What if the party establishment

[kelligesq]

(not flame bait - serious question )

is backing Obama because they figure it will show the Arab world how America
is tolerant of all races, religions, and people who are Muslim whose middle name
is Arabic, like Hussein ?

If that's true, have those same party leaders - read hacks and endorsers - stopped to consider the fact that Arabs are killing Arabs named Hussein, or
Hassan or Hamas on other Arabs and Palestinians, or Shiite Arabs killing Sunii Arabs and it doesnt make a difference to them.

Does anyone think that if Obama makes it to the White House the Arabs are going to stop killing each other and Americans and Westerners ?

[dkf]

1. At least we won't be the "great white satan" or whatever that was.

[kelligesq]

3. So is that their reason for backing him? think about it - dont

you find it unusual that the party establishment is backing the newcomer
a junior senator with a year in the Senate instead of the one with 6 years>

Didn't you think: what's up with that?

[dkf]

5. Nah, they like his message. Its uplifting and positive and

doesn't dwell on misery.

The party establishment absolutely was not on Obama's side. They were on Hillary's side, ergo her superdelegate lead. Now they are taking a look at him because he is freaking impressive.

I give him great credit...he strategized this campaign perfectly. Same message, same image, a few minor adjustments here and there, but basically a nice sure and steady course for his campaign. Come on, he is outstrategizing Bill Clinton who is the most brilliant political mind of my time! He is AMAZING!

[FrenchieCat]

2. What if the Party Establishment really backed Hillary Clinton

because she was the wife of a former President.

But when they saw that she couldn't even come 2nd in Iowa, some changed their minds.

Bout that?

[kelligesq]

4. pay attention to the OP question, instead of the usual pls

[emilyg]

11. What does your usual venom have to do with the OP?

[emilyg]

12. What does your usual venom have to do with the OP?

[emilyg]

14. Delete - dupe

[kelligesq]

27. another inaninty. do you have

anything to add to the conversation or just want to be noticed for
slogans

[emilyg]

13. self-delete dupe

[sandnsea]

6. *sigh* you need to go on ignore n/t

[Dogmudgeon]

7. It won't work

The only Muslims who will respond to it are the moderates who are looking for reasons for reconciliation. And that's the majority of Muslims, but it's not the militants.

The party establishment is behind Obama now, though if the "big Mo" swings to Hillary, they will be right there, too.

If Obama is our candidate, the GOP will be mentioning his middle name a lot. The Muslims won't care about that.

I don't think it's a rational scenario. But in this world, rational isn't always desirable.

--p!

[anigbrowl]

8. It doesn't hurt...

but I don't think it's the main reason. Of course he's not going to be able to magically bring peace to the Middle East, but it's going to be hard for opponents of the US there to just dismiss him as a cowboy. Equally, if he goes to Iran and such places expressing a willingness to have a discussion, it becomes harder for our enemies (and yes, we do have enemies who must be kept in check) to dismiss him as just an arrogant dictator.

If he wins the presidency he'll have a great deal of standing on the international stage, but as a tough fighter on his own behalf and as living proof America walks it the way they talk it, a country where anyone can succeed through hard work and self-belief. That standing gives him a lot of muscle with which to negotiate, and threaten where necessary. He is not going to have a problem getting taken seriously overseas.

[dkf]

9. excellent post. Thank you.

[kelligesq]

10. So you think that's why repugs and d. party bigwigs are behind him?

[intaglio]

15. If you want to avoid being flamebait

Then stop writing RW garbage.

The "party establishment is backing Obama"? I don't think so

Do not insinuate that Barrack Obama is muslim "...it will show the Arab world how America
is tolerant of all races, religions, and people who are Muslim whose middle name
is Arabic, like Hussein ?"

Who is your favoured candidate I wonder?

[kelligesq]

16. Typical response of

the non thinking eady to argue and throw crap at any moment.

