Blaming Hillary Clinton for her "divisiveness" is right-wing talk

[DemGa]

And it's being used against a Democrat. It is shameful and dishonest.

Was Kerry also divisive? They said he had self-inflicted wounds in Vietnam and shot a boy in the back!! What about the attacks on Max Cleland? They said he was drunk and fell on his own grenade! These Obama supporters need to realize that Republicans LIE. They have lied, do lie, and WILL lie about Dear Obama.

Using right-wing talking points against fellow Dems borders on traitorous, folks. I'm just calling it like I see it. Have at it, it needs to be said.

[TwilightGardener]

1. Takes effort to come up with an analogy this stupid. You get a gold star.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. LOL

[fadedrose]

31. More LOL

[DemGa]

34. Denial, but no substance

Double gold star for you.

[polpilot]

39. NOBODY can unite the Repubs like Hillary can...

Nobody!! Divisive, high negatives...it's a fact

[DemGa]

41. That may be true

But you certainly cannot deny the source of that perception NATIONALLY -- the right-wing hate machine. Obama freely used it to his advantage.

[polpilot]

44. The source includes democrats who say they'll vote for McCain in a Clinton v. McCain scenario.

One can get angry about that but it a fact nationwide. My 'source' includes hardcore demos at the brewpub that have
never voted repub who see little difference in a Clinton/Establishment pro-war administration posturing to be 'strong on terror'. Her lack of conviction and dishonesty about the Iraq war have brought this to her campaign.

[Clovis Sangrail]

3. there's a difference between "blaming" her for it and noting it

her negatives are through the roof... and whether that is her fault is largely irrelevant at this stage in the game.

[DemGa]

35. The "negatives" stem mostly from the right-wing machine

YEARS of attacks affect perception, and Obama plays off those negatives without NOTING their origin. He is validating the attacker --the right-wing hate machine.

[polpilot]

42. The negatives are from MANY sources...bringing us a war, not delivering healthcare...

'35 years' of service makes her an insider not a revolutionary like people are demanding. Now McCain is a change agent. George Bush has 'experience', Bad campaign...bad idea.

[ORDagnabbit]

4. traitorous? oh you mean like selling us out and not voting on the telecom bill or voting for an

illegal war or ...

shall I go on?

[DemGa]

37. That has nothing to do

with selling out another Dem to the right-wing hate machine.

[theHandpuppet]

5. It's pretty sad and disappointing to see so many buy into old RW memes

There are times when I could swear I've stumbled into Free Republic.

:shrug:

[godai]

16. How are you folks so familiar with RW talk/memes/talking points?

The possiiblity is that you don't like something being said about the Clintons, so you call it a RW meme.
I get my information from MSM and Hillary has huge negatives, regularly polling about 47% negative. That, to me, shows she is divisive.

[theHandpuppet]

25. Because we've been hearing and seeing them non-stop for 20 years now

I'm not questioning the poll numbers, what I'm saying is that those negatives are due to a 20 year long smear campaign by the RW with the complicity of the MSM. I just never thought I'd see the day when DU sounded more like Free Republic than a place for Democrats. I've heard that same old hash flung at Hillary by Limbaugh, O'Reilly and his ilk for years now and I'd prefer not to hear it on THIS space. It's very disappointing.

[bunnies]

6. roflmao.

I love this "RW talk meme". Using RW talking points is TRAITOROUS?!?! Bwaahahaha. I love DU.

[DemGa]

52. What do you call using the effects of right-wing attacks

against a Democrat by a Democrat? All in a day's work?

[ProSense]

7. Polarizing Bill Clinton

We needed additional time to see if there had been a sustained impact on voters. That’s because Democratic primary voters in South Carolina - especially African-American voters - had remained positive about Hillary Clinton (in fact, 70 percent of Obama voters would be satisfied if Clinton were the nominee). And when asked specifically about the importance of Mr. Clinton’s campaigning in their vote, the 26 percent who said it was very important actually were more likely to vote for Hillary Clinton than were those who did not think that campaigning mattered a lot.

That specific question did not measure much negative response to the former president.

Now, however, the nation’s opinion of Mr. Clinton has declined. Back in July, favorable ratings of Clinton outnumbered unfavorable ones, 51 percent to 37 percent. In the latest poll, 46 percent are favorable and 39 percent are not.

