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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:43 PM
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Another Major Clinton Surrogate Plays Race Card (Surely Another Loose Cannon)
Rendell: Race factor could hurt Obama

Gov. Ed Rendell, one of Hillary Rodham Clinton's most visible supporters, said some white Pennsylvanians are likely to vote against her rival Barack Obama because he is black.

"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," Rendell told the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in remarks that appeared in Tuesday's paper.

Several figures in Clinton's campaign, including her husband, the former president, have been criticized in recent weeks for raising Obama's race. In response, Bill Clinton has said he will stick to promoting his wife, rather than defending her.

Later Tuesday, Rendell's spokesman said the governor did not mean to offend anyone.

"He was simply making an observation about the unfortunate nature of some parts of American society," said spokesman Chuck Ardo. "He wasn't being critical, he wasn't making accusations, but just being realistic."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080212/ap_on_el_pr/rendell_racial_politics;_ylt=AijABJO1qoRrXOa.HShFE_lWr7sF
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:44 PM
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1. Why do Clinton surrogates love racial identity politics so much?
:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:46 PM
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5. Sirota wrote a great article about how this is a warning for Obama not to bring up class
usually a reaction but that is the purpose of it.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:55 PM
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17. I believe it all started with Michelle.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:32 PM
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32. ...or the Easter Bunny?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:38 PM
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34. Yeah, that whole "being black" thing is really annoying
Good on the Clintons for calling them on it.



Yes, :sarcasm:

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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:41 PM
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35. I know shame on Clinton folks. Only all the MSM are allowed along with
Obama and his supporters, and all of the internet blogs, and every one EXCEPT Clinton folks.


God is watching.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:45 PM
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2. Hmm.
Don't nominate Obama because "some folks say" they wouldn't vote for a black man.

I've heard that here on several occasions.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:45 PM
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3. He wasn't being "realistic," he was being an asshole.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:55 PM
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16. And slapping his entire state in the face while doing it.
:grr:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:45 PM
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4. Sorry, but a candid comment is not racism...what he's saying is probably
true...he probably should not have said it where it could have gotten out to the press, but every time someone makes a comment about race and people here (and Kos and Americablog) start screaming racism, it sets race relations back because we can't have a serious dicsussion about it.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:49 PM
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8. He's the govenor of the freakin' state. What a bone-headed thing to say. I'm sure it's a gift
to Obama though. :rofl: Kiss PA good-bye.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:51 PM
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12. Well, he said what's on a lot of people's minds...I seriously wonder
if this country is ready...I also wonder if we're ready for a female president...only time will tell. He should have kept his mouth shut, but I think this discussion needs to take place.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:36 PM
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33. This discussion is taking place in Virginia NOW. Results: Obama
wins with white voters....end of discussion.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:49 PM
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10. If Obama Is Leading Among White Males, I'd Say That Goes Beyond "Candid"
Clinton is only ahead with White women, Latinos and Asians. White men have given Obama the thumbs up in contest after contest in every region of the country. I'd say this was an attempt to divide and dispirit voters, nothing more and probably something less.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:52 PM
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14. Well, I can't judge his motive...but it is a serious question..come on,
after years of segregation and bigotry, is everything going to change overnight?
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:55 PM
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Motives Aside, White Males Have Chosen Obama Repeatedly
I'd say that changes the context of what he is saying, just like suggesting that Obama won South Carolina just like Jesse Jackson (ignoring that Obama won Iowa and was poised to win many states on Super Tuesday).

That goes beyond asking an "idle" question to a room full of reporters.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:07 PM
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22. Well, they were Dem and Independent white males...
...in the GE it will be a whole nother ballgame...it really is something people need to be prepared for.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:11 PM
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23. If We Win Dem and Independent White Males, We Will Be in Great Shape
Add the minority vote and women (traditionally favor Dems), and all McCain has left is the cranky hick vote. I'll take that it faster than you can say "swing state"!
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:19 PM
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28. I always see in the last few elections that women go for the Dem
and men for the Repuke...the only exception being Bill Clinton in 1996....he got both. I just wonder how that breaks down...if Dem males cross over and Repuke females cross over. I always hear from Repuke women how disappointed they are on their nominee's stand on choice, yet when push comes to shove, they vote Repuke.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:20 PM
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30. The point is really, how dare he make comments about Obama's
electibility when he has no idea that Clinton as a female will be received any differently. That's really where racism creeps in for me. But I'm not gonna accuse him of that. I don't believe he is. But I will gladly accept the gift he just gave Team Obama. Now Hillary only has TWO states to pin her hopes on.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:48 PM
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37. This "serious question" has been being answered.
In primary after primary, caucus after caucus. Overwhelming voting stations with new voters, winning the 11 (I think), last primaries and caucuses, by a huge margin in most cases. I don't think we can get a clearer answer than that.

