The Negativity On This Forum Is By FAR BIASED AGAINST HILLARY And I Have Quantitative Evidence.

[musicblind]

When someone on here mentions to the hardcore Obama supporters that it seems like they are saying many more negative things about Clinton than Clinton Supporters are saying about them... Obama supporters deny it. They say things such as "We have one post for every "cult" post out there. Now, granted, the cult posts are stupid. I think all of this fighting on both sides is silly.

But here are the facts.

I decided to test this theory that the hate was equal. So I took a snap shot of the first page of the GD-P threads at 10:54 pm. This is just to see... I located:

24 negative Hillary Threads. (These were not counting threads that merely discussed Hillary or Obama in a neutral light)

12 negative Obama Threads (These were not counting threads that merely discussed Hillary or Obama in a neutral light)

In fact I did not even count threads such as "I like Hillary but have major fears about her campaign". I counted threads that were posted with a negative purpose or propaganda against that candidate. As it turns out Hillary has TWICE as many attacks on here at 10:54 pm than does Obama.

I will try and take another sample at another random time to see if this continues to hold up. Feel free to count for yourself. This is not in someone's "head". Obama supporters are being much more aggressive towards Hillary's supporters on the DU message boards according to this random sample.

If this holds up then I think Obama supporters should consider re-evaluating their claims of victimization, and try and extend the first olive branch ... because their negativity seems to currently be in the majority, at least as far as the angry thread post count indicates.

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. Do that study 25 more times over a week and you might have "quantitative evidence"

Jesus. Don't people learn about methodology anymore?

[Dogmudgeon]

14. n = 36 is a pretty valid sample already

n = 900 would be overwhelming.

--p!

[intaglio]

65. Ah those Polls - so accurate

:silly: :rofl:

[lojasmo]

69. N=36 is NOT a valid sample. Not even close. EOM

[polpilot]

91. She's divisive...no surprise here!!! FLASH: Hillary has high negatives!!

[jimbot]

116. Um...sample?

Methinks someone needs to learn the difference between a random sample, a convenience sample and the implications on sample size and generalizability.

--JT

[AngryAmish]

120. Don't even bother discussing statistics around here

You are better off pounding your head against a wall. At least that feels good when you stop.

[musicblind]

24. well I said in my OP that I was going to try and take more samples at various points

in the next few days. But that was an accurate sample of what is happening at this moment, or actually at 10:54 pm.

[Tellurian]

52. Please include a statistical count of the video slots on the front page..

There are 11 slots.. 8 of the are Pro-Obama.. -0- Pro-Hillary..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/

I am a Hillary supporter and seldom can get any positive coverage of my candidate equal to the videos posted for Obama or (gasp) Republicans, like McCain and Huckabee.

I understand they aren't any moderators here that ARE Hillary supporters and never have been. That inofitself, may be the reason for the extreme bias. I don't know what else could be causing the unfair treatment.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/images2/hillaryclinton_wideweb__470x308,02.jpg

[Bongo Prophet]

70. Maybe you should post a positive thread about Hillary, then. that would help.

Why so few positive threads?
Why more threads knocking a candidate than supporting them?

I don't know, but it is interesting.
Perhaps there is uncertainty in the air.

The air of uncertainty is generally harder to breathe
than the heir of inevitability.

It is so unlike a few months ago,
when the constant message was that the centrists didn't need progressive voters.
That they should just go away.
Remember that? I do.

[Dogmudgeon]

2. Thank you! and K&R

It's even more pronounced when you count posts -- but that increases your work load by a factor of 20.

Now, get ready for fifty irate replies.

:headbang:

--p!

[TexasObserver]

3. Logic is your friend. A lot of people here despise Hillary and always have.

It's a natural function of the number of posters here. Look at the polls. There are twice as many Obama fans as Hillary fans here.

[goldcanyonaz]

6. And many have taken up despising Obama too, they're just not as vocal about it.

[jaysunb]

4. Is it possible that

there are simply more Obama supporters here than Clinton ?

