Since the Edwards endorsement isn't as inevitable for Obama, I've noticed some attacks on him.

[PresidentObama]

By Obama supporters.

Not a lot of attacks. But some.

With Al Gore not endorsing, John Edwards is the last major endorsement left.

And everyone, even me a month ago, thought Edwards endorsement would always go to Barack Obama.

But with reports he's impressed by Hillary's plan on poverty, the fact that Edwards has shown signs he respects how toughly Hillary Clinton's fought this campaign despite all the attacks, and the fact that her healthcare plan matches his--it seems like some Obama supporters want to attack John because he isn't coming out and backing their guy!

Give John Edwards his chance to make up his own mind.

The issues are important to John, and so is examining how Barack and Hillary would confront those issues.

He doesn't deserve to be attacked because he isn't jumping on the Obama bandwagon. Or the Hillary bandwagon.

....Yet.

ON EDIT: For example, one Obama supporter in another thread said John Edwards isn't really torn...he's just waiting to see which cow to milk. Pathetic!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

1. Naturally.

[Cooley Hurd]

2. Links? Some proof????

:shrug:

[PresidentObama]

3. Just check around the various Edwards threads on DU.

I would post links to their exact posts, but I'm pretty sure that's like calling out the poster. Which is a DU rule.

[Cooley Hurd]

8. Cop out - posting links within DU OF DU threads is NOT calling out....

Trust me, if ANYONE is badmouthing John Edwards, I'll confront them. It's your charge, it's YOUR responsibility to prove it. If not, then you're pulling things out your bum...

[PresidentObama]

12. Go to the thread about Edwards being impressed with Hillary's poverty plan.

In that thread alone, two Obama supporters claim he's just "playing a game" with the endorsement and that he's waiting to see which "cow to milk"

That's just in one thread alone.

There are various others that have been posted today on DU.

If I'm lying, you're more than welcome to look around and see for yourself.

[Cooley Hurd]

15. No, it's your charge - back it up...

:shrug: I'm NOT going to do YOUR dirty work for you.

[PresidentObama]

18. I provided a thread to look at for examples.

Even told you which quotes to look out for.

What more do you want?

If I'm lying, expose me.

Otherwise, stop denying it's happening.

[Cooley Hurd]

22. A simple link you refuse to provide...

...illustrates to me that you aren't willing to back up your charge.

For shame.:thumbsdown:

[PresidentObama]

23. It's on the freaking main page, but here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4541321&mesg_id=4541321

And if you want to continue to accuse me of lying, I'll find more and more links to make you look stupid.

Denial doesn't mean it isn't happening. It is.

[Cooley Hurd]

26. Thank you. Was that so hard?

You do your candidate NO favors by being so recalcitrant in providing proof of your assertions. I asked for proof, and you became argumentative instead of providing the proof. Are you always this difficult?:eyes:

[PresidentObama]

27. Do you always accuse people of lying if you're so lazy you can't look on the main page?

[Cooley Hurd]

30. It was YOUR charge...

...it is YOUR responsibilty to provide proof. You're STILL doing YOUR candidate NO favors by being an asshat about this.:thumbsdown:

[PresidentObama]

35. Shall I alert you for the name calling? And you do your candidate no favors by accusing me of lying.

Because I posted something you didn't agree with.

[Cooley Hurd]

40. You certainly can, although it doesn't change the fact that YOU made a charge...

...that you REFUSED to back up with proof.

I never accused you of lying - I merely asked for proof - proof that you REFUSED to post.:eyes:

[PresidentObama]

42. Apparently you can't read, I posted it.

And perhaps you should learn to follow the rules of the board.

[Cooley Hurd]

48. I did read it...

...although it took you 6 posts to provide proof to you assertions. Oh, and I know the rules of the DU forums. I've been a moderator - that's how I can spot a shit-talking troll.

[PresidentObama]

52. Accusing me of being a troll, name calling, and saying I'm lying.

And they let you be a moderator?

No wonder the board looks so Republican-like these days.

