Questions from an Obama Lemming or maybe cultist.

[Lex Talionis]

Before anybody gets all wild eyed about what I am going to ask. A little about myself. I'm an Independent, pure and simple. So that may disqualify me right there. Always loved how the Big Dog acted during the 90's. Until I had a Daughter and realized that maybe my thinking about women was wrong. Since at the time I treated women the way Bill did/does. Truly was shocked when NOW gave Bill a pass on Monicagate. I mean, after telling me all those years that it is wrong when a man in power uses that to influence young women for sex, even if she agrees. Born in the South, raised a racist, had an epiphany. Black man stood up for me when no one else would, and realized that real men come in all colors. I believe that Obama is the truest and best way to change this country. I'm part of America that thinks, Democrat or Republican, they are two sides of the same coin. I have lurked here for years and I also learned that some progressives think like me. I'm not here to keyboard kung fu. So please only the more saner denizens need answer.So here goes.

Do all those who support the Clinton's, really believe that Bill will just sit back and stay in the background? If yes, why?

Do you think that it was OK for Bill to take advantage of young women the way he did When he was President? If so why? Please don't use "its personal business" argument. Also don't use that "Bush.....fill in the blank." The reason I asked that question is,in my experience, if your spouse can't trust ya, I can't either.

If Obama wins the most votes in the primary, but not enough to win the nomination and the super delegates give it to Hill/Bill. Will you be as outraged as people were about the selection of Bush? I was very surprised when Donna Brazil(sp?)said she would quit the Democratic party if that happens. And final question.

In the last election did anybody here notice that the two candidates were both megarich white men, who went to the same elite college, were both members of the same secret organization, and during all the debates (that I saw) wore red ties and blue suits? Thats just something to think about when you say you are given a choice. Cause if Obama isn't enough to shake our political landscape to its foundation, nothing is. Sorry in advance if I did not follow protocol and thank you for your time. Also sorry if I make some of the more sensitive types swoon with my "nuckeldraggin" history. Times, they are a changin. GO BO!!!!

[Bluebear]

1. To start: 'Bill to take advantage of young women' - how many?

So how many women did "big Dog" take advantage of, to begin with? And is it your fear he will 'not stay in the background' and will cheat on Hillary again?

[grantcart]

20. Hillary: Bill will not cheat again

Hillary Clinton, responding to a question about whether there might be a “new business or personal scandal” involving her husband Bill Clinton, said Monday night that voters should not be worried about the possibility.

"You know, I can assure this reader that that is not going to happen," she said, in response to a question from a Santa Monica reader of the Web site Politico.com. "You know, none of us can predict the future, no matter who we are and what we are running for, but I am very confident that that will not happen."


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

[intaglio]

28. Three answers there

Not "...that is not going to happen",
Maybe "...none of us can predict the future,"
and might "...I am very confident that that will not happen,"

[underpants]

2. She was an adult and a college graduate for crying out loud

No one was taken advantage off other than her "friend" convincing her to not clean the dress.

[Bluerthanblue]

7. yes, she was an adult- but there is no denying that as POTUS Bill

was in a position of authority- and like it or not, that DOES matter.

Similar to religious officials who are 'Shepherds' of their flock who have entered into sexual relationships with their parishioners, or Therapists, Health Professionals, Teachers/Professors etc.

When someone is in a leadership or authority role, they do have a greater need to be aware of the unspoken power imbalance- and as unfair as it may seem to some, they are expected to be "the mature", self-controlled, 'Adult' when infatuations arise, as they often do.

Monica was several years younger than Chelsea is now. Yet, we all feel ...protective of her. Monica was an 'intern'.- That in and of itself acknowledges her need for wise guidance.

peace~

[Lex Talionis]

13. Excellent answer Blue, excellent.

[Hepburn]

3. Ever heard the term "power fuck"?

Some women ~~ not me to be perfectly clear ~~ are mega turned on by fucking men who are in "high places." Monica is an outstanding example of that IMO.

