The racist negativism coming from some of the Hillary supporters is really disheartening

[XemaSab]

"Hispanics, Asians, Southern whites, po' whites, and most of the other whites in the US will NEVER EVER accept a black man!"

With that attitude, blacks would not only be learning in different schools and serving in different units in the armed forces, they'd still be picking cotton in the CSA.

No oppressed group has EVER held out for universal popularity before taking steps forward!

GOBAMA! YES WE CAN! :D

[dkf]

1. I'm beginning to realize what his election would mean for the country.

A new start, where we could tell all our kids that ANYONE can be President. No barriers for anyone as long as they are willing to do the hard work and have the talents necessary.

Then all those naysayers would realize they were wrong and they would have to change their closed minded view of the world!

Then the possibilities are endless. WOW.

YES WE CAN!!!

[polpilot]

27. Michelle Obama states this clearer than anyone.

[UALRBSofL]

42. Let me know when we can have a Gay president

Or is that out of the question.

[TheDonkey]

54. No way!

;) I'm gay but unfortunately that one will be a ways down the road. But at least it'll be before an atheist president so we've got a shot!!! Some posted a poll and I think 54% of Americans would be "ok" with it.

[Hieronymus]

57. I expect one of the European countries will be first in electing a gay leader.

[theHandpuppet]

2. You know, I'm not even sure how to respond to threads like this

Oh yes, anyone who supports Hillary Clinton is a racist who runs around saying, "Hispanics, Asians, Southern whites, po' whites, and most of the other whites in the US will NEVER EVER accept a black man!"

You should be ashamed to post something like that but perhaps it's best just to let it stand for the embarrassment it is.

[XemaSab]

6. In the interest of fairness

I added the words "some of." :)

[Tom Rinaldo]

8. Thanks n/t

[theHandpuppet]

9. Yeah, sure.

:eyes:

[Perry Logan]

7. Clearly, the Obama people see life as a bad comic book, with Hillary as the villain.

[Lerkfish]

30. if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck...

If your'e worried about people perceiving your candidate like a villian, tell her and her husband to stop acting like villians.

[NoBorders]

14. I was walking down the street yesterday

And some middle-aged white woman running down the street screaming "Hispanics, Asians, Southern whites, po' whites, and most of the other whites in the US will NEVER EVER accept a black man!"

As an Obama supporter, I said to myself,"Nuther Hil supporter!" Can't swing a dead cat without hitting a middle-aged white woman running around yelling that we'll never accept a black man. It's getting tiresome.

[stevenleser]

24. And I am sure you jumped into all the threads accusing Obama supporters of misogyny

and defended us all vigorously. Right?

[XemaSab]

51. I'm going to leave my feelings about Hillary and sexism to another thread

but you bring up a good point.

[polpilot]

28. It's universally know that the Clintons went down this road....

damn dark down that road (No pun intended)

[Evergreen Emerald]

31. wrong. It is media driven that Clintons went down this road--the reality is that Obama

used racism to solidify the black vote in SC. He had his surrogotes shout racism from the rooftops as the medai spun it for Obama.

The Clintons did not go down that road.

[polpilot]

45. O.K. Clinton's 'found' themselves on this road..probably were 'misled' like Iraqi War Vote.

[FrenchieCat]

3. !

[Tom Rinaldo]

4. Please be careful with that broad brush

I am more than ready to attack the last vestigases of racism fighting alongside Obama, it would be a noble fight and one that I think it is very possible to win. Not everyone who chooses to back Hillary over Obama does so out of concern over racism.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

5. Sorry, but I haven't seen that attitude too frequently.

I see people make reference to Clinton's strength in those demographics all the time, but there's a difference between saying "Hillary is going to win the Hispanic vote" and "Hispanics won't ever vote for any black man." I see a lot of the former and not so much of the latter.

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[dkf]

13. Yeah I was pretty pissed when I waded into that one.

On the other hand I am elated when I realize what Obama as President would mean to the country. It would mean that people that are ingrained with this idea that minorities can't win the Presidency would be WRONG and will have to rejigger their perception of the world they live in.

Maybe then they can have a little more hope and faith.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

19. It's an internet discussion forum.

You can probably find some idiotic post here on just about any issue you care to name. I'm not arguing that it doesn't exist - I'm just saying that on the whole I haven't seen a lot of people doing it.

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[Cessna Invesco Palin]

20. Yes, it's the same poster.

The same one who is, in another thread right now, arguing that associating Hillary with her husband's tenure as President and policies when he was in office is bigotry. There are a couple of people on here who like to engage in that sort of crap, but by and large most people seem not to do it - even if they do get pissed off enough to go on some kind of tear every once in a while.

[H2O Man]

10. Nominated.

There is a lot of contaminated thinking coming from some of the Clinton supporters on DU. Their attempts to divide us by appealing to racism is toxic. Luckily, it is easily isolated.

[Freida5]

15. The Senator Obama campaign has been fueling this racism to build his base vote and

blaming the Clintons and others for playing the race card. The Obama campaign and their surrogates want to stir up racism. Obama has played the whole race deck during this campaign. That is why he lost my vote.