When they dont like a thought - it becomes right wing garbage

"who is your favoured candidate" crap is supposed to be an insult to one another

My candidate is no longer in the race

It's a shame that remaining supporters are unable to have any kind of indepth
discussion without yelling flame bait, slogans, and feces.

The lack of civil and thinking conversation on DU GD-P is what has driven
people with brains away from GD-P and some off DU.

NOw why dont you put your brain in gear, stop the flinging of insults
and think about the question

IF you cant do that STFU

[kelligesq]

17. Who do you think

Kennedy, Durbin, Clayman, Kerry, etc are:

The new guards?

either you are uninformed, uneducated , or just obtuse.

[kelligesq]

18. soprry, dupe..

[kelligesq]

19. computer sticking, sorry dupe

[kelligesq]

20. dupe

[kelligesq]

21. dupe - keyboard hiccupping

[kelligesq]

22. dupe

[kelligesq]

23. duplicate

[kelligesq]

24. dupe

[JVS]

29. Whoa. That was a bad case of the dupes.

[kelligesq]

31. yup - hic - hic

:D

[kelligesq]

25. Typical response of

the non thinking ready to argue and throw crap at any moment.

When they dont like a thought - it becomes right wing garbage

"who is your favoured candidate" crap is supposed to be an insult to one another

My candidate is no longer in the race

It's a shame that remaining supporters are unable to have any kind of indepth
discussion without yelling flame bait, slogans, and feces.

The lack of civil and thinking conversation on DU GD-P is what has driven
people with brains away from GD-P and some off DU.

NOw why dont you put your brain in gear, stop the flinging of insults
and think about the question

IF you cant do that STFU

[kelligesq]

26. Quote: "The "party establishment is backing Obama"? I don't think so"

No ?

Kennedy, Durbin, Kerry, Clayman are republicans or DINOS, right?

What happned to critical thinking?

Is there any questionining of anything except when it comes to anyone you think
might, might be opposed to your candidate?

The Paris Hilton generation

[intaglio]

38. BHO is not my candidate

My candidate is Julia Goldsworthy, I am considerably over 50 and at least have the grace not to question your age; on to matters of substance.

So you are saying that all those Superdelegates that HRC so proudly boasts of are not the party establishment? That the DLC is not the party establishment?

BTW you still have not removed your assertion that BHO is a Muslim

[saracat]

28. I personally don't think it would make a damn bit of difference.This is all

about money . It isn't about message , it is about whoever is pulling Obama's strings, whoever is behind him. And please, don't say the "people' because that is just ridiculous.Perhaps the answer lies in the Chicago machine but i really don't know. I do suspect the healthcare and Big Pharma has a part in this. He has, after all, guaranteed them a seat at the table" perserving their influence, just like he "sold out " in llinois.

[ieoeja]

30. Yes. The Party establishment believes Mideast peace will occur the instance Obama is sworn in.

Because they are Democrats. And everyone knows Democrats are fucking stupid. For real intelligence we need another man like George W Bush in the White House.

Vote Huckabee!

[blm]

32. Party establishment ISN'T backing Obama - the Progressive establishment is.

Big difference.

[kelligesq]

33. John Kerry and Ted Kennedy are party establishment people - if you dont know that

you hvent been a democrat for very long

[blm]

37. HAHAH...yeah right - establishment powerstructure has been AGAINST Kerry for DECADES - YOU know zip

about the ostracization of Kerry that went on for YEARS because most Dems were SUPPPORTING Reagan and Bush administrations on IranContra policy and Kerry worked ALONE uncovering its illegal operations.

But the one that pissed off official DC the most was BCCI. Kerry's 5 and 1/2 year unraveling of THAT had GOP and Dem powerstructure and all their media whores working against him.

I think you know very little about serious matters and have only a surface thinkers view of recent history.

[woolldog]

34. Why?

Why are Clinton supporters constantly bringing up race, religion, and gender?

I don't see the Obama supporters doing that. Serious question.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4553066&mesg_id=4553066

[goodhue]

35. lol

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. Yeesh.

First the telecom immunity nonsense, now this?

Have you no sense of decency?