Should Bill Clinton have cheated? Hell, no. But let's be clear about the use of the term "took advantage of." It's a two-way street out there and unless you were actually inside the minds Bill and of any of those involved in any of Bill's indiscretions, then you really have NO clue about motives. For all you know, Bill had a weakness of which some female on a "power fuck" mission took advantage. I am NOT saying this is the actual case. All I am saying is that what truly went on in anyone's mind is NOT within the factual knowledge of any of us.

JMHO

[underpants]

10. "Star f*&ker" applies too

good point

[Lex Talionis]

12. Hepburn, one of my favorite actresses.

Cheating is not the issue. Hell, I've cheated. Its being in a position of power, and having sex with your subordinates. I've done that, too. NOW said this was wrong, until Bill did it. That did a lot of damage to the work environment I was in. Many men winked and said the Prez did it, why can't I. Bill took advantage of the younger woman, as I used to, takes one to know one, ya know. Not something I'm proud of. Does he still do it? I don't know. Do I blame him? No. You are so very correct about the "power Fuck" though. Good girls love bad boys. Still does not make it right. I appreciate your honesty. Peace to you.

[Hepburn]

14. I am female....and have always adored men much older than me...

...not that at my present age there are many men left older than me ~~ so this is basically a hobby of my past. I have never, ever felt put upon, coerced or taken advantage of by a man. Do you in some manner really think that women are the weaker sex and if a man is a bit older he can ipso facto take advantage of some allegedly sweet young thing?

[Lex Talionis]

18. I'd hope you would be ,with the name.

No way the weaker sex. In my experience a young girl can be "misled", by an older man, or one in power. I did It. Again not something I'm proud of, just depends on how much your willing to lie to her or coerce her. As my daughter grew into a very beautiful woman, I protected her from men such as me. More than once with violence or the threat of such. She's doing very well for herself and just bought a house at 21 and soon, I hope, will marry this fine young man she has been dating, so maybe I did the right thing. The only reason I posted about the Clintons, is that, to me anyway, Hillary is an enabler. Just so long as she gets what she wants. I thank you for your fine post and just for the record, I love older women. I'm Just in the same boat you are. :) You have a very nice day.

[Gruenemann]

42. Kathryn or Audrey??????????????

[Saturday]

4. Bill's infidelity has nothing to do with this race.

This is about Hillary. If you don't want to vote for her because she forgave her husband (as millions of husbands and wives have done for their spouse to save their marriages) then use that as your reason. I think it is a non issue. We really don't know if Barack has or ever will mess around do we? Saying you are pure does not make you so. Ask Jim Baker, Jimmy Swager, Craig and Foley.

[Bluerthanblue]

9. you can't have it both ways-

If "Bill" doesn't factor into what makes Hillary a less than ideal candidate, than his positive influence cannot be factored in either.

I didn't hear one single word in the OP about not supporting Hillary because she "forgave" Bill- That is your assertion. (Personally, I find that a very positive aspect of Hillary).

Bill's issues with infidelity may not matter to you- but again, the OP posted their reason for why it was to them. And I think that this perspective is not uncommon.

peace~

[mkultra]

15. i agree

I think the fact that she forgave him only shows her strength.

[Hepburn]

16. I do not support Hillary....but....

...I totally agree that whatever when on in regard to his affairs and if she forgave him or whatever the arrangements are...that is their business and not an issue of even worthy of comment by an outsider. They, unlike the Rethuggies, are not running around stating that they are in the fore-front of the Family Value movement.

[BenDavid]

5. I see many questions in your post and will be happy to give you

my answer. As for Bill just sitting back and staying in the backgroud I will say yes. Bill will not try and up stage the President who happenes to be his wife. Of course HRC will use Bill with foreign countries that were positive U.S. but are now on the fence and send Bill there to help.Bill will pass along a message by the President to the heads of these countries....Remember now Bill will not go to any country and be on his own to wheel and deal like when he was president, but will bring forth a letter from the President and then try their best to mend any broken fences....Simple enough....forgive my crude manner in which i write..

The answer to your question about was it OK for Bill to take advantage of young women. Of course the answer is NO! The american people came down hard on Bill for having this relation with Monica and even though it was not sexual intercourse it was still wrong. Wrong then, wrong today...But the big difference was the american people.They were able to separate Bill doing his job as President and this. Approval for his job as President ranged from 68 to 72% during all this but personal opinion rating of Bill was 60% negative....

