MSNBC reports that 30% of those voting in the VA Dem primary were either Independent or Republican!

[flpoljunkie]

Per Chuck Todd. Awesome!

Obama received 48% of White vote, 90% of Black vote, 55% of White Males, 66% of those under 40, 62% of Independents, 61% of those who makes over $100K, and 58% of those with post graduate degrees.

[TexasObserver]

1. some of them had been told by Republican leaders to vote Hillary

because they want to run against Hillary

[MADem]

4. I think that might not be accurate. NT

[theHandpuppet]

9. Well, I can only tell you what they're reporting

:shrug:

[theHandpuppet]

11. Sorry -- replied to the wrong post.

Oops.

[MADem]

24. Who's "they" and do you have a link? nt

[theHandpuppet]

39. NBC reports 8% of Obama voters were Republicans

I had previously replied to the wrong post -- meant to reply to TexasObserver.

[MADem]

43. I supect those voters will go back to the GOP for the general. Their work is done... NT

[theHandpuppet]

53. Yep. And so will a lot of the "independents".

I do think the Dems will carry Virginia in the fall, but it's Obama the GOP wants to go up against. They've already thrown everything they can at Hillary and know she can take anything they dish out. Wait til they start laying into Obama -- it won't be pretty.

[lachattefolle]

56. I have to agree with you, sad to say, but what do people expect when

states hold open primaries? It gives the other side alot of mischief-making opportunities. I hope the Republicans and Indies are coming out in the fall to support our nominee but I fear that will not be the case.

[Maribelle]

58. I agree. Unlike NH when they abandoned Obama for McCain...

Perhaps McCain was more solid today, and they felt he would win anyway.

[anigbrowl]

66. Uh, right.

On CNN at the moment he is losing to Huckabee by 3 points, and the race is too close for them to call.

[Maribelle]

96. NH was proof they would abandon Obama for McCain.

Perhaps they've made a tactical error today, and thought McCain would do better.

Don't forget the polls in NH before the primary showing McCain was in dire need of help against Romney.

[MADem]

99. They wanted to knock Romney on his ass in NH--or at least knock him back. NT

[theHandpuppet]

5. Huh?

The crossover was from Republicans voting for Obama.

[New Dawn]

19. I'm not surprised at all.

The GOP knows they'd easily beat Clinton, but they are afraid of Obama.

[TexasObserver]

27. There have been reports of Republicans asking for Democratic ballots and saying they'd been sent.

The Republcian game plan was to end their race, so they could send hundreds of thousands of votes in key states to vote for Hillary, in an attempt to give her the nomination. They know what everyone here knows - Hillary is the candidate they can beat, Obama is the one who will beat them.

[MADem]

32. Got any cites for those assertions? nt

[golddigger]

70. You seem well informed about what the other side is doing. Why is that?

[Sebass1271]

72. Can you back that up?

[Olney Blue]

2. It certainly supports Obama's "electability" argument against McCain.

[theHandpuppet]

3. NBC reports that 8% of Obama voters were Republicans

I know some of you consider this good news but I fear it is not.

[burythehatchet]

6. fear kills

[calico1]

14. I agree. n/t

[Political Heretic]

22. Like my parents.

Were republicans for most of their lives - this will be the first election where they vote for a Democrat.

They like Obama best but are voting for whoever the D nominee is.

I'll tell you what's bad - fear and stereotyping.

[Bucky]

28. I dunno. If 30% were cross overs and only 8% ended up for Obama, then...

how many ended up voting FOR Clinton? Oh shit, now I gotta do Algebra.

[theHandpuppet]

41. Duh...

30% of Obama's voters were NOT Democrats. 8% identified as Republicans and the remaining 22% identifed either as independents or other (which would include any other party affiliation). They were NOT Clinton votes. Sheesh.

[Maribelle]

55. The logic of Obama supporters is stuning, now isn't it? Like talking to a brick wall.

I take that back, some brick walls manifest even more logic.

[MADem]

45. That thirty percent is GOP AND independents. That eight percent is just GOP.

Back to the drawing board....don't break that pencil lead, now.

[flpoljunkie]

94. Obama received 66% of the Independent vote.

[MADem]

29. That's a bit .... interesting. I suspect they won't stay with the Dem in the general. NT

[DURHAM D]

7. Cool - and the Super Delegates better not vote because

the Democratic Party must protect the interests of those Repubs and Independents that are voting in our Democratic primaries.

That is what I heard of Randi Rhodes today - An Insane Woman.

