted for gwbush - twice, and the rabid 'anti-Hillary' sentiment.
As for caucuses, ever been to any? Many of them are dominated with 'cultist activists'. They can be very intimidating, especially in Washington state. :)
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:47 PM
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38. I see that as a foolish statement |
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I am in an area full of white, union workers, most of whom do not have a degree. From everything that I have seen, my area is very strong for Obama. I don't think the midwest in general is full of liberal elites and AA's, but Obama is doing OK in the midwest.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:58 PM
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42. "Hillary Clinton seems to have more humility" |
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Sorry, but that doesn't even compute. There are a lot of positive things about HRC, but "humility" isn't exactly on that list.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:32 PM
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29. Now they're making Edwards look like he is selling his endorsement |
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Sun Feb-10-08 06:06 PM
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43. It looks like he is selling it to me. |
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But, for what price? A position as veep? I don't think that will work for either Hillary or Obama.
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Sun Feb-10-08 05:50 PM
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41. You'd think Edwards would have enough info by now on the two??? |
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