As for the part about the super-delegates all I can say is both HRC and obama knew the rules going in. Brazile is spitting and stamping her feet, demanding that the rules be changed so her favorite, the new guy, has a better chance to upset his party elders. This is why Donna Brazile is threatening to quit the Democratic party, because Hillary is playing by the rules and she's ahead. I say so leave, already - who's asking you to stay? CNN might miss your Obama-groveling, but nobody will miss your whining.Oh, and she is a super-delegate too.

I don't like the idea of superdelegates either, but I find Obama's "outrage" hollow, disgusting, and very revealing. He knew the rules going in. His camp has blasted and mocked Clinton for wanting the delegates from MI and FL seated, using just that rationale, although it's obvious
that if they had voted for him, he'd do exactly the same thing and his followers would be chanting about "democracy" all the way. Did obama complain about the system up front, or is it (as it seems) only when he thinks the superdelegates will help her? Easy answer.

This election the democrats were going to win this thing. All knew well in advance that HRC planned on running this time out and we all said back several years back when Kerry just lied in saying, all votes would be counted, and the very next day conceded the election we needed a fighter and one that would not stop......Well all I can say is the democrats were posed to win back the presidency and in the bag until obama decided he had to save us, and if obama gets the nod, we will be defeated.....

[Lex Talionis]

11. Thanks Ben for the reasonable

and well put answers. As for crudeness, ya got nothing on me. Spell check makes me look smarter than I am. Respects to you and yours.

[mkultra]

17. questions for ben

Just a few questions for you, no disrespect intended.


Isnt what they did considered sexual intercourse?

and , what specifically has obama said about the supers from FL and MI. has he actually said anything or is it just others?
I am specifically referring to his "outrage"

[indimuse]

33. thx david..

touche!

[BenDavid]

6. hrc

[robbedvoter]

8. Thanks for bringing the Mighty Clenis back. Always a good subject. Going to get my guy now.

as this subject always get me in the mood...(he's been a happy camper since my reading DU daily, let me tell ya)

[ieoeja]

19. Monica wasn't willing. She *initiated* their contact.

If your daughter pursues

Some guy to blow,

Don't blame the suits

For not saying no.

Burma Shave**.


**Disclaimer: this poster is now and has never been any way associated with Burma Shave. This was a parody post and should not be taken as support of the Burma Shave product (does it even exist anymore?). Nor should the contents of this post or any other post made by ieoeja be construed as representing the opinions or policies of Burma Shave towards oral sex, Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, your daughter, your wife, or any female related or not related to you, living or non-living, born, born again, or not yet born. Burma Shave may have an official policy concerning the sex lives of small animals in the Republic of Myanmar, formerly known as Burma, but you would have to contact them to find out.

[Lex Talionis]

21. Now Thats funny!

Can I use it, especially the disclaimer? The *initiated*, does that mean you don't really believe she was the pursuer?

[ieoeja]

22. Feel free. I was having fun.

And *initiated* was to emphasis the fact that she was the pursuer. She has never denied it.

[Lex Talionis]

23. One other question then.

Juanita Broaddrick. Do you think she *initiated* the sex?

[ieoeja]

24. The correct questions would be...

Did she ever even meet Bill Clinton?

If yes, did they have sex?

If yes, was it consensual?

Then we could get into the question of who initiated it. But since they are of an age, there wouldn't be much point.


And the answers to all the above questions is, "we don't know". She denied under oath having ever met Clinton. Later, on a paid television interview, she claimed her sworn testimony was a lie.


Now it is my turn to ask a question. Will you be this worried about your daughter and Obama's big, black cock? Or is it just Bill Clinton's penis that frightens you so much?

[Mz Pip]

25. Um, why the ending snark?

Was that necessary? I certainly haven't even heard rumors of any Obama infidelity.

While I thought the Clinton Impeachment was a waste of time and tax dollars, I found it unfortunate that Clinton gave these idiots something to work with. Knowing that they were out for him from day one, his judgment sure was lacking in ragard to Monica. She may have initiated it but he really should have said no and then had her transferred out of there.