Not surprisingly, given the racially-charged component of the comments and the coverage, the change took place more among African-Americans than among whites. Whites had split 46 percent to 41 percent on Clinton last July. Now their 43 percent-43 percent split isn’t much different. But in July, blacks were favorable towards Clinton 79 percent to 7 percent. Although blacks are still among Bill Clinton’s strongest supporters, their opinions today are 63 percent favorable and 19 percent not - a drop of 16 points on the positive side, and an increase of 12 points on the negative.

There were other changes, too. After the New Hampshire primary, 31 percent of African-American Democratic primary voters nationally said Bill Clinton’s involvement in the Clinton campaign would make them more likely rather than less likely to vote for her. Now just 15 percent say that, while the proportion who says it would make them less likely stayed at about 13 percent.

link

Here is Hillary supporting Bill and engaging is divisiveness.

[griffi94]

8. right wingers think you're being divisive

if you disagree with them about anything at all no matter how trivial.
as for the rest of your post....i'm really pretty disappointed at the direction this whole hillary vrs obama thing has gone....there's something kind of disturbing...to me at least...watching the people just pile on...with a gleefulness....that's a bit creepy....any feelings of goodwill and we're all in this together seem to have been shelved......not trying to stir the shit anymore....but some of the tactics used here...especially the pile on and escalate tactics remind me very much of some shrubs more enthusiastic supporters

[jaysunb]

9. You're not making sense.

I know what you're trying to say, but rightly or wrongly, fairly or unfairly, Sen Clinton is a polarizing figure.
I'm a solid Democrat and I don't buy into her DLC politics. I'd never vote for her for anything...ever, and it has nothing to do w/ asshole rightwingers.

[Alcibiades]

12. You'll vote for her in the general election

if she's nominated and you'll like it.

[jaysunb]

30. no I won't

and I may very well resign from all my party functions and affiliations, both elected and volunteer.

[Alcibiades]

47. Wow

I don't particularly like her either (I'm an Edwards supporter), but please don't stay home or resign. The damage the Republicans can do with 8 more years of monarchical rule is frightening. The Clintons can come and go, but the grassroots needs to be there at all times, especially so that we can help hold them accountable when it comes to doing crazy things like attacking Iran.

That being said, I do agree with you on one thing: given the level of excitement and hatred Clinton and Obama supporters have mustered up for one another here on DU, I can only hope that they display the same level of vigor when it comes to the general election when they have the chance to run against someone who's actually all the things they accuse each other of being. There shouldn't be any problem with them doing the canvassing, phone banking and donating in the general election without us. Unless it really looks as though McCain will pull out an upset, I think I'll just spend that time with my family.

[Yael]

10. You don't think she is divisive within her own party?

And we shouldn't criticize her for not showing up for work today?

Really?

[burythehatchet]

13. Well, she certainly has united the members of this discussion board.

:rofl:

[DemGa]

36. There's a difference

The years of right-wing attacks are the PRIMARY reason for Hillary's so called negatives NATIONALLY. Obama freely played off that perception -- and thereby validating the right-wing hate machine.

Of course, Mr. Obama conveniently left out the cause of that perception in his attacks.

[burythehatchet]

Right. Because I have not been able to decipher my own observations

Funny, I never watch cable news, don't listen to RW radio, but somehow they got their talking points to me. I know what it is, I MUST BE A REPUBLICAN. OOPS, they're going to be pissed because I've been voting the wrong ticket for 30 years.

[blm]

11. Don't use RW talking points. My damage with Clintons is that they protect Bushes

they always have and always will.

Ever hear THAT on Limbaugh's show?

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[NastyRiffraff]

14. and EVERY SINGLE right-wing talking point has been brought up about Hillary

divisive..shrill..."she should've divorced Bill"....cold...too emotional...not feminine...too femine...etc. etc. I don't think DU has missed one. The only disagreement I have with the OP is that the anti-Clinton swill hasn't only come from the right wing; in fact, the Corporate media is just as guilty, if not more.

Some even quote, and link to, Drudge to "prove" their point.

It's despicable. Obama hasn't really been vetted yet, but if he wins the nomination, the very people some here are quoting will be all over him. If you think not, you're living in a dreamworld. The very people who are drooling over Obama now will be cutting and slashing if he's the nominee. It's what they do..to Democrats.