[Orsino]

100. Or that Clinton's many more years of experience...

...simply contain more gotchas. It ain't bias if it's true.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

110. 35 YEARS of experience for Change!

nickels? Dimes? Quarters? Certainly not! Not as one of the top directors of Walmart, or working with Coke to stop unionization efforts, while stomping on worker rights. Now, that's what I call change.

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[Liberal Veteran]

7. Wow. Got a bit of time on your hands there sport?

The "forum" is not a sentient and monolithic entity.

It certainly may be biased in a direction, but maybe one side just outnumbers or out posts the other?

[musicblind]

22. that is what I am trying to say

that one side out posts or out numbers the other. or seems that way.

yeah, I do have a lot of free time right now. I'm badly hearing impaired and have developed an ear infection... which means I can't wear my hearing aid and am essentially deaf. So now all my free time is spent sitting along for the time being because I can't hear anything, be social, listen to music, or watch TV lol. It'll be gone in a week or so.

[Bongo Prophet]

84. I hope your infection clears up soon, musicblind. you can still read and count

and dance like no one's watching
and think
and meditate
and knit
and pet your pets
and pleasure yourself
and watch Marcel Marceau
and sing like no one's listening,
which might well be true!


Glad to have you here on this crazy board, welcome 2 D U . . .

[VotesForWomen]

67. and if s/he didn't have the numbers, you'd say s/he was making things up and dismiss the claim.

[KittyWampus]

9. And a couple of days ago, I did the same and found close to opposite. It ebbs and flows

[creeksneakers2]

37. I did a count a week ago, but I used the greatest page

I came out with:

Negative about Hillary - 28
Positive about Hillary - 30
Negative about Obama - 26
Positive about Obama - 86

[Bongo Prophet]

72. Yes, it does ebb and flow. And prolific posters' schedules will affect it too.

It would be very interesting to see a day/night shift sample.

certainly, more data is needed before beginning to reach conclusions.

[Jed Dilligan]

10. So? The polls show more Obama supporters consistently

by a factor of two to one. Your "sample" gives the expected insignificant result: the same proportion of both factions posting negative threads at this time. Each side seems to be about equally negative.

[Quixote1818]

34. Thats exactly right. nt

[NashVegas]

11. Thanks

I'm sure I have a lot (on both sides) in my killfile.

Welcome to DU!

[Bongo Prophet]

76. You have a killfile? Damn, that sounds cool! All I have is ignore. Skinner!?

I want my killfile!
Who the hell to I have to ... ah, never mind.

[joshcryer]

12. Statistically, since there are more Obama supporters here, there will be more assholes here who...

...support Obama. I don't see the controversey.

[Liberal Veteran]

16. Shocking how statistically logical that was.

And in GDP no less.

[Bongo Prophet]

85. When we aren't fightin' we be somewhat smarter! Imagine that.

God I love those kitties.
Okay, who put ecstasy in my mocha?

[HughMoran]

13. Obama has 2X the number of supporters here

Polls show that Obama consistently has twice the number of supporters here than Hillary does, so the 2:1 attack number shouldn't seem that surprising to anyone. FYI, I have done similar unscientific counts and come up with similar numbers, though there are slow times where the place is more civil.

[rucky]

114. 'Zactly!

and twice the chance of having an individual post anti-Clinton crap here.

[Cha]

15. hilary has more negatives than

Obama..sorry if that makes you upset. Maybe hilary shouldn't have taken the path of least resistance starting with the YEA on the IWR vote right through to the YEA on the vile kyl-lieman bill. And then she and bill starting smearin'jeerin' 'cause they have no credibility to stand on. Just the ol' treasure chest and it looks like they didn't make a plan B after Super Tues like the bushites didn't have a plan B after they bombed Iraq.

[libertee]

19. how funny is your response..makes a good laugh before bedtime..thanks.

[Cha]

27. I don't expect hilary supporters to

have any serious discussion ..it's all about the blinders and having a good yuk..which is a good description of hilary.

[totodeinhere]

21. Right on.

There are more negative threads about Clinton because there are negative things to say about her. The posters are merely pointing out some of the baggage that Hillary brings to her campaign.

[rodeodance]

26. no, not really--just more Obamacrickets out each hour!!

[mathewsleep]

17. maybe because there is more negatives about hillary then obama.