If someone has been a bigot, maybe that's not going to change, but that doesn't seem to be a major problem for Obama. Bigots and idiots will always be around, but it's doubtful all that many of them vote for dems anyway. You seem quite concerned about this - I think the voters have answered it quite loudly.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:59 PM
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39. Rendell's motive is that he wants the VP slot from Clinton.
nt.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:15 PM
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24. Exactly. Clinton has been winning with white men all along. I don't care to
judge Rendell's comments one way or the other. But I do thank him very much on behalf of Barack. :evilgrin:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:48 PM
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6. Rendell is a real piece of work
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_464775.html

How else could one interpret these Rendell remarks:

"Rick Santorum has proven that he gets the job done. Time and time again he has come through," Mr. Rendell said in an interview conducted by the Trib's Salena Zito for a July 31 Weekly Standard magazine commentary on the Santorum-Casey race.

There is a reason the Democratic party is where it is today, it is because of people like Rendell

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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:48 PM
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7. First Bob Kerrey and now Rendell
I used to think both were good guys but now I'm having second thoughts.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:18 PM
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27. Hahaa Bob Kerrey couldn't carry his state for Hillary
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:49 PM
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9. sorry but you have put up a dupe
its bad enough when the CLinton supporters post the same thing a hundred times.

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:56 PM
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19. Please give the other links
in case I haven't ranted on them and rec'd them up yet.
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yeswecan08 Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:50 PM
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11. The only thing critics can complain about Obama is his dark skin - not his fault
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:52 PM
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13. I Think Rendell Meant to Say Clinton Is a Wonderful Candidate
But it came out, "Did you guys notice how, I don't know, BLACK Obama is?"
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:18 PM
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26. LOL! Funny! nt
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:54 PM
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15. I can only hope for MASSIVE blowback against Fast Eddie over this
I am pissed.

My PA Obama meeting was cancelled tonight (ice storm) so I sent them all this link.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:55 PM
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18. If someone on the Obama camp said this about women (which may be true in the GE) her people go nuts
but not that fast eddie and other dirtbags in the hillary campaign are trying to divide the party and bring racism into it they are being praised for "candid comments"
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:56 PM
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20. Republicans nominated a BLACK man for governor of PA very recently btw too
how soon Rendell forgets that little factoid.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:17 PM
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25. Yep!!! They'd want somebody FIRED or something...
:sarcasm:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:57 PM
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21. Creative editing by an Obamaton.
"I believe, looking at the returns in my election, that had Lynn Swann been the identical candidate that he was — well-spoken, charismatic, good-looking — but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so," he said. "And that (attitude) exists. But on the other hand, that is counterbalanced by Obama's ability to bring new voters into the electoral pool."

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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:20 PM
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29. Rendell is such a Philly jagoff sometimes
At times, I think he belongs in the 700 Level beating up Dallas fans instead of running a state.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:23 PM
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31. Frank Rich ain't just whistling Dixie in Sunday's NYT:
These ongoing examples of stealthy racial innuendo by the Clinton campaign are vicious and deplorable.


Next Up for the Democrats: Civil War

Frank Rich
February 10, 2008


.....

Though Tuesday was largely a draw in popular votes and delegates, every other indicator, from the candidates’ real and virtual crowds to hard cash, points to a steadily widening Obama-Clinton gap. The Clinton campaign might be an imploding Potemkin village itself were it not for the fungible profits from Bill Clinton’s murky post-presidency business deals. (The Clintons, unlike Mr. Obama, have not released their income-tax returns.)
The campaign’s other most potent form of currency remains its thick deck of race cards. This was all too apparent in the Hallmark show. In its carefully calibrated cross section of geographically and demographically diverse cast members — young, old, one gay man, one vet, two union members — African-Americans were reduced to also-rans. One black woman, the former TV correspondent Carole Simpson, was given the servile role of the meeting’s nominal moderator, Ed McMahon to Mrs. Clinton’s top banana.

.....

The Clinton camp does not leave such matters to chance. This decision was a cold, political cost-benefit calculus. In October, seven months after the two candidates’ dueling church perorations in Selma, USA Today found Hillary Clinton leading Mr. Obama among African-American Democrats by a margin of 62 percent to 34 percent. But once black voters met Mr. Obama and started to gravitate toward him, Bill Clinton and the campaign’s other surrogates stopped caring about what African-Americans thought. In an effort to scare off white voters, Mr. Obama was ghettoized as a cocaine user (by the chief Clinton strategist, Mark Penn, among others), “the black candidate” (as Clinton strategists told the Associated Press) and Jesse Jackson redux (by Mr. Clinton himself).