You get the good and the bad with the Clintons. You can't cherry pick. Hillary isn't my first choice but I'll support her if she is the nominee. Will Bill stay behind the scenes? Will he behave himself? I have no idea. None.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[ieoeja]

29. Because I found his posts disgusting.

What next, Genifer Flowers? Clinton admitted that one.

Kathleen Wiley? I was around for her assault on a blogger who ran a fund-raiser for her (back when she was pro-Clinton, and Starr got her fired from her job). I can not recall the details of her attack upon him. I just know her behaviour was so off the wall bizarre you'd think she was doing some serious narcotics. Shortly thereafter she came up with the accusation against Clinton.

Paula Jones? Denied everything until the Arkansas Project started doling out the bucks. Then "well, maybe something a little inappropriate happened". A big paycheck later and, "he violently raped me! I was lucky to get out alive."

I will challenge this crap everytime I see it on DU.

[Bluerthanblue]

31. sorry you didn't "challenge" anything-

except your own credibility with your unnecessary rude remark.

If your idea of defending someone is to attack another, you must not have much confidence in your position.

I could understand your perspective until the questions asked of you became less comfortable for you, and so you chose to go rabid.

I wish you peace~

[Lex Talionis]

34. Bluerthanblue

I just wanted to say to you personally, if thats allowed, That liberals like you have made me change the way I see the world. I am sure I am as different from you as night and day. Your input was very telling about you and I appreciate it. If people such as us can't find a common ground, than this country is truly headed to hell. Peace to you and yours, and you have my utmost respect. Something I don't give lightly.

[ieoeja]

39. A Freeper calls Bill Clinton a rapist and you defend him?

Also, Lex brought his daughter into this. He said he only became frightened of having Bill Clinton near the White House after he had his own daughter.

Lex is an obvious troll (in his reply to your post he even admits he is from a different ideology).

They speak in code for a purpose. To make their sick shit more palatable to those unaware of exactly what the coded words mean. In the case of Bill Clinton and women, here is a de-coder.

Gennifer Flowers = Bill Clinton cheats on his wife.
Paula Jones = Bill Clinton is guilty of sexual harrassment.
Kathleen Willey = Bill Clinton takes advantage of distraught women.
Juanita Broaderick = Bill Clinton is a rapist.


The response I gave to "Bill Clinton is a rapist" was appropriate and well deserved. He went rabid, I returned fire.

[Lex Talionis]

40. Actually ieoeja

I said I began to question the way I treated women. Nor did I call Bill a rapist. My ideology is to think with an open mind and not be a sheep or drink the koolaid. As far as me going "rabid" I'll leave that to the more critical thinkers on this board. But hey, what ever gets you through the day. Peace to you.

[Lex Talionis]

44. Damn Dude! I just checked your

Profile. I thought you were a female. That explains why you love the Big Dawg. I withdraw my apologies, but will extend an olive branch since your backing Obama.

[Mz Pip]

26. Um, why the ending snark?

Was that necessary? I certainly haven't even heard rumors of any Obama infidelity.

While I thought the Clinton Impeachment was a waste of time and tax dollars, I found it unfortunate that Clinton gave these idiots something to work with. Knowing that they were out for him from day one, his judgment sure was lacking in ragard to Monica. She may have initiated it but he really should have said no and then had her transferred out of there.

You get the good and the bad with the Clintons. You can't cherry pick. Hillary isn't my first choice but I'll support her if she is the nominee. Will Bill stay behind the scenes? Will he behave himself? I have no idea. None.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Mz Pip]

27. Um, why the ending snark?

Was that necessary? I certainly haven't even heard rumors of any Obama infidelity.

While I thought the Clinton Impeachment was a waste of time and tax dollars, I found it unfortunate that Clinton gave these idiots something to work with. Knowing that they were out for him from day one, his judgment sure was lacking in ragard to Monica. She may have initiated it but he really should have said no and then had her transferred out of there.