[Dogmudgeon]

20. Or maybe Obama followers are just more negative

--p!

[jgraz]

33. Not really. Kucinich and Edwards supporters have mostly negative things to say about her as well

She's not well-liked. What part of that is so hard to understand? I thought we were making it pretty damn obvious.

[saracat]

38. Actually quite a few Edwards supporters now support Hillary. I know I do and I did not before.

[jgraz]

40. True. It's also true that Obama supporters are not the only Hillary critics on DU

Trying to pin Hillary's negatives on one faction or another is a bit disingenuous.

[Dogmudgeon]

50. "What part of that is so hard to understand?"

It's not.

When you hear and read the same slanders and lies over and over for a couple years, parroted by your friends, and the magazines you read, it's going to sink in. The further toward the political extremes you get, the worse the rancor is. And I don't know anybody who will admit that they can be deceived in any way.

Before the inevitable "same for you!", I can truly say that I once believed the same crap. There is almost nothing I have seen here in this primary season that is any different from earlier screeds and campaigns against the Clintons. Over the years, I have looked into most of the charges made against them, and they are inevitably bogus, the products of spin, creative "reframing", and outright lies.

But don't worry. Barack Obama will face the same future, especially if he wins.

--p!

[Bongo Prophet]

79. Don't bring down the party atmosphere, pigwidgeon! Have some mocha!

Many are tired of the whole drama being ramped into distortion.
It hurts the ears and damages the brain.

If it is a comfort to you that Obama will face the same slanders, lies and bogus charges, then what a greater comfort it must be for you to have started that trend before he even got the nomination! You can look back and say, "See this bogus news story? I was one of the ones that started it all!" It's kinda touching, if you think about it. There at the start!

Downright historical.
Prosit! :toast: To your health, P!

Dems gotta win, that's the bottom line.

[splat]

18. Lots of ladies have exited since the tone became 'guys' locker room'

This is my thousandth post.

[rodeodance]

30. congrat on the big MIL!

[musicblind]

35. congratulations on reaching the 1000th!

[splat]

46. It took nearly DU's lifetime for this quiet person to post that much

Thanks, folks.

[musicblind]

47. OMGsh!

Well then really really, congratulations.

Here! Big toast to you! :toast:

It is the quiet people who often have the most important things to say ;)

[splat]

48. hey, it's a party in the middle of this thread. very cool.

Cake and ice cream over here... chocolate.

[musicblind]

49. Did someone say PARTY???

First we need beverages :beer: and then of course snacks :popcorn: and everyone having a BLAST! :rofl: and that makes one big party! :party:

Splat and Splat's 1000th post ROCK! Can't wait until I someday reach mine! May I hopefully use them WISELY :)

[splat]

51. A surprise party sures beats the snarkfest

Musicblind, I dunno about wisely. Prob'ly depends on the beverages. It'll be fun, though.

[Bongo Prophet]

77. Oh, I am always down for chocolate! ------I feel the love already.

Here is wishing more frequent post from you, splat!
You helped get a party started in here.

Parties are the best elixir to treat battle fatigue.
Salut! :toast: <---those are mochaccinos, because it is 6am here.

[Adelante]

80. 1000

YAY :toast:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

23. Pie Chart? Graph? Spread sheet? Statistics? Anything?

How is that list "quantitative"?

Come on, that was a tease to all us metricians here, it's our poetry.

On edit, numbers are a power and that power can be easily abused. I'm confident that wasn't the intent, but laying down something which was anecdotal and calling it quantitative is a bold move that should have much, much more to support it.

[Bongo Prophet]

82. Metricians make pies? I really like pie, AND poetry. Color me intrigued.

Seriously, I got your laffer curve right here - I am not a number!
but I do have issues with negative numbers always bringing down my averages.
Okay, my pun quotient is off the charts.
Back to the bar, too much mocha for me.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

89. See, THAT'S what I was talking about!

:rofl:

:toast:

[Usrename]

111. That pie is irrational.

You will get your just deserts.

[Sir Jeffrey]

25. Make use of the ignore feature...

it really makes this place tolerable.

