So which is it, mandates or no mandates?

[BlackVelvet04]

Obama says mandates aren't necessary because he "believes" if insurance is affordable people WILL purchase it.

Obama mandates insurance for parents.

So which is it dude? Mandates aren't necessary or they are?

Why the discrepancy? Are parents just more irresponsible than everyone else? Or, mr. can't make up your mind, are you pandering to the young people who typically don't buy health insurance and end up costing the rest of us when they show up in the emergency room?

[BOSSHOG]

1. Hey, hey you are gonna piss off the cult

Don't you know if you don't praise Obama you can't post.

[BlackVelvet04]

3. Yeah, I've noticed. n/t

[Occam Bandage]

12. So, um...evidence for a conspiracy of silencing dissent?

[BOSSHOG]

15. You people have become incredibly boring

[rodeodance]

22. very few positive posts about him--most are poop on Hillary threads

[BlackVelvet04]

2. Come on Obama fans...

surely you can explain the discrepancy.

[burythehatchet]

4. What's the matter clowns, flame bait not catching anyone today?

It's over.

[BlackVelvet04]

5. What's the matter obamabot....

can't explain it?

[BOSSHOG]

6. Dupe, sorry

[Levgreee]

7. It's because children don't have a choice, when it comes to insurance

they can't choose to have health insurance or not, because the parents do the choosing.

and he didn't say everyone who affords health insurance, will want to purchase it. WHAT HE SAID, is, for everyone who wants health insurance, the problem isn't that they aren't mandated to buy it, the problem is they can't afford it.

[BlackVelvet04]

8. So parents can't be trusted to buy it without mandates?

Guess not.

[stahbrett]

9. here's my impression of his plan

First, we have many examples of restrictions on kids but not on adults. Curfews, school attendance, etc.

As far as mandates for adults, Obama believes that most people without insurance are not people who don't want insurance, but cannot afford it. That's basically what's been proven in Massachusetts. But he has said that if that proves incorrect nationwide, then he'd revisit the issue. So start with a mandate for children, make insurance more affordable, and if there are tons of folks out there trying to game the system (by waiting until they get sick to sign up for insurance), then the mandatory coverage for kids could be expanded to them.

[BlackVelvet04]

10. He said he doesn't believe in mandates....

why mandate it for parents to buy? Because he knows DAMN GOOD AND WELL without mandates there will too many people gaming the system, but he doesn't want to piss off the younger voters so the mandates apply only to parents RIGHT NOW.

God you people are really gullible.

[rodeodance]

25. yes. I do believe that.

[stahbrett]

27. He said he doesn't think that mandates are needed, but if it turns out that they are, he'd revisit

He'd revisit the issue in the future if it turns out that mandates for adults are needed. (Evidence from Massachusetts shows that he is not wrong.)

[BlackVelvet04]

31. No, he said he BELIEVES they are not necessary...

but he mandates part of the population to buy insurance. It's dishonest and it's bullshit. He's pandering to the young people.

[stahbrett]

33. He doesn't THINK (or BELIEVE) that mandates for adults are needed

But does THINK (or BELIEVE) that mandates for children are needed. He may also THINK (or BELIEVE) that children should be forced to go to school, but that adults should not be forced to go to school. He may also feel similarly about booster seats for children (versus adults who may be no taller/heavier than some children). I don't see the hypocrisy. He does not say that he has a problem with ALL government mandates. And he's said in a debate that if it turns out he's incorrect on the need for mandates for adults he'd revisit the issue.

[BlackVelvet04]

34. Not what he said.......n/t

[stahbrett]

36. That is my recollection from one or more of the debates, but if wrong I apologize (eom)

[oviedodem]

11. You are "Neo-Conish" in that you seem to have a problem

with at least children being mandated to have insurance. MOST parents would sacrifice themselves for their children. I know I would not get insurance but do something for my child.

[rinsd]

18. There are roughly 9 million children that are currently uninsured.

Do you think that is because those parents hate their children?

The mandate on them is not going to magically make insurance more affordable(its the programs) but Obama thinks the childless should be able to opt out and pass the costs onto us when they need more expensive medical treatment via the emergency room.

[BlackVelvet04]

21. and it's geared to not pissing off the young voters who are

more likely to not get insurance and get treatment via the emergency room.

[rinsd]

28. No, its cowardice in the face of rw attacks.

He knows mandates are important. He has even discussed implementing them after lowering costs.

But he is afraid of the word mandate being used by the GOP against him.

[BlackVelvet04]

32. And he's shown over and over again he's a coward. n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

19. So why mandate it for children? Parents can't be trusted

to not game the system but everyone else can?

[UALRBSofL]

26. Being a nurse for the past 20 years

I can honestly say mandates are the best way to go. There will be a lot of people who will op out of healthcare. The people who say they can't afford it, the costs will be based on income.

If people really want Universal Healthcare then they will pay for it by increased tax's. UHC would be the best way to go because everyone would be covered. I think a mandate is the start of UHC.

[sandnsea]

37. Mandates solved our auto insurance problem

and vagrancy laws solved homelessness.

This mandate stuff will let the wealthy PRETEND the problem is solved, but the poor will always know better. Tax credits didn't solve the college problem and they won't solve the health care problem either.

[rinsd]

13. Why should the childless contribute?

I mean its not like we tax them to provide things like public schools.

Why should they be forced to contribute to health care when they can gamble that they will not need medical care?

I mean shit, we all like having extra disposable income right?

[HamdenRice]

14. Mandates are not necessary

Obama's plan makes sense. Most people want affordable insurance and will pay for it.

And if you are uninsured, you should be able to literally sign up in the emergency room. And you should not be able to stop being insured once you sign up until the earlier of: you have paid more into the system than you've used or your death.

That solves the Krugman problem.

[BlackVelvet04]

17. No, it doesn't make sense since he does mandate insurance for

part of the population.

[rodeodance]

20. ....

got your email.
i do not know why=you are 3rd person to ask
i got message saying could not send private email to you.

[UALRBSofL]

30. It doesn't work that way

When you go to the ER what will happen is if you op out of the plan Obama has then you will get billed for the care that was provided. They wont automatically sign you up with his plan if you havn't been paying for it from the beginning.

[OzarkDem]

16. Obama's wrong

as anyone who works in the health care field will tell you, there are people right now who are eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP for their children who don't sign up for it. They don't bother until they get sick or injured, then it ends up costing a great deal more than if they had signed up and received preventive care.

Health care reform involves encouraging people to be pro-active about their health - signing up for a plan and getting preventive care. Not everyone will do it, but as the evidence already shows, when too many people don't participate until they get sick, its much more expensive for everyone.

[rodeodance]

23. joys

[rodeodance]

24. Obama also said he would fine parents who did not buy in.

[democrattotheend]

29. There are a lot of decisions that govt. makes for children but lets adults choose for themselves

We all know alcohol can have harmful effects, but we let adults decide for themselves how much to drink but make it illegal for kids to drink. How is that any different?

[sandnsea]

35. We have good assistance plans for kids

Most states offer some form of SCHIP to kids for as low as $20 a month. Mandating the last few into the program is a way to get parents who don't know what help is available to find it. He's said he would be willing to do to get the last few adults into the program too, if it becomes necessary.