[murielm99]

17. That is only partly why he lost my vote.

I was leaning Obama at one time. I think anyone who lives in my state and voted for him to be in the Senate has considered him.

The other parts of it are the sheer meanness and anger of many of his supporters. I don't necessarily mean the supporters on DU. I have never been convinced that all of them are actual supporters.

I have seen ineptitude in his campaign, too. I could understand that at the beginning, but I think it is a continuing problem. How can he control the Presidency if he can't control his surrogates and staffers?

Then there is his fuzziness. I don't think hope and change are enough.

I started looking at Clinton after him say that her supporters would vote for him, but he didn't think all his supporters would vote for her. How divisive and arrogant!

[babylonsister]

23. Four words for you: Bill Clinton + South Carolina. Who's been doing

what? :eyes:

[flordehinojos]

16. racial negativism?

it happens to be obama's achilles heel. it seems he is the one who is having a problem with admitting to the fact that there is a racial thing in this race for the white house. he needs to deny that he is part black... you don't need to take my word for it. you may read it here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23122137/

and ... since race is such an achilles heel for him ... he must blame the clintons for whatever pinch his heel feels whenever race is brought up by anyone.

i think if we were to admit the fact that there is a racial divide, that obama is part black-part white, and speak of it, out in the open ... if he could speak about it out in the open without letting the hurt feelings of years of racial prejudice spill out into complaining, blaming, or acusing, he would be doing a lot to really begin to heal the racial divide. he has not done so. he won't admit it and he has and continues to blame the clintons for it ... he lets others do the talking for him but he won't lead and step up to the plate on that issue.

[journalist3072]

18. Thank you for painting me, an African-american who does NOT support Obama and will NEVER pull a

Lever for him, as racist.

In your fucked up mind, I'm racist because I don't support Obama?

[XemaSab]

21. You're racist

if your reason for NOT voting for him is because he's black.

I'm assuming that that's not the reason with you and that you've thought about your vote more carefully than that. :)

[boricua79]

37. you're voting Clinton?

dude...like...what's wrong with you?

You're into white upper class ladies from the DLC? That your thing?

[NMMNG]

22. Think on this one

People right here have told LGBTs and atheists time after time to STFU so they won't lose the election for the Dems. I and my friends have had our very valid concerns dismissed as "faux outrage". We're constantly told that we need to accept tiny bread crumbs because the country is just not ready to give us what we rightfully deserve--what nobody has the right to withhold from us in the first place.

Now what was it you were saying about racist negativism, universal popularity and the like?

[XemaSab]

25. Um... that y'all shouldn't put up with that shit?

:shrug: :D

[angie_love]

33. LOL good one Xema.

It seems like some people here are so afraid of taking risk, that they're willing to stay with the same old and not move this country forward. Thank GOD people were so willing to take big risks in the 60's with the civil rights movement and ending slavery, it truly moved us forward in a positive way. Those were the babyboomers then. Now us younger people want to do the same with Obama. With him w will further move our country in a positive direction that a few cynics don't realize. They call themselves "democrats" but i'm really starting to wonder...

[NMMNG]

59. We keep fighting

And we keep getting told the same things (right here on DU even), losing our battles, getting backlash from the bigots and so on. It's a very daunting battle. But I'll be damned if we're going to stop fighting.


And I wasn't trying to crash or divert your thread in any way--just point out some parallels.

:hi:

[LostinVA]

26. Good grief, you're thin-skinned, Buffy

:eyes:

Crazy days on the DU. Most of the negative racial pot-stirring has been from certain posters NOT voting for Senator Clinton. Disheartening.

[NMMNG]

60. Yes, from *certain* pot-stirrers

XemaSab isn't one of them thankfully, but there are plenty of them. There's plenty of other pot-stirring but that's for another thread.

[Lerkfish]

29. unfortunately, I expected racist tripe from republicans

and I also am not surprised to see it from the DLC, though I am mightily disappointed. I am further disappointed that when called on their racebaiting, they not only deny it, they blame the target.

[Onlooker]

32. Can you post some links to support your contention?

Are you making race an issue and if so, shame on you, or are you actually referring to something that Clinton supporters are saying. I'm not a Clinton supporter, but my husband is and many of my friends are, and none of them oppose Obama because of race issues. So, your post is, I suspect, ignorant, malicious, and manipulative, unless you can back up your claim.

[angie_love]

34. Here you go onlooker, read for link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4548085&mesg_id=4548085

Heres a quote from that OP.

"And if you think southern dems and indies are going to vote for a black guy from IL you are simply dreaming and do not understand racial politics in the south."




With "democrats" like these we sure don't need pugs.

[Onlooker]

35. Your basis for your claim is one post by one DU member?

And though I didn't read every post, hardly anyone seemed to agree with the OP's point.

[angie_love]

36. You ask us to find you a link, I posted one, now you complain that I didn't find MORE links

Well what do you want? Evidence or to argue? It seems like the latter. I did a quick search for you and surely could've found more. That was just one that came off the top of my head. I also see you don't denounce what she said. So nevermind. I can't have a reasoned discussion with a narrow minded, tunnel visioned person.