[Bongo Prophet]

92. Let us not be satisfied with tolerable. soon it may be safe to stop ignoring

Brave Sir Jeffrey, be a knight for the cause.
There is more than the grey resignation to bad behavior.
We can take back this place from the freepers foul jaws
and reason and play, and polis our claws
and sharpen our wits so we cut like a sword
through the overblown bullies of the publican horde.

the day will be ours
naysayers won't stay
together is the only way

that poster that pestered and never abated
kept pushing, name calling, until he was hated
will be at our side
for the right to decide
who holds the greater powers
together we'll seize the day
together is the only way

[Coexist]

28. even my 8yo was required to repeat his experiment 3x

or he failed his science fair project.

[musicblind]

39. I stated clearly that I will post future installments. I cannot

repeat the experiment immediately. I should at least wait until mid day tomorrow or tomorrow night. The next one may find a different outcome. We will see. Though I get the impression that if I did 20 different rounds of this... there would be another reason people would debunk anything I had to say.

[habitual]

109. well, then i guess the point would be to gather your data

FIRST before coming and saying that you can PROVE things....

If you need to do several samples to get a good feel for a generalization, why would you post your results after just one? oh wait.....

[LittleClarkie]

29. It comes and goes

Somedays one way, some days another. Depends on who's winning sometimes, or the latest primary.

Before I became an Obama supporter I was disgusted with both sides.

Once I chose a side, my perception was that Obama was getting attacked more.

But I'm sure it's still both sides.

Being a supporter warps your perception sometimes.

[Bongo Prophet]

86. You are wise in the ways our filters display projected perceptions, to the point of deception.

We fought and tried,
got cheated and cried,
faced with four more years of shit.
So we pick ourselves up,
pour some hope into our cup,
have another go at it.

This time, it's our turn.

Always enjoyable input from you, LC.
:hi:

[high density]

31. You take a sampling of 36 threads out of hundreds, if not thousands

that have been posted over the past month?

I think you need to enlarge your sample size quite a bit. Otherwise you're just whining, and to be honest there's already enough of that on this forum to go around.

[musicblind]

42. actually you can't claim that i am whining

because, while I support Hillary, and will vote for her as of right now. I also support Obama and have said on here before that he will make a wonderful president. In fact the only negative thing I've ever said about Obama on here has been based on experience, and Cali pointed out the role advisers have in any presidential cabinet and was able to help me see the issue a little differently.

So no, I have admiration for Obama as well. I just recently read an Obama supporter retort a Clinton supporter by claiming that there was one negative Obama thread for every negative Hillary thread and I thought I would check and see.

[dailykoff]

32. Quantitative evidence that Hilly is unpopular.

Congratulations Einstein.

[truedelphi]

41. It would seem that on a board called Democraticunderground

An above board corporatist like Hillary would probably be required to run the gauntlet a lot.

And if she doesn't like it, she could go hang out and campaign for Kooch and learn from him what it would take to please us progressives.

[mudesi]

36. Your experiment is lacking.....

I would hardly call your little experiment scientific or conclusive in any way.

That being said, there is good reason to be anti Clinton, and I'm actually quite surprised that she has so many supporters here.

[FlyingSquirrel]

43. Dude you sound like me when I first came here...

Trying to make sense of it all.

Just one thing - Not all the people attacking Hillary are necessarily Obama supporters. A lot of people here are still either hung up on their candidate who no longer is viable or in the race, or has decided for whatever reason not to come out and support either candidate because they are unhappy with the MSM or the process or whatever.

Sure, there are probably at least as many Obama supporters attacking Hillary as the other way around, perhaps even more. But not by a 2 to 1 margin. There are a lot of people who simply don't like HRC and feel she would be a bad choice for our party to make. Not just people who don't think she can win the GE either.

Maybe you should recheck your numbers and see how many of the people in those threads had an Obama avatar/sig line or have come out and specifically stated they support Obama.

[Jane Austin]

44. Which side does this thread fall in?

Anti-HRC or Anti-Obama?

[musicblind]

45. Neither

nothing negative is said about Obama. I think he is a swell upstanding guy who will make a great president. I am merely pointing out the facts about the state of things. I am going to vote for Hillary, but do not dislike, nor smear Obama. This would not be a negative thread about Hillary either as nothing is said in particular about the candidate.

