Honest question for both camps.

[ronnykmarshall]

I cleaned up my ignore list today. Basically cleared it. Now I know why I had it in the first place. But I digress.

I'll admit, that at this point it doesn't look good for my candidate. And that really depresses me. My mom has relied on me to be the cheerleader when things have been down with Hillary. I'm running out of happy things to tell her.

The more shit I read here, the more I'm turned off. Turned off by the complete bitterness and shitty attacks from both side.

I can see why some Obama supporters wouldn't give a flying fuck about Hillary based on what is said here. I can understand that. I'm at the point where I don't give a flying fuck about Obama based on his most vocal supporters here. A big chunk are vile.

So here's my questions.

After the primary ........

[Drunken Irishman]

1. Hey, I don't think I'm an asshole.

Just an ass. ;)

[LakeSamish706]

2. Yeah the asshole part was a bit much, but the bottom line is we are Democrats...

and the ultimate goal is to take back the White House in November, beyond all else.

[babylonsister]

3. You stay right here, ronnykmarshall, I don't care who you support!

I don't have to like your choice, you don't have to like mine, but we can remain civil, and will continue to do so hopefully long after the primary.

[ronnykmarshall]

19. Thank you Sis!

:yourock:

[rateyes]

4. I vote "present."

:evilgrin:

[NightWatcher]

5. this is Democratic Underground not Obama or Hillary Underground

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

6. We Have Two Awesome Candidates That Would Each Make An Awesome President. Whip McCain's Ass!!!

[Orsino]

14. Neither is awesome, but either will defeat McCain handily.

That gets at least a faint smile from me. That either will make history in so doing pleases me more.

Then will come the hard realization a year from now that our Democratic president and larger Democratic congressional majorities aren't doing much for America, after all. That's what I'm afraid of--that all our hard work to elect folks who will enable us to do the really hard work will come to little or nothing. That the war will still be dragging on. That the progressive ideas of Kucinich and Edwards will have been completely muzzled. That universal health care will manifest as mandatory servitude to the insurance companies who have preyed on us for so long. That we will remain in bondage to the oil companies, and be fed an ever-narrowing diet of MSM propaganda.

:scared:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. Both Of Them Are Awesome, And Both Will Make Great Presidents.

Your turn...

[Orsino]

16. Well, not at the same time.

But I can hope that you're right, even if that hope is a faint one.

[rug]

7. Where is the Retreat to the Lounge option?

[XemaSab]

8. w00t

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wmcxqsO8rY

[ronnykmarshall]

20. I love that song.

One of my fave Stones tune.

Keith Urban and Alisha Keyes tore it UP at Live Earth singing that.

Both of them are very easy on the eyes.

[Iktomiwicasa]

9. Obama supporter here

While under no conditions will I want to see McLame in the Whitehouse, my possible vote for Hillary will depend upon what I hear about her plans WRT native rights. So far, what I've heard from her, while positive sounding, appears to be the usual "throw the indians a bone" we are used to hearing. She needs to flesh out her position more to get my vote. With that said, I selected choice #3.

[ruggerson]

10. I was out campaigning, I missed this vote

n/t

[RL3AO]

11. If HRC gets the nom, I will vote for her

but I won't donate or campaign for her.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

12. The WORST case scenario is that one of them will

still be a US Senator.

Tears anyone?

It's a win-win.

[calico1]

13. I honestly don't know yet.

But I do agree you should have included the "retreat to the lounge" option.

[Bongo Prophet]

17. I have never always been pleasant to you, and hope you stay

I don't go for the foodfights, and am working with others - in both camps, with some success - to raise the dialog, especially the name calling and more outrageous escalation and outrage contests. Those changes are starting to take hold, and each of us doing our part in that helps build that trend.

Our few exchanges include me complimenting you on your humor, and that was heartfelt.
No matter the final, with me it's all about keeping an upbeat and cohesive base to kick the neocons' asses in November.
NOTHING trumps that.

:grouphug:

[ronnykmarshall]

18. Thanks Bongo!

[Staples]

22. I will not vote for Hillary.

If Obama loses, I will be voting for John McCain.

If Obama was Hillary's running mate...then I MIGHT consider voting for her.

[ronnykmarshall]

28. Enjoy your BRIEF stay.

[Hoof Hearted]

31. If you plan to vote for McCain you're on the wrong effin' forum and should reconsider coming here

We don't promote Republicans here. Ever.