The result? Black America has largely deserted the Clintons. In her California primary victory, Mrs. Clinton drew only 19 percent of the black vote. The campaign saw this coming and so saw no percentage in bestowing precious minutes of prime-time television on African-American queries.
That time went instead to the Hispanic population that was still in play in Super Tuesday’s voting in the West. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa of Los Angeles had a cameo, and one of the satellite meetings was held in the National Hispanic Cultural Center in Albuquerque. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s smart politics, especially since Mr. Obama has been behind the curve in wooing this constituency.

But the wholesale substitution of Hispanics for blacks on the Hallmark show is tainted by a creepy racial back story. Last month a Hispanic pollster employed by the Clinton campaign pitted the two groups against each other by telling The New Yorker that Hispanic voters have “not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.” Mrs. Clinton then seconded the motion by telling Tim Russert in a debate that her pollster was “making a historical statement.”
It wasn’t an accurate statement, historical or otherwise. It was a lie, and a bigoted lie at that, given that it branded Hispanics, a group as heterogeneous as any other, as monolithic racists. As the columnist Gregory Rodriguez pointed out in The Los Angeles Times, all three black members of Congress in that city won in heavily Latino districts; black mayors as various as David Dinkins in New York in the 1980s and Ron Kirk in Dallas in the 1990s received more than 70 percent of the Hispanic vote. The real point of the Clinton campaign’s decision to sow misinformation and racial division, Mr. Rodriguez concluded, was to “undermine one of Obama’s central selling points, that he can build bridges and unite Americans of all types.”

If that was the intent, it didn’t work. Mrs. Clinton did pile up her expected large margin among Latino voters in California. But her tight grip on that electorate is loosening. Mr. Obama, who captured only 26 percent of Hispanic voters in Nevada last month, did better than that in every state on Tuesday, reaching 41 percent in Arizona and 53 percent in Connecticut. Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign’s attempt to drive white voters away from Mr. Obama by playing the race card has backfired. His white vote tally rises every week. ....... The question now is how much more racial friction the Clinton campaign will gin up if its Hispanic support starts to erode in Texas, whose March 4 vote it sees as its latest firewall. Clearly it will stop at little. That’s why you now hear Clinton operatives talk ever more brazenly about trying to reverse party rulings so that they can hijack 366 ghost delegates from Florida and the other rogue primary, Michigan, where Mr. Obama wasn’t even on the ballot. So much for Mrs. Clinton’s assurance on New Hampshire Public Radio last fall that it didn’t matter if she alone kept her name on the Michigan ballot because the vote “is not going to count for anything.”

.....



Another poisoned racial dart from the Clinton camp today:


Rendell: Race factor could hurt Obama, February 12, 2008


HARRISBURG, Pa. - Gov. Ed Rendell, one of Hillary Rodham Clinton's most visible supporters, said some white Pennsylvanians are likely to vote against her rival Barack Obama because he is black.

"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," Rendell told the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in remarks that appeared in Tuesday's paper.

.....

To buttress his point, Rendell cited his 2006 re-election campaign, in which he defeated Republican challenger Lynn Swann, the former Pittsburgh Steelers star, by a margin of more than 60 percent to less than 40 percent.

"I believe, looking at the returns in my election, that had Lynn Swann been the identical candidate that he was — well-spoken, charismatic, good-looking — but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so," he said. "And that (attitude) exists. But on the other hand, that is counterbalanced by Obama's ability to bring new voters into the electoral pool."

.....




These words and behavior are unacceptable in a country that is finally seeing the promise of overcoming our debilitating racial division. And that promise stands before us now, in Barack Obama.


But apparently, this is not desirable for the Clinton campaign's ruthless push to seize the White House.


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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:45 PM
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36. Nice, this worked so well for them in the past
I am beginning to think Camp Clinton would rather start a race war so McCain will win if they can't
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:57 PM
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38. PA GOP conservatives are also anti-semitic; Rendell (Jewish) got elected
in Pennsylvania anyway, didn't he?!?!?!

Fast Eddie is just angling for the VP slot with Clinton and pandering to her: he's already endorsed her.

Pittsburgh and Phillie will carry the state blue in Novemeber, whoever wins the primary, and Rendell damn well knows it.
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