I included threads that were specifically negative about one of the candidates.

The main point is how ridiculous this fighting his when we are ALL democrats and ALL supporting strong candidates. We just have different preferences about which one would be the absolute best. There is no reason for the board to be so negative about these differences.

[Bongo Prophet]

88. Anti-STFU, anti-Drama, anti-control group, anti-depressant.

pro-DU.
Pro-"hey, let's take a thread that could turn ugly and make it a lounge party instead."

There's more than one junior scientist using DU as a sociological antfarm. ;)

D I Y

[bilgewaterbill]

53. The negative threads run 2-to-1 against Hillary....

Kinda like the vote Saturday.

[Life Long Dem]

54. I noticed this board dropped considerablyin attacks the last week.

For whatever reason(s), I don't see this past week representing this election.

[Bongo Prophet]

90. The adults are coming back. Clean up has already commenced.

Things happen in the shadows.
What those things are, who knows?
Who indeed, when they see the need
will rise to rival the crows?


A small band of gardeners can change quite a bit.
A bouquet of blossoms can emerge from the shit.
Lovely clusters of flowers can rise,
to raise up our spirits, and lift up our eyes -
Add measures of rain, face the sun, fertilize-
maybe with luck some good comes of it!


Breathe deep the free air, as a new wind blows-
Who knows what we reap from the ground we sow?
Some care about this place, that much is true.
It's filled with progressives, and that's what we do.

:yoiks: bP, out.

[zulchzulu]

55. Boo hoo. Gimme a friggin' hanky...

These "attacks" were based on what? Her voting record? Her lies about Obama? Her ever changing positions on issues?

:shrug:

[Bongo Prophet]

93. Got no hanky, sorry.

Tis frivolous science,
but some celebration
can dilute the anger
and vilification.

Not worth the time
as it captures no votes
not worth the pain
just to sow more spoiled oats.

i am just one old white guy
underedumacated and shy,
but i bleed and i dream
and i vote!
Hear me scream,
"I am NOT some demographic
in tim russert's eye.

[grantcart]

56. how many threads were aimed at Obama supporters vs Hillary supporters?

[fadedrose]

57. If I say I like Hill better to make you happy, will you say you like Obama better to make me happy?

[musicblind]

58. you don't have to say you like anyone better

I have said many nice things about Obama, in this thread alone.

You can say you prefer Hillary to Obama better or Obama to Hillary better and still be civil about it. You know the difference.

The problem are the people who argue that there is more negativity or equal negativity on here towards Obama than Hillary and I do not see where they are getting this from?

[lynch03]

59. It's funny because I can barely stomach coming here because of all the anti-obama threads

I guess it fluctuates a lot, but with the recent obama surge it's pretty undeniable that hillary supporters are getting anxious and resorting to pathetic, unsubstantive attacks against obama

[BenDavid]

60. The reason you are hearing from the Obamatons and not the

Clinton supporters is that the Obamatons are like born agains, hysterical, loud, evangelical and self-righteous. Clinton supporters are logical, intellectual, results oriented and operate from a mind place.

That may explain why they go postal if you criticize their man. Maybe they're trying to protect him from what the Clintons go thru every day.

[Bongo Prophet]

96. Shalom BenDavid. You have a very...Manichaean view of this.

Quite a feat, really.
And timely in a sense.
It says more about your perceptions than you yet know.
They are teh evil, and you are the good.

I wish you well on your heroic journey.


Edit, cause missspeelin make dualistic gods vewwy unhappy

[McCamy Taylor]

61. Obama fans are being tricked into making those posts by Hillary so she can steal Victimhood that

belongs to Obama. What a she-devil she is. Using her laser beam eyes to make them write all those negative posts.

:wtf:

Would people please listen to how silly some of this stuff sounds?

If this election wasn't so important, I would go hide until the bullshit titer around here dropped down exponentially.

:hide:

[Bongo Prophet]

98. You and BenDavid should go on a visionquest together. 'twould be hilarious.

I have no idea what a bullshit titer is, but it has a nice rhythm - one could dance to it.

