Two of my female friends have used the term "pimping out" in a non-sexual way in emails to me today

[rudy23]

The first one said she was "pimping out" her dog to see who wanted to dog-sit in the next couple of weeks.

The second one said she was "pimping out" her relationship memories to win a contest for free wedding photos.


I just wanted to point that out to everyone. These women are political, but not so much that they are making any reference to the Shuster/Clinton dust-up.


THAT'S JUST HOW YOUNG PEOPLE TALK!!!! PIMPING OUT = SELLING!!!

Is this the kind of thought control we would have under a Hillary Clinton presidency? Is this how our media is going to be coerced for the next 4-8 years?

[DUyellow]

1. I hope not, we have already had 8 years of that, thats the problem. They shouldn't have this contro

[calico1]

2. That's fine but...

Everybody isn't young and to a lot of people "pimping out" means the original meaning--"whoring out."

Unless we are talking about MTV, a responsible journalist should use language that can be understood by everyone and not be offensive. Plus to me it makes a journalist sound less credible when he or she uses vulgarisms like that.

[Bentcorner]

6. Is Keith Olbermann a responsible journalist?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20896378/

"And in pimping General David Petraeus and in the violation of everything this country has been assiduously and vigilantly against for 220 years, you have tried to blur the gleaming radioactive demarcation between the military and the political, and to portray your party as the one associated with the military, and your opponents as the ones somehow antithetical to it."

[calico1]

13. I don't watch KO. n/t

[Bentcorner]

3. Keith Olbermann used it in conjunction with General David Petraeus, yet he was never suspended

by MSNBC. Why the double-standard?

[rodeodance]

5. If anyone has to tell you. you are one sad case!

[UALRBSofL]

10. I don't like any kind of name calling

I guess because I'm sensitive to name calling. You don't know the things I have been called by democrats and republicans. The favorite word is F*gg*t.

[rodeodance]

20. I did not name-call.

[Bentcorner]

23. Yes you did. You called me a "sad case".

[rinsd]

11. Because one is a reference to a candidate's daughter.

Double standard? Welcome to the real world.

Is this like white people arguing they should be able to use the n-word?

[Bentcorner]

18. So a 27 year old woman that works for a hedge fund should be

treated with more respect than a four-star Army General? What if Chelsea joined the military? Would the phrase have been OK?

[rinsd]

21. What does Chelsea's occupation have to do with it.

If you can't see the difference in relevance from a 4 star General in charge of our disasturous effort in Iraq and a candidate's daughter speaking on her behalf, I'm not sure I can help you.

I suppose you agreed with the Senate resolution criticizing moveon :eyes:

Trolls must be running out of screennames, there are cicadas all over the place.

[Bentcorner]

22. Name calling? Is that all you have?

[rinsd]

24. chirp chirp chirp

Its cicada season!

[Bentcorner]

26. It must suck not to have any substance and to only be able to make sound effects.

[rinsd]

32. Oh I wish I could do sound effects instead of just typing them.

I'll have to settle for pictures



And substance from you on why its ok to say a candidate is pimping out their daughhter.

[Bentcorner]

25. and she wasn't just speaking on her mother's behalf. She was calling

and meeting with superdelegates, asking them to circumvent the democratic process and vote for her mother.

Like this 21 year old "superdelagate" she has a one-on-one breakfast with.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=92823&mesg_id=92823

[rinsd]

31. Superdelegates can vote for whomever they wish, how is the democratic process circumvented?

Are you so naive as to think Obama isn't wooing super delegates?



"Nancy Larson is an uncommitted Democratic Super Delegate. She is one of 16 in Minnesota who may help decide the next presidential candidate.

She's had a phone call from Chelsea Clinton, former President Bill Clinton called to chat, and a couple of days ago, Sen. Hillary Clinton called.

"On Super Tuesday, I got a call from Hillary herself," said Larson.

Democrats created Super Delegates after the super-sized crash and burn of the 1972 George McGovern campaign. They are 842 'free agents' who act as a safety valve against political disasters.

"I think it is a really critical important decision and its fun to laugh about it, but it's going to be tough. I never expected to be in this position. Its never happened before," said Larson.

This year, evenly divided Democrats may be headed to a brokered convention -- focusing super attention on unpledged Super delegates, like Larson got from the Obama campaign.

"Who can I have talk to you? How about George Clooney? Can I have George Clooney talk to you?" Larson recalled from the phone call.

Larson, who's a member of the Democratic National Committee, sai

http://wcco.com/local/super.delegate.win.2.649720.html

Do you think Superdelegates should vote like their state? That's fine with me (Hillary would be winning). But something tells me Obama would like to keep his super delegates voters from MA like Ted Kennedy & John Kerry.

