There is no excuse for Hillary missing the vote on Telecom Immunity......NONE

[Perky]

It is an election day in DC...Where the heck is she?

[AtomicKitten]

1. Rationalizations and deflection in 3, 2, 1 ...

[tridim]

6. Hillary needs to give her own rationalization

No supporter can rationalize and deflect this because it's 100% irrational. I really don't get it at all.

[AtomicKitten]

12. It does showcase her propensity to cover-up rather than shine sunlight on the process.

[SteppingRazor]

2. It's especially weird given that today's primaries are in the D.C. area anyway...

but at the same time, I don't think Obama has the moral high ground when it comes to missing votes, no?

[HeraldSquare212]

4. But that's the point - he wasn't claiming the moral high ground. nt

[Cant trust em]

17. If she wasn't in Maryland, DC, or Virignia

what was she doing? Can we check her schedule on her website?

[SteppingRazor]

21. She's not in the area today. She's in Texas:

http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_8208826?source=most_emailed

[Cant trust em]

27. Doing my best Dana Carvey impression...

Isn't that conveeeeeeeeeenient.

[Squatch]

3. She's stuck in traffic

I-395 was backed up pretty good a couple hours ago.

[beachmom]

5. Sure there is. She knows the netroots aren't with her. She doesn't CARE

about what we care about. All she cares about is winning OH and TX. She wasn't even in DC or the DC area to campaign today, so no chance or motivation to vote.

[southern_dem]

7. yep

At least Obama showed up and voted on the right side.

[jackson_dem]

19. Unlike on SCHIP, which he skipped, and Hillary voted for

Do Obamites really want to compare attendance records?

[Cant trust em]

29. It's not worth it

It is part of campaigning. There will always be excuses for candidte X to miss a vote.

[Leopolds Ghost]

39. It's not worth it to oppose this bill, which legalizes Bush's telecom wiretapping?

[Cant trust em]

54. No. Comparing attendance records.

If we go down that line we're all bound to be disappointed sooner or later.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. She was at a concert, shredding.

[tammywammy]

23. lol

:rofl:

[Debi]

9. Last I heard on her way to Texas - to build her firewall for the nomination n/t

[Freetospeak]

10. BABBBABBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWAWAAW ROFL

[rateyes]

11. She wasn't there? Then she couldn't have even voted

"present."

[TexasObserver]

13. What makes you think she would have voted right?

[flor de jasmim]

14. Didn't she say she was a mother first and a candidate second?

Guess being a Senator comes in third---wonder where "wife" comes in. It is not just a question of voting, but if she expects to LEAD both sides of the aisle, she should be showing us NOW what she can do.

[WillTheGoober]

15. ummm...

Obama missed the vote on Iran -- then criticized Hillary for her vote on Iran.

She doesn't miss many -- and this is down to the wire.

:eyes:

[mckeown1128]

26. Harry Reid already took responsibility for Obama missing the

vote on Iran. He told Obama the wrong voting time. Nice try though.

[Straight Shooter]

33. Who else did Harry Reid tell the wrong time to?

What a curious mistake for the Majority Leader to make.

[mckeown1128]

34. Reid is inept and should be replaced.

I think Hillary should take his position as Majority Leader. :evilgrin:

[WillTheGoober]

35. hahaha...

WHAT?

Turn on C-Span, Barack.
They have the accurate times. :-)

Obama said in the debate that missing the Iran vote was due to "Casualties of the campaign."

How many passes does this guy get?
I think he gets a pass for every delegate he wins.
Or perhaps a delegate comes with every pass?
I'm not sure.

Something tells me that Republicans won't be so nice to him come Spring.
I don't think they're going to play nice with the media darling, Barack Obama.
The Republicans won't care about upsetting Obama's base with racist remarks; they don't get votes from African Americans anyway.

Obama missed the Iran vote; can he just take responsibility for that?

It's interesting -- Obama criticizes every vote of Hillary's which he didn't even show up for. Perhaps he should actually vote himself before he goes out and criticized Hillary for being accountable. Hillary must have flipped on C-Span like the rest of us.

''W.''

[rinsd]

48. That is a steaming pile. Reid said no such thing.

Obama wasn't even there for the orig vote on Kyl Lieberman.

He left for Maine that evening while the debate continued and decided not go back to DC the next day but stay for the NH primary.

He found out that morning that a vote would be held, vote was held around 12:45.

Every other Senator running for Prez made both the vote and the NH debate that evening.

My personal take is Obama never thought Hillary would vote yes on it and has been kicking himself every since for missing a vote to campaign.