[Cooley Hurd]

60. You do your best to avoid the issue... but, the bottom line STILL is...

...you made a claim, and REFUSED to back it up. Are we having reading comprehension difficulties?

[Mags]

34. You are so arrogant,You do your candidate no favors by being so.

[Cooley Hurd]

43. Hi Mags. Welcome to DU...

I've been here for long enough to know shit-talkers...

[PresidentObama]

46. Shit talkers? Wow. And you claim I do my candidate no favors. Mirror. Get one.

Don't agree with someone's point?

Accuse them of lying. Name call them. Claim they can only talk shit.

Great tactics!

[Cooley Hurd]

50. Oh, you silly child...

You're sparring with the wrong DUer. My suggestion - go get a Coke and calm down. You're blowing a gasket in front of the entire message board, and, frankly, you're embarrassing yourself.

[PresidentObama]

54. Don't drink Coke, it's bad for you.

:)

[Cooley Hurd]

62. ...or snort it:

[PresidentObama]

63. Proud graduate of D.A.R.E!

O8)

[Cooley Hurd]

67. Good for you, although cannabis has gotten a bum rap since...

...Anslinger, Hearst and DuPont.:smoke:

[PresidentObama]

68. If John McCain is elected, I might need some cannabis.

[Cooley Hurd]

75. I'll roll a fatty for us both...

:D

[PresidentObama]

77. We'll certainly need it. Have you seen the McCain parody version of the "Yes, We Can" music video.

It's funny, but at the same time...scary!!

:puke:

[Cooley Hurd]

78. Yep - very brilliant!

:rofl: and :scared:

[Mags]

82. I've been here as long as you have.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. I'm His Witness

Somebody said "Edwards is wating to see which cow to milk"

Now prove I'm a liar...


That's how it's done in court...

[Cooley Hurd]

55. You've disappoined me...

I've been good to you over the years, DSB, yet you decide to thow it away for a fly-by-night poster like the OP. That's too bad...:(

Regardless, I still wish your mother a very happy birthday.:hi:

[cbayer]

69. Someone did say that. Is that an "attack"?

[Hieronymus]

73. Don't hold your breath for a link .. the poster couldn't resist making ..

an attack on Edwards at the end of her post.

[AX10]

4. As expected!

[goldcanyonaz]

5. Not surprising considering that a great many of them were calling for Edwards to quit the race.

[PresidentObama]

7. Amazing, isn't it?

If Edwards would have dropped out, and flat out endorsed Obama right then and there...he would have praised by the Obama supporters.

It's the same thing with Kerry. Some of the Obama supporters attacked Kerry until he endorsed Barack.

[Bluerthanblue]

20. please don't generalize- I understand

your frustration, but I am an Obama supporter, and I WASN'T glad when John dropped out- I had hoped that if Obama wasn't the nom- then he WOULD be. And I am not about to dis John for an endorsement that he hasn't made- as for John Kerry- you will never hear me dis HIM, for not doing what *I* want- I'm a Kerry person through and through (you did say some on Kerry- ;) ).

It is very difficult to be stereotyped- I try and look at people as individuals-

thanks
peace~

[karynnj]

25. I never saw any pattern of the Obama supporters attacking Senator Kerry

I did see certain HRC attacking him gratutitously even when he did nothing that would have triggered it. I also saw MANY Edwards people do so on many 2004 related threads. I think there were several that realized that Kerry was always uniformly positive and very clearly friendly when speaking of Obama.

[chimpymustgo]

6. Obama supporters here NOT helping their guy. I hope Elizabeth isn't spending time on DU

these days.

Shameful.

[PresidentObama]

10. I hope she and John are spending time with their family.

They gave us a year of their lives, and they deserve a little break before they start the new chapter of their lives helping people who need a voice and a fighter/fighters like the Edwards have been. Anyone who questioned how authentic the Edwards were in this campaign will soon find out.

I doubt this is the last we've heard of John Edwards.

