I switched to Hillary from Edwards, and have been astounded by the anti-Hillary tone here

[LisaM]

Was it like that before Edwards got out? I am sorry but I guess I wasn't paying attention, just looking for positive JE threads. If you have been going through this the whole time, then you have my apologies for not noticing earlier and standing on the sidelines while you have been weathering this storm.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. No-The JRE-HRC Rivalry Was Largely But Not Entirely Civil

~

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

2. Yes, it was every bit as bad.

Thanks for your honesty in confirming the observer effect we all have of overlooking hatefulness when it's not our ox being gored.

[LisaM]

11. That's the truth, isn't it? Like sports playoffs.

You have to be really careful not to learn to hate a team, because you might have to root for them in the next round.

[Occam Bandage]

3. It was worse. And you know what the funny thing is?

If you had switched to Obama, you'd be astounded at the anti-Obama tone here.

[tandem5]

8. not for me... I just look at the thread list and count - pretty quantifiable nt

[Occam Bandage]

17. I've done numerous impromptu studies. It's usually pretty even. Some nights

Obama takes a lead, some nights Clinton takes a lead. Seriously, sit down and try to determine, thread by thread, the number of attack posts. Overall, neither candidate gets it worse.

[girl gone mad]

36. I don't think so.

I switched to Obama and I see a lot more Hillary hate.

[JKaiser]

4. yeah I think that most of the obama fans are nasty acting

[tandem5]

5. ah well there is no point to getting into the fray on this board anyway...

a comment here and there for me, but there is no reason to engage.

[truedelphi]

6. All I know is every time I posted that I liked something that Kucinich or Edwards did

OR said, at least one person would come along and say, "But if Hillary is the candidate, you'll vote for her in the Genreral Election won't you?"

I got so friggin' sick of it.

[beachmom]

7. Somebody called Obama "boy" today. There is ugliness on both sides. nt

[LisaM]

9. Here? On this forum? Well I hope the post was yanked

And the poster banned.

Or, was it David Shuster? (Ha ha, sorry, couldn't resist).

[beachmom]

34. Yes, here on GDP. I put the poster on ignore so I don't know

what happened. May I suggest using the ignore function quite liberally, to edit out the flamers ...

[Tom Rinaldo]

40. The actual term used was "boy child". Pretty bad, but not quite as bad as "boy" alone n/t

[splat]

10. A lot of longtimers feel drowned out and dissed, and have left for now

[LisaM]

13. Well I've been around since nearly the beginning

And it's always bad during elections (primary time) but I think you're right about the blastfax effect.

[avrdream]

15. Yeah, I have noticed that.

It is sad because those longtimers often had research based opinions and I think they may have helped to calm things down around here.

But I don't blame them for getting away. Tough on the old blood pressure.

[girl gone mad]

38. Can't wait for our nominee to be decided..

and for these plants to fade away.

[onehandle]

12. It's hard to like Obama because of some of his supporters lack of class at DU. nt

[Proud2BAmurkin]

14. I don't like Obama but his supporters here are OK. They're passionate about

their empty candidate. I can't hold that against them.

[Tennessee Gal]

16. This is why I wrote this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4543816

[Captain Hilts]

18. Folks here are being played by the RNC....nt

[nonconformist]

19. I switched from Edwards to Hillary too, and I don't think it was quite this bad

But it was bad. I stayed out of most of it, and just focused on Edwards. I do know that some Obama supporters were vicious towards Edwards, too.

[newmajority]

43. If you switched from Edwards to Hillary

Shouldn't you change your name to Conformist? :evilgrin:

[nonconformist]

46. No.

Maybe if I supported Obama, because of bandwagon effects and the media love.

Actually, I chose this name when I joined during the lead-up to the Iraq war, because I was not falling for the media hype of that event, either.

[AX10]

49. Great comeback!

:thumbsup:

I to would consider myself a conformist if I supported Obama.

[thevoiceofreason]

20. Don't judge a candidate by the vitriol of his/her fans

Look at the issues. On a blog, folks say lots of things they would never say face to face. I dare say many are young and inexperienced in the political process. Also, some are trolls. Regardless, all my discussion just explains that behavior, it doesn't excuse it.

Peace

[Shine]

21. I'm an Edward supporter who is currently watching the DU implosion with humor and

:popcorn: there's been ugliness on both sides, to be sure. :eyes:

[LittleClarkie]

22. I switched from leaning Edwards to going with Obama, and ditto, only in reverse

It's amazing how your perception changes when you go with a candidate.

It's still pretty much a few posters on both sides, I'm sure.

[Cha]

23. Well, lisa, I evolved from Edwards to Obama and

can't tell you how nasty the hilary surrogates have been over the year. They really turned me off..although I would never support hilary based on her IWR vote and not apologizing for it like Edwards and Kerry did.

I have found the Obama supporters to be the most honest, humorous, and intelligent like the candidate himself who was against the War On Iraq from 2002 and showed leadership with his eloquent speech against bush's war.

<snip>

"After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again. I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

Obama has foresight and courage..qualities we need in a leader.