[griffi94]

18. correct

i was just checking some of the more enthusiastic supporters here....funny how most of them have joined in the last 10 months or so....those would be the ones with the harder edge

[robbedvoter]

24. Don't forget Monica , Marc Rich, Officegate - and I even saw Vince Foster once on DU

[FrenchieCat]

15. Unfortunately, in analyzing who would best win in a GE,

the Divisiness factor must come into consideration, no matter who is to blame for it.

di·vi·sive (d-vsv)
adj.
Creating dissension or discord.

di·visive·ly adv.
di·visive·ness n.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/divisive

[ClericJohnPreston]

17. Of course it's right wing

which is why it plays so well in Obama land, home of the conservative loving candidate, who has never met a Republican he didn't want to "turn", in his bi-partisanship efforts.

Of course, convince your followers that this is merely egalitarian in nature, rather than the political PANDERING that it really is, mix freely with crazed, rabid supporters, and you get the bizzare scene you are witnessing on DU daily.

The best part of all this is that you cannot convince a "true believer" of the foolishness of their ways. See Fundies debate the Earth being 6,000 years old, and you'll understand why this phenomena of stupidity won't stop until reality forces a meltdown!

[goldcanyonaz]

20. Nobama for me!

[whatchamacallit]

23. Use your cleric clairvoyance to envision this

<international bishop-beating hand gesture>

[corkhead]

28. !

:rofl:

[whatchamacallit]

19. If you say anything un-supportive of Hillary, no matter how legitimate, it's "right-wing talk"

Apparently she's beyond reproach, therefore any and all criticism is suspect.

[Bucky]

21. Are you calling me a Republican?

First off, one hystical turkey, you can't be a traitor to a political party--it's called switching sides. It's not smart or ethical, but it's hardly "treachery."

Second off, it's not just right wingers who think this way. In my observations, I find lots of people have a reflexive distrust of Sen. Clinton--and that includes a number of reliable Democrats who I think ought to know better. When my own sister, a liberal Clark-Kucinich-yellow dog Democrat of 46 years, tells me she just can't stomach listening to Clinton, I have to wonder how many other votes we need to win it'll cost us in a close race. That's not me mimicking RW talking points. That's me exercising my judgment.

I'm convinced that here at DU the batterd phrase RW talking points has become shorthand for "arguments I happen to disagree with."

[robbedvoter]

22. "divisive" - codespeak for "we don't like her" "We" being the other side who has the MSM

[OzarkDem]

26. Right out of the GOP playbook

Anyone stop to think about that?

[theHandpuppet]

27. Evidently not

And they're being played like your proverbial fiddle.

[NJmaverick]

29. Isn't this post, like when the Republican accused Dems

of being un-patriotic because they didn't support George Bush? Isn't it the same as when the Republicans attacked Dems for demanding George Bush uphold the constitution (by saying they supported terrorists? Wow there is a lot of George Bush in the Hillary campaign.

[DemGa]

40. No, it's not at all

There's a huge difference between some Republicans not supporting Bush, and a Democrat using perceptions created by the right-wing hate machine against a fellow Democrat.

[NJmaverick]

48. it's different situations, but the tactic is the same

Instead of addressing the issue raised, attack the person raising the issue.

[cottonseed]

32. I've paid no heed to talking points - I just think Obama is a better candidate.

You're arguing with hyperactive DU posters, not the majority of Americans.

[Laurab]

33. It's not right wing talk - it's fact.

I've seen lots of RW talk on here, unfortunately, toward both candidates, but that particular thing isn't RW talk - it's fact. Hillary IS divisive. She has been since her days in the White House - and probably unfairly, but it's fact. We cannot afford to choose a candidate with negatives as high as she has, IF we want to win the GE. Personally, I want a dem to win the GE - we can't afford to take a chance this time - it's way too important.

[Jacobin]

38. I love the smell of Hillary desperation in the morning

:nopity:

[EffieBlack]

43. A agree

It's very interesting that people attack her, call her names, accuse her of all manner of evil and then say that SHE's divisive.

[zulchzulu]

45. This attempt at ignoring the obvious and trying to reverse it is brought to you by...

water
it's...wet...

[DemGa]

46. Fine, I take it you agree...nt

[bigtree]

49. You got that just right

too much piggybacking on republican attacks . . . old ones, too, that most Democrats fought off years ago.

[Armstead]

50. Fer Chissake! Criticism of Clinton does NOT equal GOP talking point

This is sooooo tiresome.

[DemGa]

51. Obama uses the "polarization" caused by the right-wing

to his advantage -- and thereby validates right-wing attacks. THAT IS using right-wing attacks/talking points.