[Bentcorner]

33. Because the 21 year old superdelegate is being asked to vote

differently then his constituents.

[rinsd]

37. And Hillary won MA handily. Should Obama give up Ted Kennedy & John Kerry's superdelegate votes?

Should he give up his super delegates votes in CA, NY & NJ?

And the 21 year old has no constituents. He is not an elected official. He ran a campaign to be a superdelegate within the DNC.

Go back into hibernation and read up cicada. You're not ready for the big leagues.

[Bentcorner]

42. Yes, the superdelegates should all vote in conjunction with their local

constituents. The 21 year old superdelegate lives in a geographical area represented by regular delegates. He should not be voting the opposite of them. No matter how many lunches he has with Chelsea.

Who our next president will be should not be the result of backroom deals. Go right ahead and keep on calling me names.

[rinsd]

47. What about Senators? They represent entire states.

You also seem unaware of the complicated nature of some of the states caucus's & primaries in terms of how they award delegates. (Hint: its not always proportional to votes). Texas for instance had two tiers of awarding delegates and conducts a primary & a caucus.

"The 21 year old superdelegate lives in a geographical area represented by regular delegates. He should not be voting the opposite of them."

He is a super delegate who can vote as he damn well pleases. If he writes in Al Gore, so be it. He's been a party activist since he was a young child then campaigned for his inclusion in the superdelegate ranks. I trust him to make the decision he feel is best for the party and the country.

"No matter how many lunches he has with Chelsea."

But phone calls from John Kerry are ok? The faux outrage is quite amusing.

[Bentcorner]

51. No, phone calls from Kerry is not OK. I am embarrassed as a Democrat

about this asinine superdelegate system. I think it's sad the our nominee may very well not be the one that got the most votes. It's undemocratic.

[rinsd]

53. Is this your 1st election?

"I think it's sad the our nominee may very well not be the one that got the most votes."

I think folks are getting upset about scenarios that are unlikely to happen.

"It's undemocratic."

There are many things that are technically undemocratic about the way parties select their nominee.

[NashVegas]

41. KO Was Prepared to Defend His Comments

May be the largest difference of all. Shuster admitted his reason was personal.

[Bentcorner]

46. Really? So KO doesn't let his personal feelings effect how he reports things?

[paulk]

4. maybe it depends on your age?

For a lot of younger people it's part of the common vernacular. For older folks it's a deadly insult. Even the way your friends use it has negative connotations.

Are you trying to defend Shuster?

You are claiming "thought control"?

Don't you think that argument slips into hyperbole?

[LostinVA]

12. My wife will be 25 next week, and she very much thinks Shuster was wrong

So, both the youngun and the middle-aged women in my household beliwve there is NO WAY to use "pimp" in a non-sexual, non-offensive way when it's used about a woman. It's impossible. And, we both think that professional journalists should act like professional journalists, and not like Regis and Kelly.

[saracat]

7. dupe

[rodeodance]

8. Why are you blaming your child's use of the words on Hillary Clinton?

HAT'S JUST HOW YOUNG PEOPLE TALK!!!! PIMPING OUT = SELLING!!!

Is this the kind of thought control we would have under a Hillary Clinton presidency? Is this how our media is going to be coerced for the next 4-8 years?

[papau]

9. You do sound like a nice "Obama 'Ho "- but that is just the way folks talk

Lest the easilt offensive but even more easily offended Obama crowd might niss the point - that was sarcasm.

:sarcasm: - as in the word "'ho" is used - just like it is in Hip Hop - and is not meant to be offensive - it just to contrast your justification of thephrase " pimping out Chelsea Clinton"

[displacedtexan]

14. I've known what "That sucks" means for decades.

I use it, but I know what it means.

Would young people use "that sucks" if it didn't have a sexual origin?

David Schuster and MSNBC know better. They choose to be "cool."

Again, would young people use "pimping out" if it only meant selling?

Of course not.

Young people aren't stupid.

[rudy23]

54. I promise you, people say "that sucks" without realizing it has sexual roots

It just becomes automatic.

I'm not saying that we should be proud of the genealogy of our informal language today, but it's just the truth. We say these things without intending anything towards their original literal meaning.

And and much as you may want to hold Shuster up to a high standard of journalism, he gets paid to talk about the news informally. At least in this case, as a sub on a cable shock/jock show, his job was to talk informally about the race.

[saracat]

15. That was NOT how Shuster used the term and the world should not be

judged by how "young people" sometimes use a word. Chelsea is not a a pet or a memmory or a car she is a young woman and to "pimp " a youn women out is to employ her as a prostitute.There is NO other meaning to this phrase when used in conjunction with a young woman's name. I am sickened that anyone is "Still " trying to justify this.