[gaspee]

24. I'm still voting Edwards

On March 4th. I'm getting kind of sick of the Obama love fest going on here on DU. Every single thread is either praise Obama! or Hillary Hate. It's kind of scary, actually.

[BanzaiBonnie]

25. I don't get why people have to behave so viciously

At the caucus here Saturday, we all talked about how difficult it was to make a decision about who to support.

I think there is something about the anonymity of the internet that people kinda go nuts over and say things they would never say to someone face to face. And there's a bunch-o-trolls cruising and stirring things up.

[OzarkDem]

26. Yes it was

Now they're demanding Edwards endorse Obama.

[waiting for hope]

29. Now that just makes me sick -

Please, should John kiss his ring too? I hope to God he doesn't endorse, or if he does, Clinton because her health care plan is better and I think she'd be great on environmental issues.

JFC - I just defended Hillary. What a strange world we live in....

[saracat]

31. Isn't it? Me too! Who woulda thunk it?

[waiting for hope]

33. I know - we have gone totally frickin nuts!

Psst - don't drink the yellow kool-aid, better yet, don't drink anything at all!

[NashVegas]

37. LMAO - I Know!

If you told me a year ago I'd be voting - willingly - for Hillary in the primary I'd have laughed in your face. During the last DU fundraiser, I was probably one of the people who pushed her back in the horse race.

:hide:

[Guava Jelly]

27. Anti Obama tone is alive and well here too.

I am a former Edwards supporter as well.
People on both sides are assholes and babies.
Anyone who tells you different is full of it.
And if by chance you believe it..You might need to take another unbiased look ..peace

[mmonk]

28. Yeah, sure, it's all one way.

[saracat]

30. I loathed Hillary but was not sexist in my attacks. I now support her as the closest to Edwards in

what will benefit the people.The sexism and the complete disregard of it on DU as an issue has been reprehensible.I never wanted this race to be about sexism vs racism and that is what it has deteriorated into, with , surprisingly for me to observe, a healthy dose of ageism. I still will only vote based on the issues. Hillary has the best heath care program but I will not allow the sexism to go anymore unanswered than the racism., or ageism.It is revolting that is is found on an alleged Democratic Board.

[newmajority]

44. Closest to Edwards? HILLARY??

Edwards was campaigning on a crusade against corporatism. Hillary and the DLC *ARE* corporatists. How the Hell can you claim she is anywhere near where Edwards was?

As for the sexism allegations, I don't know of one single person who would refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton simply because she's a woman. I could care less. I've voted for a female governor and two senators. I'd vote for the governor and one of the senators again. I won't vote for the other one for the same reason I won't vote for Hillary. She (Cantwell) is a DLC corporatist who votes with the Democratic party less than 50% of the time.

[saracat]

45. Obama has "guaranteed corporations and the insurance companies a "place at the table.He said so in

Hillary is the only one of the two remaining candidates with a "universal " health care plan.This was the keynote of John's platform.Hillary's healthier plan is almost identical to John's Obam's is not.He is planning on "negotiating with Big Pharma and the Insurance Industries".Whether you trust her or not Hillary has promised to "fight" the corporate interests. She has promised to reduce corporate influence.Barack has not. Barack wants to reach across the "aisle" to the GOP. It hasn't worked with Pelosi and Reid and it won't work for him. He already sold out to the lobbyists in Illinois on heath care.He will do it again. Even JRE has said Hillary has the plans on health care and poverty that are closer in substance to his own.

[AX10]

50. I would like to see an Clinton/Edwards ticket.

[NMMNG]

32. It was like that before JRE got out

But it's become more vitriolic since then as HRC is the last opponent standing. I'd swear this was FR sometimes given the RW talking points and name-calling we're witnessing towards her.

[amborin]

35. the hatred toward hillary is horrific

just on that basis alone, i would say Obama needs to control his supporters

as someone said, that venom alone is an indicator of their cult-like tendencies

[DIKB]

39. Perception defines reality.

I switched from Edwards after he dropped out, to Obama (the candidate most likely to beat McCain in the GE). I have been ASTOUNDED by the anti-Obama rhetoric, Media manipulation, fact-blindness, etc. of the Clinton campaign and it's supporters.

I don't need to go negative at all.

HRC has the highest negativity polling: FACT.
HRC does the worst against McCain in head to head polling: FACT.
Obama represents (at the very least) a change from the exchanging of power back and forth from the Bush-Clinton dynasties: FACT.

The facts are not liberal, they are not negative, they simply are.

[jackson_dem]

41. I have been dismayed by it too (another Edwardian)

[elana i am]

42. the same as it ever was.

and i don't think it's the least bit shocking. maybe it's shocking for people who couldn't imagine fellow dems could hate the clintons with such a passion. but speaking as a person who hated clintons long before ever thinking of becoming politically active let alone becoming a dem, we can and we do.

i think there's probably more of us than you think, it was just never a topic of heated debate until the past couple years. they were out of sight out of mind for years until a hillary presidency became a threat.

[paulk]

47. it's been this way since before the primaries even started

24/7 Hillary hate for a good year and a half now.

[AX10]

48. The hate for Hillary is nothing new.

It became widespread on the left only when Obama began climbing in the polls after Thanksgiving.