What's up with the "Obama isn't tough enough to take on the GOP but Hillary is"...

[Bread and Circus]

when he is totally rocking Hillary's world even though this race was hers to lose.



Take a look above. Does anyone notice from the polls that Obama started out of nowhere and she has been the frontrunner for years?

Not to mention Hillary has ran an aweful campaign...

1.) not enough cash on hand.
2.) not even knowing there was not enough cash on hand.
3.) writing a secret check to her campaing w/o her staffers even knowing.
4.) giving 5million dollars to a total dick (Penn) who is signing books the night before her primaries.
5.) colluding to race bait Obama only to blow 20years of good will developed w/ the black community.
6.) exploiting racial divisiveness by saying "Latinos won't vote for blacks".
7.) not getting proper organization in on the ground for caucuses.
8.) seeming to "skip" states in wait for the big payoff in OH and TX that may never come.
9.) saying the Michigan votes "won't count" but then pulls a bait and switch to say "they must count".
10.) staging a "victory party" in Florida in a state no one was supposed to campaign in.
11.) changing campaign managers midstream to a lady that was sidelined because she was involved in a fund raising scandal.

The only other "leadership" position she ever had was in 1993 when she screwed up the health care initiative in an attempt to corporatize health care in a governmental subsidy for the HMO's?

Is competence really her strong suit?

:wtf:

[TexasObserver]

1. She's flat-lining and so is her campaign.

[Bread and Circus]

2. I won't count her out... she better really do well and make some surprises.

[jackson_dem]

3. 1) Dukakis 2) Kerry

[stevietheman]

5. that's an argument against Hillary...

you're saying that Dems should support the establishment candidate (Hillary) and then just accept our loss in the GE. No thanks.

[jackson_dem]

6. I am saying primary success does not equal general election success

Both Dukakis and Kerry lost because they didn't fight.

[Kahuna]

7. Obama took it to Billary during that DC debate unless you have forgotten..

He's no wimp.

[theHandpuppet]

8. Not worth responding to posts calling her "Billary"

Some of you folks really don't do your candidate any favors by the kind of name-calling only worthy of Free Republic.

[Extend a Hand]

4. you know that's a really insulting argument

The only leadership position she ever had...

I'm a late boomer, we were the first generation of women that actually had a chance to attend college en masse. Women ten years older than me that didn't get married right after high-school had three choices secretary, nurse, or teacher. Women that age, made the best of it, the worked to help their husbands advance. I bet if you ask Bill, you'd find that Hillary was a DRIVING force behind many of his early successes.

I'm voting for Obama because I think he has the same progressive values that Hillary has but I think he'll be best able to inspire the country in the tough economic times we're likely to be facing soon.

It pisses me off to hear other Obama supporters denigrate the work that Hillary has done for Bill. If she wins the nomination, I'll vote for her and I won't be holding my nose.

[jakem]

11. work 'done for Bill' does not qualify her to be POTUS!

[mmonk]

9. It's just the latest spin as I see it.

[EffieBlack]

10. One thing that no one wants to say, but is true - Obama is black man in America

who has managed to climb to the top of the pyramid despite all of the obstacles and pitfalls that face African American men in our society.

He's more than tough enough, thank you.

And the same applies to Hillary, by the way - she didn't get where she is today by being stupid or incompentent or just "not tough enough." She's as tough as they come.

[theHandpuppet]

12. Can't speak for anyone but myself here..

But I'm afraid y'all underestimate the heat of the furnace the GOP has waiting for Obama. They hate Hillary but fear her because they know she's taken everything they can throw at her FOR YEARS and she's still standing. Obama has NEVER been through anything like what the Republicans have put Hillary through for the past 20 years.

[rug]

13. His unity spiel will trip him in the general election.

His focus is on rejecting old categories. When the only two categories are Republican and Democratic and they start tearing into him, the more he fights back the more he is affirming those old politics he derides and the more he will be seen as the conventional politician he is.

Clinton, on the other hand, has already been through this and can fight Republicans strongly and viciously, as she should, without this unity, hope and change bullshit.

[theHandpuppet]

15. Basically, I think you are right

The Republicans will corner him in such a way that he will have only two options: compromise some of his progressive stances on issues, or abandon the notion of unity and actually increase the polarity. Sadly, this is the reality of the political process in this country. I admire the idealism of many Obama supporters but I fear they are in for a rather rude awakening.

I don't think the desire for "hope and change" is bullshit at all (if we didn't all want hope and change we wouldn't be Democrats in the first place!) but on some level you have to be a pragmatist or you cannot transform that hope into real change. The hopes and changes sought by many in the Republican Party are diametrically opposed to the vision WE have for the country. That's just a fact. And if you try to accomodate everyone you end up standing for very little at all. Who will end up with the short stick of Obama's compromises in his quest for unity?

To be blunt, I think the GOP is literally salivating at the prospect of Obama as the Democratic nominee. He ain't seen nothing yet.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

14. We have already had 8 years of an inexperienced person in the Oval Office the nation & world........

can't afford to wait for another leader needing foreign policy training ...this is not that time.

and that's a fact that too many of us are forgetting about.


The World Can't Wait.

[GarbagemanLB]

17. Cheney and Rumsfeld sure were inexperienced.

[theHandpuppet]

19. Yes, and Bush was a mere puppet with others pulling the strings

Is that what you want? I don't.

[theHandpuppet]

18. Which is why I'm voting for Hillary

She's taken 20 years of unrelenting, vicious attacks from every quarter and has emerged no only still standing, but still fighting. She's battle hardened and ready to roll. I don't even have to like her -- but I know for certain she can do the job and lead from day one.

[bigtree]

16. opting for a new, younger fighter

. . . who's promising to pull his punches. Kinda gives pause to some of us die hards, but, I really don't expect him to live up to the comity he's promised with republicans. They certainly won't.

[Medusa]

20. She's not even strong enough to take on Obama

and she thinks she can take on the GOP smear machine? :shrug: It's true. De nial ain't just a river in Egypt and apparently Hillary and her ilk are happily floating that river straight over the edge of the approaching waterfall.

[theHandpuppet]

21. Friend, I think you are in for a rude awakening

Hillary has stood up to the GOP attack machine for 20 years and her thanks for that is now the unrelenting attacks from some within her own party.

If you think Obama has proven his mettle by engaging in a few lame debates with other Dems in a primary I think you will need some bigger oars because there are rapids ahead the likes of which you have never seen.

[Orsino]

22. People with a horse in this race may be desperate to invent a difference between the candidates...

...when they are so much alike it ain't funny. I have my own preference, for Obama, but that's mainly based on his not having been championing DC corruption for as long as Clinton has.

[Bread and Circus]

23. I noticed no one took me up on the challenge to refute her level of icompetence.