I agree, this election is too important for us to be flingin da poo about and signifin' nuttin'
Chimneys are pretty safe, though somewhat sooty.
A little light dispels the darker depths of this place.
One side all good, the side I am on
The Other, so evil no light can escape
policies so similar we should destroy ourselves over minutia
so McCain and his minions take the hill
lead us to war and then leave us the bill

sounds like a plan, though perhaps no the best
lighten up and play clean, at skinner's request.

[hfojvt]

62. it's not all about OPs

although I just scanned the front page and it seemed about even, maybe 9 to 9. One could not always tell from the title which way a post would go either. I would try to divide it between "fair" attack and "unfair" attack.

Either way, it's not as lopsided as Clinton supporters would portray. 66-33 is not 80-20 or 90-10. This board is more likely to be anti-Hillary since we are a group of progressives.

[LadyVT]

63. thanks! keep it up!

[Bongo Prophet]

101. Welcome to DU, LadyVT - it's great to have your views validated, as well as your parking.

DU is a one stop shop for that.
You will like it here.

Hooray, I had my own preconceptions validated by real science!
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[bvar22]

64. Well DUH! This IS a "Progressive/Liberal" board.

Of course it will be biased against the conservative, Big Business, DLC candidate.

If you can find an Anti-LABOR, Pro-WAR Democratic board, they will be biased FOR Hillary.




"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[Bongo Prophet]

102. But, the Obamaramadingdongs butter their bread on the bottom!

The BOTTOM!!! :mad:

Why can't you people SEE that!
8
8
8
8
8
8
8
8
8


edit to add: just fightin' stupid with silly.
Paul is gone - miss him miss him miss him...

[VotesForWomen]

66. thank you. i was going to do the same thing. your results are not surprising. nt

[dkf]

68. Hillary is having a bad week, ergo bad stories, ergo negative posts.

[Perry Logan]

71. The posts about Hillary at DU are a major triumph of the right-wing slime machine.

The anti-Clinton posters at DU have uncritically absorbed fifteen years of incontinent slander against the Clintons. That's why they think and talk so much like wingers.

[Bongo Prophet]

104. Everyone should check out Perry's videos, they really lay the truth out about that!

And I knew him from youtube before he was famous here. :blush:


you are a funny guy, PL.
I will fight alongside you no matter who wins
because you have the humor and the fisheye lens!

[MadHound]

73. LOL, that's some experiment you've got there sport

Poorly thought out, poorly executed, and utterly meaningless. Geez, haven't you even had stats 101 and learned about setting up experiments?

Basing any sort of opinion on this, whatever it was, is utterly pointless and useless. Set up a real study next time, with multiple(triple digit) numbers of shots of GDP, done at completely random times, over X period of time, then we can talk. However one or two screen captures doesn't mean shit and makes you look rather foolish.

[musicblind]

78. I will take another sample at a random time today. I'll try and draw a time

and will do so each day. (though I may miss a day since this isn't a job that pays me or anything.)

and actually, I have a taken a few stats classes as I have a psychology degree. The degree requirement included multiple courses on research, and how to conduct research.


I gave a report on one sample size and what it stated, and I made it clear that it was one sample and that the experiment would be rolling and I would update.

Geesh, you people act as though you can't read the original post with the complete context of what I am doing clearly stated.

If, however, you claim that multiple random samples taken on several days is STILL not a valid option then you are grasping at straws.

Though I love the derogatory use of the word "sport". It is always nice to see people who have to slip in patronizing terms rather than merely state how they feel about a subject. Real mature, I'm sure you talk that way to your employees at the office.

[Bongo Prophet]

74. Since you have been here only about 6 weeks, you may have missed the larger patterns.

What you have taken is a very small window 'snapshot' - and late at night.
you also have a very subjective category. 'Hate" threads probably have fuzziness to them.

I do agree that Obama supporters should offer olive branches, not because their negativity is in the majority, but because I like more signal, less noise - and it is the right thing to do. Clinton supporters should do the same, and for the same reasons.

Science is fun!

[geiger]

75. u no what? maybe there's a reason people are angry; we're disappointed

i'm a woman, i've been looking for excuses to vote for her for months. I cant get over the time she stood up on the Senate floor and asked Senator Byrd for some of his allotted speaking time to talk about whether or not to let George Bush have unilateral, unprecedented authority to proclaim a "war." Whatever you think about the Senator from West Virginia, it was clear that he tho't he had her "coming around" to his way of thinking.

She summarily took up the major rest of his speaking time, divided it btwn Joe Biden and herself, and then went on to speak in favor of the resolution Byrd was opposing. I think that's when, in shock, I could no longer be a CSPAN junkie. It was just too painful to take anymore. She is an opportunist and a liar and I just cant take it anymore.


amd furthermore, you can take all the quantitave anaylsis u want, but it dont matter no more. we're talking quality, sorry sincerely, and no disrepect intended. I am just FED UP.

[GCP]

81. Thank you - I've felt the hatred myself

My guy was Edwards, I came over to Hillary because I just feel we've had Obama rammed down our throats and we just don't know enough about him.

[NoBorders]

83. NOT and accurate 'study'

Would need way more samples at different times of the day, etc...

That said, I believe there ARE more Obama supporters around here tha Hillary supporters.

[Vinca]

87. As an Obama supporter, there have been days when I've logged on

to find almost every post on the page bashing Obama. I've been called a cultist. I been accused of calling the Clintons racists (I haven't). It's been suggested I'm a dim bulb who can't tell substance from fluff. If you're going to participate in a political forum, you need to toughen up a little. It's not always hearts and flowers for your candidate.

[Medusa]

94. You certainly do have a lot of time on your hands don't you?

But have you ever considered that if people in her own party don't like her this much what will happen in the GE? This is why this woman is NOT electable.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

95. wow that was a good idea and I have to say I agree with your findings.

[vssmith]

97. There is bias against Republicans too

Could there be any connection?

[Orsino]

99. Keep looking, and see how much of the "negativity" is fact-based.

There are reasons to go negative against Clinton or Obama, and the number of threads devoted to the task matters not a whit. All that is important is that potential voters be made aware of as many facts as possible.

Personally, I think that Clinton's much longer record simply makes the statistics you've discovered inevitable. Obama would have to be corrupt, indeed, to have made as many missteps as she has in his few years on the national scene.

[Independent-Voter]

103. Holy shit - your "research" and logic is horrible.

[Forkboy]

115. Scientists worldwide would love this thread.

;)

[snooper2]

105. Your Hillarious...

one snapshot at 10:54 P.M.

Why don't you go through the last 200 threads in GDP and do your "study"

[HeraldSquare212]

106. I guess you missed the days-long campaigns on 'cult,' Reagan and present votes.

by Hillary supporters. Or did you count those as neutral?

[Donnachaidh]

107. the swoop and smear tactics of the Obama side only reinforces the cult allegation

Kinda like what is being done to the OP for expressing what he sees. :eyes:

[HeraldSquare212]

108. How is differing with the OP's recollections a smear? nt

[Forkboy]

112. This forum gets stupider by the day.

[GumboYaYa]

113. 24 anti Hillary 12 anti Obama, that is pretty close to how the vote has

split in the last few primaries. Maybe there are just more Obama supporters.

[Hepburn]

117. So...the point is??? That people don't like Hillary as well.

Brilliant deduction....:eyes:

I could have told you that from looking at the number of Hillary versus Obama bumper stickers I see on the freeway.

[kelligesq]

118. No the point is DU has devolved into a mob mentality and its not

the old posters who are doing it.

[Catherine Vincent]

119. You're right but most here are in denile. nt

[OzarkDem]

121. Its getting pretty bad, the level of discourse has sunk pretty low

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

122. That fits the percentages of supporters imho.

Obama 66 Clinton 33 is the current trend, so one should expect 2X as many negative threads.

They're twice as many supporters.

[elias7]

123. one snapshot daily for the last 60 days may constitute useable evidence

a random sample 1 day after several primary wins by Obama is hardly evidence of anything.

you also are fallacious in the assumption that the negativity towards HRC is from Obama supporters. Some of it may be, some may be reactionary, some may be from poseurs. Ultimately, however, your bias leads to conclusions that are essentially a negative Obama thread.

So, make that 24 to 13...