[Cooley Hurd]

80. I (at the time an Edwards supporter) was freaked out by the abruptness...

....of his departure. I'm still PRAYING it had nothing to do with Mrs Edwards' health.:(:(

[my3boyz]

24. Do you honestly think John Edwards would make his decision

based upon what a particular candidates SUPPORTERS say? If he is the man I think he is he will look at both candidates and make a decision based upon the issues that are important to him and who he thinks will be the best president. If you think he is a candidate that would make a decision based upon a candidate's supporters then I clearly don't know anything about the man........

[chimpymustgo]

33. Good god - I came no where NEAR to implying that. I hope they are spared the

bilge some people are attacking John with.

And stupid posts.

[ClericJohnPreston]

9. This is one Edwards guy

that has rejected Obama from the start. The fact that JRE is considering Hillary is all good to me!

[Mags]

36. One Edwards girl that feels the same. Thank you.

[Tennessee Gal]

59. Totally agree!

And Edwards gal that rejected Obama from the start. I am proud that John is considering Hillary.

[krabigirl]

65. Same here!!

[jannyk]

81. Sounds great to me!!!

[judaspriestess]

85. I am OK if he endorses Clinton too

Obama, not so much.

[LittleClarkie]

11. I'm as against that as I was the attacks on Kerry and Kennedy

Like when someone called Kennedy a turd and another brought up Chappaquiddick.

Legit criticisms are one thing. Attacks quite another.

[PresidentObama]

14. Understood, and I agree. Two wrongs never make a right. And I think it's disgusting.

John Edwards doesn't deserve to be attacked because he may not endorse your candidate.

And if he does, these posters who are attacking him, are they going to praise Edwards? If so, hypocrisy isn't it?

[cali]

13. hey, I've never held Edwards in particularly high esteem

but he has the right to endorse anyone he wants. And good for Clinton if she gets his endorsement. But I'm not about to change my opinion of him now.

[Donnachaidh]

44. really?

Wow -- certainly tone it down when smearing is pointed out. :eyes:

[jackson_dem]

16. And they wonder why so many see cultike tendencies among them

Obama has won 6 million votes. Few of them are cult members. However, a significant number of Obama activists do have traits of cult members and there is ample evidence of it on DU. Cults have one "truth" and anything that doesn't comport with it must be evil. Anyone who endorses someone other than St. Obama MUST be evil!

[kid a]

17. this is a "some people say" thread...a la faux news

[jackson_dem]

19. It's the truth. Many Edwardians have noticed this

[PresidentObama]

21. Jackson_dem is right. As an Edwardian for Hillary, I find it disgusting.

If Edwards endorses Obama, I won't attack him.

I respect his decision.

As I did Kerry and Kennedy, both personal idols of mine, when they endorsed Obama.

[Drunken Irishman]

32. Were you here when Kennedy & Kerry endorsed Obama?

Clinton supporters really ripped into them.

Face it, both sides have assholes.

It's unfortunate, but don't act like this is only an Obama thing.

Thanks!

:hi:

[PresidentObama]

37. Like I said to LittleClarkies post above, it sucks no matter who they endorse.

As long as they have legit reasons to endorse them, they shouldn't be attacked.

I'm a big fan of John Kerry's, and I was personally upset to see all the attacks on him when he endorsed Barack Obama for President.

It sucks.

[Drunken Irishman]

38. I know, but I tire of people suggesting every Obama supporter hates Edwards now.

When I'm guessing it's a very vocal minority who are talking trash about Edwards -- just as it was a very vocal minority of Clinton supporters who were talking trash about Kerry and Kennedy.

[PresidentObama]

39. Like I said in my OP, it's only SOME of the Obama supporters.

I would never try and say otherwise.

[Political Heretic]

28. You are really reaching, sir.

You really have to "want" this to see it.

[PresidentObama]

29. The only thing I'm reaching for is the Dasani ;)

Just telling those attacking Edwards to cool it.

And stop whining.

He hasn't even made his endorsement official yet, and people are attacking him because he's torn.

[mtnsnake]

53. Good gawd, Kerry, that stuff is nothing but tap water!

Toss the Dasani and grab a little SoBe Life Water instead. Yummm

[PresidentObama]

57. I love Dasani. The tap water in my town is pretty icky.

I'm an Aquafina man myself.