[Onlooker]

40. I certainly have denounced any racist or sexist talk, and there's been plenty of it

But, as I see it, your suggestion of the racist negativism of some Clinton supporters is just as wrong as one of the most recent Obama posts that says, "Women 'are falling for Obama.'" It's a sexist subject title, but I certainly don't think that Obama supporters are sexist. Sure, there are a handful of people out there and there are others who unwittingly say insensitive things, but they are not representative of either candidate.

[NorthernSpy]

39. check out this guy...

He's spent months informing us that America isn't ready for a black president, and that we should therefore vote against Obama.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2597633#2614165


He's started a whole bunch of threads likes this.


So yeah, there's a history here.

[NorthernSpy]

41. or how about this flaming piece of crap: Obama is "The First Affirmative Action Candidate"...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4492601


:puke:

[snooper2]

38. They have been saying that for 6-7 months now...

And you see where that got them....

[BenDavid]

43. Doug Wilder plays the Race Card or Is dividing the Democrats by race

the ONLY way Obama can win?

The nation's first elected black governor said Saturday he is not ready to excuse comments Bill Clinton made about Barack Obama. (Who asked him to?) An eternity ago, Clinton called Obama's opposition to the Iraq war "a fairy tale." Clinton suggested Obama had toned down his early anti-war fervor during his 2004 Senate campaign. "Barack Obama is not a fairy tale. He is real," former Virginia Gov. Douglas Wilder told reporters......

Notice how Wilder had to change what Clinton said. He HAD to change it, because what Clinton said wasn't "racial enough" to outrage Wilder. And why is Wilder drudging up something that has already been buried? Is Obama that desperate?

"A time comes and a time goes. The president has had his time," said Wilder, revealing his true motivation for fabricating a quote, then pretending to be outraged at it.

Is dividing the Democrats by race the ONLY way Obama can win?

Remember: We had this race won until Obama decided to save us.And lose in November he will if he wins the nomination......

[Iceburg]

44. Obama and his race baiting operatives need to reflect ...

when you called the Clintons, of all people, racist it was a signal to many that Obama lack of leadership outpaced any strengths he had coming into the contest. It was a big mistake on his part. His supporters did him no favours here on DU by using race (specifically Latinos) as the primary reason his losses in the big states.
The second card he tried to play -- the gender/mysogyny card hasn't worked out too well for him either.

[Lerkfish]

47. oh man, you just don't get it, do you?

but hey, keep it up! the more you do this, the more your candidate drops like a lead anchor


jeebus, I really don't know how you people call yourselves democrats.

[NorthernSpy]

48. nice try, but it was the ~Clintons~ who played up the Latino angle...

Sergio Bendixen, the guy who made the comment about Latinos showing little "willingness or affinity to support black candidates", is one of Hillary's strategists.


http://www.newsweek.com/id/109363


So stop rewriting history, mmm'kay?


Oh, and the point wasn't that the Clintons were "racist". Who cares what goes on in their heads? The point was that after Obama won Iowa, the Clintons and their supporters made a conscious effort to peg Obama as "The Black Candidate" in the mold of Jesse Jackson. It backfired on them, because a lot of people saw through it, and punished them for it -- which doesn't sit well with a few of you who have been moaning about it ever since.

[DiamondJay]

46. facing reality is NOT actual racism

pointing out that many ethnic groups may have issues with a black presidential candidate is not being a racist. it is just pointing out OTHER people's racism. We should put our heads in the liberal "pertend racism doesn't exist" sand. it does. no one is saying we should be for segregation, but we are merely saying there are still many out there who either still think there should be and dont say it, or subconciously are as racist. The stereotypes are still strong, and racism still exists. We just merely point out the reality.

[Lerkfish]

50. I have to call bullshit on this one.

"If I keep pointing out that other people think your candidate is a muslim terrorist, is it my fault? surely I'm not a racist if I keep repeating the racist statements of other people, ad nauseum, like a rove puppet, am I?"

[HeraldSquare212]

52. Exactly! They point out "some" people won't vote for a black - but not that some people won't vote

for a woman. That's called using race for political gain, and that's reprehensible. If it were just an intellectual discussion of the relative pluses and minuses of candidates, they'd mention all factors, not just race.

[XemaSab]

53. It's certainly negativist though.

:P

[AtomicKitten]

49. Yet they are voting for him across the board anyway

in spite of the none-too-subtle attempted manipulation of mainstream consciousness coming from ClintonCo.

Hey, nice to see you on board the Gobama train! :hi:

[XemaSab]

55. I've been on the Obama train since it left the station!

(And the Al Gore train didn't :hide:)

[AtomicKitten]

58. I'm right there with you on that.

* sigh *

No worries. I realized when Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize he had transcended the plane we mere mortals are on and had moved on to more ethereal global work. I finally came to peace with it.

Gobama!

[Danger Mouse]

56. Nice post, well done.

:hug: