Little Star
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Tue Feb-12-08 10:55 AM
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Caucus to solve FL & MI problems? Both states are primary |
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states, not caucus states. I know that Obama loves a caucus, but why should either state agree to become a caucus state. Re-do the primary, MAYBE, but caucus NO WAY!!!!!! Frig the $$, the DNC & State leaders screwed this up, not the voters in either state. They have a right to remain primary states. Wouldn't be fair to change the way a state votes and disenfranchise so many. Handicapped, elderly, shy people, people who do not have a good command of the english language, people who are private and don't want to wear their vote on their sleeve all get disenfranchised by a caucus. Primaries provide a much longer period of time during the day to cast a ballot, they provide privacy from spouses, neighbors, bosses,etc. Caucus only allows certain hour/hours to caucus, which leave many who cannot get there at that specific time disenfranchised. Primaries are the only real democratic way to select a nominee. Don't be bullied FL & MI keep your vote private, keep your states primary states, not only for your self but for others as well. Give em an inch they will take a mile.
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Tue Feb-12-08 10:58 AM
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Primary all right with me.
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Tue Feb-12-08 10:58 AM
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Tue Feb-12-08 10:59 AM
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2. Both MI and FL broke the rules. |
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They really don't have much say on which method of voting they want. It's either a caucus or sit in a corner. The compromise is very reasonable and will allow them to seat the delegates at a lower cost. Yes, it's cheaper, and it's also a excellent compromise and gives both candidates (and Gravel) a chance to campaign in both states legally.
One way for people who are unable to caucus is to leave an provisional or absentee ballot declaring of their intention on who they want, and it would be valid.
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Tue Feb-12-08 11:01 AM
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5. I think that they should sit in the corner. they knew what would happen if they broke the rules |
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Tue Feb-12-08 11:01 AM
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6. I'm with you on that... If they are seated, there is going to be hell to pay... |
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The DNC determined these rules months ago and both states new what the consequences would be if they changed there dates... They should not be seated, period.
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Tue Feb-12-08 11:54 AM
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Obama has said that FL (my state that voted was a beauty contest), oh really. That is why Hillary took this state by huge margins. Scream about you did not complete here, no we do not want you here. If you ask me, you will loose this state if you are the dem nom., but you will not win trust me on this one.
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Tue Feb-12-08 10:59 AM
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3. I think the push for a caucus |
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Has more to do with the cost than with giving any candidate an advantage. Any primary would have to be party-run, as the states certainly would not agree to run them, even if the national party footed the bill. A party-run primary would be very expensive, and I just do not think it would be realistic to set it up in the time we have left. In any event, I do not think it is likely either a party run caucus or primary will occur in either state. The state parties of both FL and MI are very opposed to such an idea, and they would be the ones having to do the work to run the caucus or primary. Its just not going to happen.
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Tue Feb-12-08 11:16 AM
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7. You think that the voters should pay the price for what |
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party leaders and the DNC caused? Even the R's came up with a better way to handle this from the get go. Why should FL & MI voters be punished? I say a re-do, using primaries, is a fair compromise to untangle this mess that the voters had no say in. The DNC and the state leaders, hung out these dem voters to dry and that is wrong. Their voices need to be heard. If it takes a do-over to give the voters their right to participate, than so be it. Both states are primary states and should not be forced into being caucus states, period.
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Tue Feb-12-08 11:20 AM
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9. I'm not saying I think new primaries are a bad idea |
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I just think it will not happen. There is basically no way for the DNC to run primaries in FL and MI without the help of the state parties, and there is virtually no way the state parties will agree to this. I live in Florida (Palm Beach County), so I have vested interest into the outcome of this issue, but I am just not sure it matters anymore. If somehow the DNC can convince the states to help run primaries there, I am all for it, and will happily cast my vote.
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Tue Feb-12-08 11:00 AM
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4. New primaries would be better. They take longer to plan and are more |
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expensive, so doing nothing makes them less and less feasible, which may suit the purposes of some.
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I would have to agree here with you. As a black male I did not vote for Obama here is FL based on the fact he is ALL talk and not real ideas of how to solve problems. He gets people out there to vote in these caucus states and screams about winning in red states, Alabama...what a joke dude.
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