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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:15 PM
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Tom Hayden: ...Clinton Democrats Face the Obama Future
Death of Reform, Birth of Reform: Clinton Democrats Face the Obama Future
by Tom Hayden

Between 1968-1972, when Hillary Rodham and Bill Clinton began their political journey, the Democrats were gripped by a great wave of change, propelled mainly by young people, from the bottom up. The Chicago convention protests were a mirror into this transition. In these pivotal years, young people could not vote and most delegates to the convention were chosen in backrooms by party bosses. By 1972, the so-called McGovern reforms led to the displacement of the old guard and the seating of people like Rev. Jesse Jackson in place of Mayor Daley’s cronies. Most important, unlike before, rank-and-file Democrats were empowered to vote for their preferences in presidential primaries.

The Clintons were part of that early wave. Now their hopes for survival may rest on so-called super-delegates, a category of appointed party loyalists which the McGovern reforms failed to erase. The super-delegates are a throwback to the old tradition of a top-down privileged oligarchy maintaining the citadel against the grass-roots, democratically-chosen delegates. They are not necessarily the rich and powerful, though there are plenty of them. Many are like Rachel Binah, mentioned in the New York Times, who is a former radical environmentalist grass-roots California Democrat who worked her way up the party ladder and now receives phone calls from Chelsea and Hillary Clinton soliciting her vote. It’s an old style insider trading system, and now threatens to eclipse the reforms achieved starting in the early Seventies. It would be an ugly, contaminated way to seal the final decision in one of the best primary contests ever conducted.

Even uglier will be the establishment claim that Michigan and Florida should count for Clinton even though the Democratic Party ruled against recognizing those state’s contests.

If Clinton is chosen by the super-delegates or on the basis of the Michigan/Florida results, I would not be surprised to see hundreds of thousands of young Obama supporters silently circling the Denver convention petitioning the party to recognize their historic achievement.

It may not happen that way. But it could.

Obama is poised to win eight straight primaries in the week since Super Tuesday, with only Virginia a bit uncertain at this point. In their staggering spin, the Clinton forces are denying that these eight states matter in comparison with California and New York. This spin will be challenged when and if Obama wins Wisconsin and Hawaii on the 19th, for ten victories in a row. Coming out of Super Tuesday ahead in 14 states to Clinton’s eight (some are still counting), that would mean Obama finishes February with 24 states to eight against the former First Lady and a former president popular with Democrats. The delegate totals in those 24 states are more than Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania combined, and even if the Clintons win in those three big states they still stand to lose in the 14 states remaining. That would mean approximately a 38-11 Obama sweep of the primary states by June, with one unknown at the moment.

Obama needs to fight the media perception, prompted partly by the Clintons, that “it’s all over” when the big three states weigh in. That may not be any more accurate than the previous dogma that it would be all over by Super Tuesday.

more...

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/12/7016/
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samrock Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:22 PM
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1. sooo
You say..

Even uglier will be the establishment claim that Michigan and Florida should count for Clinton even though the Democratic Party ruled against recognizing those state’s contests

That means the millions of people who DID vote in these two states should just be told to STFU.. your votes do not count.. now be quite and sit in a corner and wait for next time and MAYBE you will be lucky and your votes will count then.. Sheesh voters in Florida have sure heard THAT a lot... Maybe there answer will be FINE!! ok we will set out in November as well..

I SOO bet most of these types of posts would be SOOO different if Obama had won the most delegates in those states!!
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:27 PM
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6. not for me....
I've resigned myself to the possibility that the SD's will decide the nominee. I'd hate it, resent it, but that's the current structure and as party members we'll need to fight to change it for 2012.

But if she wins by getting FL/MI seated, I'm out. Done. I'll change my registration to Independent because this will be one of the most corrupt deals in convention history. And I'd feel the same way if the situation was reversed and Obama was fighting to seat these delegates.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:29 PM
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8. That was established BEFORE they voted
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 12:30 PM by underpants
so they knew that when they made the effort to vote anyway. What they SHOULD do, if I can be so presumptive, is raise hell with the leadership of their state organizations.

That being said, when Florida and Michigan were frozen out it basically locked up the win for Hillary.

Welcome to DU :hi:

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samrock Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:34 PM
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Ironically it may have resulted
in Obama getting the nomination.. Normally wins in states as large as Florida and Michigan would give a canidate a HUGE momentum boost and over shadowed a win in a smaller state like South Carolina, but Clinton got no bump at all going into Super Tuesday... In the end Mr Obama may want to thank Howard Dean for winning the nomination..
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:41 PM
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11. Maybe but Obama never got a chance to campaign there
and that guy can campaign ANYWHERE

He has shown, repeatedly, the ability to close gaps and in fact flip whole states (Ct.)
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:23 PM
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2. Hopefully Obama will win in large enough #'s that the SD's do not make
the final decision.

If they do, it will be time for a total revision of the Democratic party, and probably cost us the 08 election.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:24 PM
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3. So winning blue states with large population is not important - better red state caucuses & AA vote?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:26 PM
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4. K&R
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:26 PM
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5. K&R Thanks for posting this! n/t
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:28 PM
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7. Without Jane Fonda's money, Tom has gone nowhere...
...tell me why I should care what he has to say?
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:34 PM
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9. Clinton won't push the FL/MI thing too hard
If she gets the nomination because of that type of political pressure, she will be forever branded as a wheeler-dealer insider politician who didn't win the primary on valid terms. And she will severely piss off a lot of Democrats.

Nor are the superdelegates an issue at this point. Remember, there are a lot more still to be assigned, and at this point they would be better off waiting to see who the winner of the primaries is, rather than risk getting on the wrong side of the next president.
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:35 PM
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10. Dupe sorry n/t
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 12:37 PM by caseycoon
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:46 PM
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12. Nominated.
Very good!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:49 PM
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13. Eight straight, it must be fate!
K and R
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:03 PM
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14. Great article.
K/R



Peace:thumbsup:
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:10 PM
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15. There are a couple ways this can get REALLY ugly before the nominee is decided
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