[Bongo Prophet]

25. Hey, I just realized i said "never always" -- that's just how we talk hear in texas.

did I mean always never?
I mean never, ever could I be jerky to ya.
I will be glad when you go back to the Steph avatar.
Funny how those avatars start to be associated with the posters, like maddiejoan's amelie.
another of my fave Hillary folk.

Oh no, I like people in each camp! Heresy!
Seeya ronnie

[Hill_YesWeWill]

21. I voted for the last one, I havent been one of those assholes myself

but I really liked the sentiment!

[TheDonkey]

23. Will need those "sHillbots" and "hillbots" standing with us

I used to use names like Hillbots and sHillbots but no longer after many of her supporters and probably Freeps started that "cult" meme. It has gone out of control and people need to show more respect. It used to be ironic or sarcastic but now people are taking things personal so I will not use hurtful names either to blanket Hillary supporters. We'll all have to come together to beat the republican filth waiting for us.

The SUPREME COURT is on the line. The future of the world. Heavy stuff.

[Joe the Revelator]

24. I don't see a need to apologize, or to be apologized to....but we do need to get together and whip

some McCain ass. The sooner the better.

[ronnykmarshall]

34. Yeah whatever ...

:eyes:

[Joe the Revelator]

36. So really you didn't want to talk about uniting...

you wanted to roll your eyes and stick out your tongue. I understand now.

[ronnykmarshall]

41. Oh please

Take a look at the shit you posted tonight.

There are good people in here that support there candidate with class. You just subtract the "cl".

[terrya]

26. No way. If you leave, I leave.

It doesn't look good for her right now. But, it's not over yet.

And...if Obama is the nominee...then we kick John McCain's old, cranky, Bush loving, warmongering ass.

[ronnykmarshall]

35. That's right.

Just right now it hurts, bad!

[terrya]

39. Yeah...I hear ya.

I'm logging off and going to bed.

[THUNDER HANDS]

27. I always said I'd vote for Hillary if she won

I don't dislike her, I think she'll be an awesome senator if she devotes her career to it.

I just want my candidate to win.

[Arugula Latte]

29. I'm going to try to be less of an ass on this board.

Sometimes I get fired up and spout off.

I know all too well what it feels to be on the losing side. It feels like someone kicked you, hard, in the gut. Like you can't breathe. Not a good feeling.

I don't think either side is evil, nor do I think either candidate is evil. They both have their pros and cons; we fall on either side depending on the perceived weight of the specific issues and qualities that we hold near and dear in a candidate.

[Eurobabe]

30. Maybe you need to get off DU for awhile

and get some perspective. Seriously, this place has been poison lately. I will vote for whomever gets the nom.

We need to defeat McCain. He is the enemy. Think carefully.

[ronnykmarshall]

38. I hear ya.

[tammywammy]

32. You know, there are some pretty cool Obama supporters here too...

:hi:

I don't let DU get to me. I like it here, I love reading and posting and think I have a few "friends," but in the real world, I don't base my life or thoughts on what's said on here.

I don't particularly like Clinton, but it's not hatred or disgust. I'd never stoop to use right wing attacks on her. I don't like it when I read Obama supporters being that way towards her. And all this goes vice versa as well. When I see shit like that, I speak up. I told a very vocal Obama supporter on here the other day that her attack on Clinton (and mostly her supporters on here) was pathetic and mean. ;)

BTW, once the nominee is settled, we'll all rally to kick some old McCain ass.

[ronnykmarshall]

37. YOU are one of the reasons that I keep going.

You have always been great.

This election is VERY emotional for me and my mom. We both have said that we have never in our lives wanted someone to win as much as we do with Hillary.

[tammywammy]

40. Well, on days that you're down

I'd stay the hell away from GD: P. LOL You know that some people will be here gloating or taunting or being flat out nasty. It never fails. One good thing, that the cleaning up today did remove the most prolific spammers. Woo hoo. :)

If the roles were reversed, I'd be very down too. I really want Obama to win. I really think he's by far the best candidate out there. And I know you feel the same about Hillary. :)

Okay, here we go

This is GD: P


This is the real world




:)

[NoBorders]

33. First, don't count out Hil; Second, some threads are worse than others

Some threads are obvious flamebait, over the top, lame threads. Just don't go into those. Some people seem to get off on that, let 'em have their bashing threads.

Second, as an Obama supporter, I feel things are still pretty iffy for him given OH and TX, and PA. She could make a major comeback there.