You get the good and the bad with the Clintons. You can't cherry pick. Hillary isn't my first choice but I'll support her if she is the nominee. Will Bill stay behind the scenes? Will he behave himself? I have no idea. None.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Lex Talionis]

30. Well I guess you told me , huh

Usually when someone insults your family behind the safety of the internet, it tells alot about them. No problem, the internet is the last refuge so small minded people with big mouths can sleep easy at night. As for the Clintons, I have family who did business with them in Arkansas, They have no reason to tell lies on them. They made a lot of money by them. At the expense of poor working stiffs.Its not his penis I worry about, believe me Bill and I would get along just fine.People tend to over look their favored son's if it will benefit them. you answered a lot of questions for me ieoeja, without maybe realizing it. I apologize if I insulted you or made you question your beliefs, Thats not why I'm here. I have "influenced" people, men and women, to "deny" that they ever saw me or knew me, so people under the influence of a powerful politician may only say what they have to to get by. If My Daughter brought home a black man like Obama, I would be OK with it. Not sure how you know he has a Big cock, though. Unless its one of those stereotype things. Peace to you.

[ieoeja]

36. You convinced people to deny they ever saw or knew you?

I guess that says a lot about the kind of sick shit you must be hiding.

[Lex Talionis]

41. I guess that says a lot about the kind of sick shit you must be hiding.

So that should make you think about what those who really have power are hiding then. Again, I am sorry that I upset you.

[Lex Talionis]

32. Well Folks

I appreciate the input. I got one really good answer to my questions. not much mentioned about the last election which I find odd. That was the one I really wanted to talk about. Right now it looks like the question about Bill is spinning into, somehow I'm afraid of his dick. Big Dawg, ya got ta love him. I'll probably just lurk like I was doing before and just answer to others post, now and again. So here is the summary, the way I see it.

Bill may, or may not, or possible will play a big part.

Bill is the Big Dawg, and women are his toys.

Steal the election for my side, A OK. Other side does it and their Nazis.

What! last election we had a 4 months war hero and a weekend draft dodger. Don't tell me we didn't have a choice!

Peace and Respects to those who deserve it and I hold no hard feelings to any who answered my questions, no matter how they answered. In the years that I have followed this site many on here have made me question the way I think about Liberals, realizing that we have a lot in common. Alas some of ya not so much. The internet is a powerful tool and a messy weapon, I have learned much about human nature from it. For those of you who really think you have a choice between the two parties, and it not be Obama, I hope you prove me wrong. Theres a storm commin, People are fedup that there jobs are leaving the country, they can't make a decent living, I live among them, I hear what they say, black and white. Part of my job is to remove production equipment from this country and install it in others. NAFTA. Who gave us that?

[ellisonz]

35. "I'm not here to keyboard kung fu."

Dude, great line.

[Mountainman]

37. So the most important issue is Bill's blow jobs! Man that is really pathetic!

How about Kennedy and his girl friends? How about FDR who died in the same room with his girl friend?

I suppose that disqualifies them as being great Presidents.

[Lex Talionis]

43. Like the name

I assume your not a "nuckldraggen" mountianman like the type I know. No the issue is not Bills blow jobs. If you read what I asked you might would see that. I'm not here to knock ya'lls "Jesus". FDR was a hell of a president and In my opinion the last real one we had. Where are our jobs going? Who made that happen? Why are the Clinton's and Bush's so buddy buddy? Why in the last election were our only choices two mega rich white guys from the same college and members of the same secret organization? Why is every real Liberal and real Conservative, I know, scared to death of Obama? Its not media hype driving his popularity, no matter what you may be told. We're sick of both Dems and Repubs screwing us and saying its for our own good. They play us against each other and we take. Not any more. I never post on the web, I came here because of all the sites I monitor I really believed this one would have the most "Free thinkers". Hell, I've been wrong before. So let me once again apologize to all the Clinton disciples A vote for her will keep me in business. I have enough work to last me until I retire pulling equipment out of America and installing it in South America. God I love Brazil! Peace to you mountainman and if you really live in the mountains I am most envious.

[cooolandrew]

38. This is just the post we needed, people are changing and will change even more so with Barack.

Other campaigns have been so pesimistic about the future and so divisive. The way america can overcome the wosrt is together. Barack not only wants to be presidnt but share the experience with the people.

[Taverner]

45. Um, sleeping with a consenting 20-something not taking advantage of them

Sorry - I support Obama, but I take offense to this