But this was on sale.

:)

[mtnsnake]

64. Alright, but there might be a reason why it was on sale

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0304-04.htm :evilgrin:

[PresidentObama]

70. It's still delicious.

A lot better than the tap water here.

It's either that or Dr. Pepper.

And well, you know which is healthier.

[Political Heretic]

83. I'm a fan of the nestle flavored water, most people I know think I'm nuts for that...

..but I love it. Causes me to drink much more water in a day than I otherwise would. :)

[MoonRiver]

31. I've noticed too.

It's part of the scorched earth Obamania campaign. UGH.

[flyarm]

41. what else is new from the bushbots...i mean obama bots...the ipod kids are on the loose!! eom

[rodeodance]

45. Thanks. nice post

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. Thank you. n/t

[cbayer]

51. Uh, I might be one of those people you are talking about.

And i am a Clintobama or Obaclinton supporter. And I have posted some of my thoughts on what is going on with JE right now. I don't consider them attacks, and apologize if they come off that way. I just question some of the underlying assumptions about him. I think he is a politician in a prime political position right now and is weighing his options, as any good politician would do. Whatever he does, I hope that his supporters will respect his decision and understand that he made the best deal he could.

[cd3dem]

56. I voted for John Edwards in 2004 and went to his rally... now I am a Hillary fan...

both care about people and want them to have the things they need in life to survive.... health care, jobs, homes, a decent wage....

Obama just wants their money so he can run his ads and send booklets to every household... even if he is taking from the poor!

I wish Elizabeth were healthy and she could run for president! She is awesome!!

[NJSecularist]

58. What's up with Kerry2008 calling everybody out today?

Get off your high horse. :thumbsdown:

[PresidentObama]

61. I don't like liars, people who distort, and who smear Democrats. Sorry.

[Cooley Hurd]

66. Neither do I...

...and Senators Edwards, Clinton and Obama are all Dems (as have I been since stuffing envelopes for McGovern in the 1972 GE).

[PresidentObama]

71. Damn skippy. Three very good Dems.

[Cooley Hurd]

74. Please understand, if Senator Clinton gets the nod, I'll campaign as ferverently....

...for her as I would for Senator Obama. I've been very vocal about my disdain for ANYONE who might bash Senator Obama, and I've been vocal about my disdain for anyone who bashes Senator Clinton (do a search - :evilgrin:).

I apologize for the tone of my posts to you. I reckon both you and I will both be pulling the "D" levers next November. There's been too many negative posts about BOTH candidates - none of them will ultimately help us next November.

When anyone posts a charge (about ANY of our candidates) without proof, I feel compelled to challenge them. I hope you understand why.:hi:

[PresidentObama]

76. I love Senator Obama, so if he gets the nomination...expect my full support.

Sorry our exchange got heated :)

Good Democrats make a few missteps now and again!

[Mass]

72. Hillary has a plan about poverty - Wonder why nobody posted it here.

For the rest, IMHO, Edwards is free to endorse whoever he wants, or nobody. Contrarely to what many Edwards and Clinton supporters have done when Kerry and Kennedy endorsed Obama, I will not blame him for that.

BTW, just as any other candidates including Edwards, Obama has some supporters that are stupid. Nothing new and nothing to be surprised by. However, double standards should not apply.

[Yael]

79. To me, it would just say that his whole "from the gut"

thing about lobbyists was a sham and that politics does indeed trump all.

He made a stated point in the NH debate that with him, it was "personal, not political (Hillary) and not academic (Obama)" and went on to say that IF it is personal, you don't throw it away for political gain.

He portrayed her to his supporters as the polar opposite of him. His endorsement (should he make one) of her would completely discredit him -- something he can ill afford if he wants to make politics his career as that was the main thing people had against him.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

84. maybe John is waiting to be VP?

maybe he won't endorse until he gets a clearer picture of the race. It wouldn't look good if he endorses the loser if you see what I mean?