[saracat]

16. Dupe

[saracat]

17. Dupe

[MagsDem]

19. OMFG

Just how fucking low are Obama supporters going to go to excuse this utter bullshit from the media? If Shuster said CA voters sent your "boy" back home to the "watermelon patch" would that be okay? Do you think HRC supporters or ANY SELF RESPECTING DEM WOULD SUPPORT IT?

Honest to god, I don't even know this party any more. I have the feeling me and the dem party are going to be parting ways for good. You are no better than rethugs.

[doc03]

29. Exactly, If anyone would have said Obama

was pimping out his wife or kids it would have been a completely different story. Just like many on this board have been talking about Bush's drinking and alleged cocaine use for the last 7 years. Now when it comes to Obama who admitted to using cocaine it's a taboo subject. Look at the fuss that was made when Bill Clinton said Obama's position on the Iraq war was a "fairy tale". Or when Hillary said Obama hadn't done the "spade work." That was just a comment on his experience like if you would be taking credit for a great vegetable garden when someone else actually got their hands dirty and did the "spade work". Somehow that was a racist statement to the Obama supporters.

[ieoeja]

39. No fucking way this is an Obama supporter.

Or if he is, we sure don't want him.

[Maribelle]

27. Did your mother ever tell you the age-old saying about jumping off a bridge naked ...

in the middle of winter?

[Maddy McCall]

28. My friends say a lot of stuff. But they're not news anchors.

[Bentcorner]

34. Keith Olbermann is a news anchor. Should he be suspended too?

[Maddy McCall]

38. I don't think that either should be suspended.

I think what Shuster said was ugly, but I don't think that he should be suspended.

News anchors--all of them--should be held to a higher level of decorum than my friends. My friends say some pretty obnoxious stuff, but they're not broadcast to millions of people.

[Marie26]

30. Except Shuster made it clear

in his email that he was using the term in a derogatory way because he was angry that Chelsea wouldn't grant him an interview. He could've said, sorry, slang term, no offense meant, etc. He didn't. Instead, he seem to believe that he was entitled to tear down Chelsea as punishment for her avoiding the media - and I saw as well a veiled threat that he'll keep doing this unless he gets an interview with her. No sympathy here.

[ieoeja]

35. What a crock.

Yeah, sure. Accusing someone else of pimping out their daughter is EXACTLY the same as someone talking about pimping out their dog.

:sarcasm:

Who is the latter insulting? Their fucking dog? I'm sure that really hurts the dog's feelings. Better get PETA on this one, stat!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

36. DROP THEM AS FRIENDS! IMMEDIATELY!

they are SO anti-Chelsea!

sheesh. how stupid can we become in this country?

[NashVegas]

40. Are Your Friends Network Broadcasters Who Purport to Do a News Program?

Believe it or not, people in some professions are held to a higher standard of communication.

For example, Bubba the Love Sponge has his place, and it's not on Good Morning America.

[Bentcorner]

43. Broadcast? You do know that MSNBC is a cable network, right?

[NashVegas]

44. Oh. Excuse Me

"Are your friends cable newscasters with a world-wide reach, who purport to do a news program?"

Better?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

45. "broad"-cast? how sexist.

see how silly the whole issue is?

[SaveOurDemocracy]

50. Uhhhh.....no. I DO see how silly you are, though. n/t

[SaveOurDemocracy]

48. Yeah ... they also use the phrase, "That's gay!" for

anything they don't like. Is that Okie-dokie with all you people busy pimping out the Clintons??


'Rape' is another word that has gained popularity, at least in the gaming world. Very common in aggressive-sounding user names ... "Str8Rapin" for example. That's impressive, isn't it? The word 'rape' has taken on positive, macho connotations in some circles. They also talk about 'tea-baggin' each other, and every other kind of trash talk you can imagine.


So ... I guess we should be expecting to hear these things on TeeVee from the professional pundits and 'journalists' in the very near future.

[nonconformist]

49. It's a good thing that professional newscasters are held to the same formality

and professionalism as emails between friends.

[rudy23]

55. Actually, I'd argue that Shuster is there specifically to talk informally about the news

...as if it were a conversation between friends. That's the whole point of those horrible half-hour shows like *ucker Carlson's.

I promise you that Glenn Beck will say something worse about one of the candidates by the end of the week.

[IronLionZion]

52. They should be fired today

You call them your friends? Cease the friendship immediately!

:sarcasm:

We need a faux outrage emoticon.