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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:13 PM
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Why the Gore love?
I like Al Gore, and the great job he's done raising awareness of the environment, but when did he become the second coming of FDR or something? Back in 2000, wasn't he that damned DLC centrist who lay down dead for Bushy? Have his politics suddenly changed so drastically in the last 8 years? I know he's grown a personality since then, but why do some people feel like he's some kind of Wellstone-like progressive hero for the Democrats when he's more of a moderate establishment figure?
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:14 PM
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1. part of it has to do with him losing when he really won and people are still pissed off about that (
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:14 PM
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2. If you read "The Assault on Reason" you'll realize he's changed A LOT.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:14 PM
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3. I think like the rest of us, he's been pushed beyond being a moderate. I've been listening to him
alot in the last few years and read his books. He doesn't seem like the same guy from 2000, as I no longer am.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:23 PM
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4. Maybe it was his appearances on Saturday Night Live.
Smokin'.



Or, maybe that he is a remarkable world leader. One or the other, I guess.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:24 PM
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5. Gore embraced single payer insurance in 2002 spoke and worked against the war,
and has embraced the grass roots as a viable and important force in American politics.

Pretty much the opposite of the DLC. He has distances himself conspicuously for a long time from the DLC. He's done a 180 flip flop and we love him for it!

Now there's a cult!
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:25 PM
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6. {{{your response}}}}
:toast:

:-)
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:34 PM
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I posted this in my other response to this thread but thought I would repeat here as well
While Senator, Gore twice attempted to get the U.S. government to pull the plug on support to Saddam Hussein, citing Hussein's use of poison gas, support of terrorism, and his burgeoning nuclear program, but was opposed both times by the Reagan and Bush administrations. In the wake of the Al-Anfal Campaign, during which Hussein staged deadly mustard and nerve gas attacks on Kurdish Iraqis, Gore cosponsored the Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988, which would have cut all assistance to Iraq.

The bill was defeated in part due to intense lobbying of Congress by the Reagan-Bush White House and a veto threat from President Reagan. Gore's positions as a Senator with regard to Iraq would later become an issue in his 1992 campaign for Vice President.


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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 07:46 PM
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16. That's very interesting. Imagine if we had responded by not shipping more WMD related
stuff?

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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:57 PM
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17. I don't KNOW how Gore voted back in 88, I went to Thomas and there are a lot of missing data
How can that be?

Do you know how Gore vote????

I found some other interesting bills that were still in the system.

Like this one.

National Global Warming Policy Act.

S. J. RES. 88
JOINT RESOLUTION
To establish that it is the policy of the United States to reduce the generation of carbon dioxide and for other purposes.

Mr. WIRTH (for himself, Mr. JOHNSTON, Mr. HEINZ, Mr. CHAFEE, Mr. DURENBURGER, Mr. LUGAR, Mr. BUMPERS, Mr. GORE, Mr. CRANSTON, and Mr. KOHL), introduced the following joint resolution; which was ordered held at the desk until the close of business, March 17, 1989


Apparently back before Clinton took over there was some sort of bi-partisanship, but with the new rethuglicon revolution that ALL changed. The Machine was in place and the partisanship was placed directly at the Democrats feet by none other Newtie Patooie.
Of course it WAS the repiglicons who started the partisan politics that has continued to this very day.







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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:28 PM
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7. Gore was hampered by Clinton's policies and advisors in 2000...
He listened to all of those professional losers in his campaign staff that dolled him up in fakeness. He wasn't that way when he was just starting out, and I think he realized that he could have just been himself all along and been fine in 2000. Now that he is cut loose from the political gamesmanship, he is championing a lot of causes that progressives love and is really helping to reposition discussions on things like global warming.

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publicatlarge Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:31 PM
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9. It's always the Clintons...
Unbelievable.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:31 PM
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8. Because he HAS transformed himself, but he has ALWAYS been pro-environment
Why do you make this statement "I know he's grown a personality since then"?

Apparently you bought into the media's perception of his character.

Why do you claim he "who lay down dead for Bushy"

Yes, he belonged to the DLC, but to claim he laid down dead for Bushy, is a false statement. As I recall he filed several lawsuits to have the votes counted.

Al Gore has worked on issues that have an impact on our everyday lives.

Why do you want to tarnish those accomplishments?