[Occam Bandage]

40. Obama's miss of K-L was also inexcusable, IMO. I never defended that.

[Zodiak]

16. Just letting her DLC friends give Bush what he wants

Look at the list of crossovers....85% are DLC. They vote that way just about every time Bush wants more power over our government and our citizens.

Hillary is one of the leaders of the DLC....I think she knew what her allies were going to do and decided not to interfere. After all, she gets all those nifty powers should she ram herself through our primary system.

And people tell me the DLC is irrelevent...irrelevent enough to have given us EVERY SINGLE Bush power grab since the jerk took office.

I am telling you...the neocons and the DLC are the same "shadow party" that has coopted both parties....no matter what happens in this country, the neocons will have their way because they are leading BOTH parties.

And like football fans, so many of us DUers can only see R's and D's and actually vote tokeep these DLC assholes in, effectively removing any opportunity we have to be an opposition party. I'd rather be a minority opposition party than a majority neocon-enabling party.

[TwilightGardener]

18. Bad news--it must have been a tough vote for her, because I'm sure

she would have been tempted to vote FOR it to preserve her self-image as a hawk on national security and a friend to corporations.

[CreekDog]

20. this is understandable, after all it's a big election day

that's why she's in Texas. :eyes:

[CreekDog]

22. this is understandable, after all it's a big election day

that's why she's in Texas. :eyes:

[Az_lefty]

she can't afford to piss off her corporate overlords...

no way would she vote against them. So, just don't show up and spin a bunch of excuses.

[displacedtexan]

24. Would her vote have made a difference?

Sadly, no.

Check the votes cast.

[cottonseed]

32. Wouldn't make a difference. She would have voted for it anyways.

nt

[bunnies]

25. Agreed.

What a joke. I dont care if it would have changed the outcome or not. She should have been there.

[mckeown1128]

28. In Hillary's defense. The vote wasn't close. nt

[Straight Shooter]

31. Thank you. A breath of fresh air on this forum. n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

42. And you think Hillary's allies in the Senate should have made it not close?

[IndianaGreen]

45. It was closer than Kyl-Lieberman

yet she made a federal case that Obama missed that vote.

Even DiFi voted against telecom immunity!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

51. Guaranteed...if DiFi held the deciding vote= Aye.

'Teed!

[Hobarticus]

30. No excuse for Obama missing 2 votes on CHIP.......NONE

Where the heck was he?

[zulchzulu]

36. "Can you hear me now?"

Bill signing the Telecommunications Act was the opening scene to this tragic series of Clintonian Repug In Disguise drama.

[BlackVelvet04]

37. Oh, the drama of the outrage....waaaaaaaaaaaaah. n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

43. Amazing how mindless and ignorant of real issues anyone who would dismiss warrantless wiretapping

Of all US citizens, especially targeting "radicals"

(which this bill legalizes, and removes YOUR right to sue)

As a non-issue and LAUGH about it.

[JTFrog]

38. It is no surprise she has remained silent on the issue.

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2369


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Both Edwards and Obama have made it clear they will break the power of the wireless gatekeepers, the telecom lobbyists who gut our laws, and the Comcast traffic shaping tyrants. Clinton, though, has been a noted absence in the debate about spectrum, mumbling about it incoherently at Yearlykos, and her plan for broadband was written by the telcos and doesn't include net neutrality. She still hasn't come out clearly on retroactive immunity, as her campaign's ties to telecom lobbyists are not trivial, and it looks from her possible FCC choices that her administration would be a continuation of the Clinton-Bush years of media and telecom deregulation.

[Leopolds Ghost]

46. This is more than just corruption, though... Hillary, Rockefeller, Mikulski, Webb all back NSA

Which is a fundamentally illegal dragnet of all US communications.

That is what they DO at NSA.

They use telecom routers to "cache" and filter all phone and e-mail traffic just like Google does.

The same way Hitler (and the anti-abolitionists) used to go through everyones' mail.

[Jed Dilligan]

41. Her dog ate her homework.

[Catherine Vincent]

44. I heard she is in El Paso today. nt

[knowledgeispwr]

47. In defense of Clinton

the vote wasn't close and Obama has missed votes in the past too.

What is unacceptable is how someone earlier tried to slime Obama by falsely claiming that he voted incorrectly on this issue.

[Leopolds Ghost]

49. What is unacceptable is that FISA is the real issue mindless partisans are ignoring.

This is about the 4th Amendment,

not who gets to be the next President and use this illegal power Reid has just granted to us.

[EndElectoral]

50. What's the excuse this time? She was right in the region...unbeleivable....

[Mme. Defarge]

52. If I could have voted

I would have taken PTO and paid for my own airfare from the West Coast to DC. The rule of law is non-negotiable.

[Bluebear]

53. And Obama's excuse for not voting on SCHIP? Eh?