Al Gore is a Visionary and a Critical Thinker. He seems to me to be always ahead of the curve.

Here ya go, now go read up!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_gore

I found this tidbit of history VERY interesting:

While Senator, Gore twice attempted to get the U.S. government to pull the plug on support to Saddam Hussein, citing Hussein's use of poison gas, support of terrorism, and his burgeoning nuclear program, but was opposed both times by the Reagan and Bush administrations. In the wake of the Al-Anfal Campaign, during which Hussein staged deadly mustard and nerve gas attacks on Kurdish Iraqis, Gore cosponsored the Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988, which would have cut all assistance to Iraq. The bill was defeated in part due to intense lobbying of Congress by the Reagan-Bush White House and a veto threat from President Reagan. Gore's positions as a Senator with regard to Iraq would later become an issue in his 1992 campaign for Vice President.

I have also respected Al Gore.:loveya:









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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:33 PM
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10. He's a statesman.
He is a reasonable intelligent man who has grown through the years. At one time, he was to the right, but through personal growth, has become a person who thinks deeply and logically about the issues until he comes to the best conclusion about what should be done to combat issues that affect this country and the entire planet.

Not many of our sandbox playing, dirt throwing politicians in this country have the integrity nor the ability to be a mature, positive force for good in this world. Al Gore is a statesman. He really truly believes in this country and he really truly believes in the ideals of the Democratic Party.

He served this country in his youth all the way through adulthood. He went above and beyond fighting for those of us who voted for him only to have the presidency stolen from him by greedy people who did not feel our votes should be counted. He stepped down once the US Supreme Court made their decision.

He strongly disagreed with that decision but he respected the rule of law in this country enough to show us all what he was made of. He fought for us DESPITE the fact that his presidency was not to be.

Many many people have forgotten that solid month it took to settle the 2000 election. He fought long and hard for those of us who voted for him. We respect him for that among many other qualities and actions on his part that proved his leadership abilities.

He really truly believes in a world that can be free of misery and suffering, which can be avoided if we each just take a few steps in each of our personal lives to make the world a better place. He inspires people to experience personal growth and practice positive healing solutions for a better tomorrow.

It is unfortunate that he is not running for president again. I would be proud and hopeful if he was one of our candidates this year. If he put his hat in the ring, I'd change my vote to him so fast it would make heads spin.

Al Gore :patriot:
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:34 PM
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11. why the question?
I mean, why do you bring this up? Just curious.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:37 PM
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12. here's some reasons I love Gore
He's always been pretty clean background wise.

He helped push the implimentation of the early internet.

He is anti war, always has been.

He has been a good family man, seems to always have been respectful of his wife.

Hes smart as heck, thinks things through.

Maybe he was too wonkish when running for President, could have used better advisors.

I really appreciated his strong public opposition to many of Bush's policies.

Like what he is doing with internet tv.

Like what he has done to get people concerned about the environment.

But I have always respected Al Gore alot, I never thought poorly of him.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:39 PM
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13. Be cool he may endorse Barack, Gore has gained huge world respect since 2000 fact.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:48 PM
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14. Al Gore is a great American and a great statesman of the world. He
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 06:49 PM by MasonJar
is out there by himself as a leader of extraordinary merit. He fought for the election in 2000, but while the absurd GOPers filed into Florida to disrupt the election recount and while Faux News misled the public about a Bush win on election night and while Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush eliminated 70,ooo to 90, ooo Democratic voters pre-election, we did not stand strong with Gore. He won more popular votes than any other nominee to that time (except one of the Reagan elections.) 500.000 more citizens voted for Gore than voted for Bush and that does not include the election theft of the GOPers. Yet we did not pour into Florida like the Cheneyites did; we did not insist on a new vote with all illegally disenfranchised voters allowed to vote; we did not insist that the Supreme Court do its duty to Gore as well as Bush, when it made a decision which was to be no precedent. What does that ruling tell you? Al Gore was denied the presidency through theft and yet he made incredible speeches of great moment throughout the Bush presidency against the war, against the anti-environmental policy, etc., etc. Just check Move-on; they were sponsors of the speeches. They probably have records of these inspiring orations. Gore is the man! Not because we admirers say so but because he is.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 07:13 PM
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15. because he's not running. It's as simple as that
Were he to run, his popularity would immediately slide, as the critics came out.
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