[cooolandrew]

8. Virginia has been hit hard by Republican policy. I think GOPers get it down there now.

[robbedvoter]

10. And that's a good thing - how?

They cross lines to vote against Hillary. In the general, they vote GOP.

[theHandpuppet]

15. Yep.

But they're not listening, robbedvoter.

[calico1]

34. No, they don't. They actually think that

all of these Republicans and Independents are going to vote for Obama in Nov. But then, some of them also think Obama will win Nebraska, Utah and Idaho in the GE.

:crazy:

[boston bean]

49. I would like some of what they are smokin. There is something very very

troubling going on.

[theboss]

38. When I voted at lunch, I as 272 for the Dems versus 28 for the Repubs

Granted, this was in the heart of Fairfax County..but still....

[LostinVA]

62. I was just talking to the Ex in Virginia

Five of her Republican coworkers voted Obama today -- for that very reason.

[Sebass1271]

64. no way!

my prediction is coming true.. oh Lord.. why are these people allowed to this? Why can rpeublicans vote in our primary? :mad:

[Straight Shooter]

81. I just took a peek at the site with all the morans ...

They have their version of a banner right on their Home Page, so no one can miss it:

"Primary voters: Vote against McCain! Vote for deadlock! Vote anyone but McCain."

How much influence do they have, anyway? Does anyone know? Or are they just dogs howling in a windstorm? One of their members (Buckhead?) took down Dan Rather, but he had the benefit of Roger Stone's and Rove's direct involvement.

They seem pleased with Obama winning. Hard to tell from their posts if they're more happy about Huckabee squeezing McCain, or about Hillary getting beaten. Some of them expressing great dismay at the prospect of a President Huckabee. Seems like that's something we can all relate to.

If the media can sell them on a disaster like bush, I think the media will be able to sell them on McCain in the GE, and they'll vote their party then.

(I posted this on another thread but this thread seems to have the most traction on this subject.)

[Sebass1271]

100. where do you see this?

where do you see freepers? :shrug:
link please....

[JeanGrey]

78. Er, No. Hillary would be far easier to beat than Barack.

They are voting for him because they like him.

[Coexist]

12. Obama won double digits among white men, 48% of white vote overall

wow.

[yeswecan08]

13. 100-30 = 70% were Democrats

[BootinUp]

16. Just trying to defeat Clinton

Who gives a flying fleep what they think. They will vote Repuke in the GE.

[Sebass1271]

17. i dont' know if i should be happy

or weary of having republicans voting for one of our candidates...
please someone tell me something so i can calm down...:grr: :eyes:

[Bucky]

23. as below, so here...

I heard some guy from Virginia on a RW call in show last night saying he was gonna cross over and vote for Clinton in the Dem primary b/c he thought Obama would be harder for his side to beat in the general. I think it's entirely possible that, while some Republicans were crossing over to vote for Clinton because they think Obama is the stronger candidate, other Republicans were crossing over to vote for Obama because they think Clinton is the stronger candidate.

Then we have to factor in all the Republicans who might be voting for Obama because they really are responding to his message of change. Plus we can't dismiss all the Repulicans crossing over to vote for Clinton because Rush and Ann Coulter have endorsed her in their pathetic delusions that McCain and Huckabee aren't "real" conservatives.

So this 30% surge-in could be good for Clinton or bad for Clinton or good for Obama or bad for Obama--or the lot of 'em could have just canceled each other out, leaving it only a contest decided by the Democrats.

[Sebass1271]

33. I HAVE ONE QUESTION

CAN REPUBLICANS VOTE FOR THEIR CANDIDATE AND THEN VOTE FOR ONE OF OURS IN VIRGINA?

I don't know the answer to this. But this republican crossign over to vote for our candidate has me really worry.. They will vote for whomever their candidate in the GE. I just don't trust them

And who in hell decided that Virginia should have open primaries? In my State of Florida, we don't have that, and i believe is unfair.

[boston bean]

47. This is why they cannot call VA in the repug race, not enough of them McCain voters

voted in their own damn primary.

They decided to screw with ours.

[calico1]

52. That's why I hate open primaries.

You really don't know what people's intentions are.

[K Gardner]

18. He won Independents 62%; Under 40 = 66%

[Bucky]

20. Actually that may not have been a good thing

I heard some guy from Virginia on a RW call in show saying he was gonna cross over and vote for Clinton in the Dem primary b/c he thought Obama would be harder for his side to beat in the general. I think it's entirely possible that, while some Republicans were crossing over to vote for Clinton because they think Obama is the stronger candidate, other Republicans were crossing over to vote for Obama because they think Clinton is the stronger candidate.

Then we have to factor in all the Republicans who might be voting for Obama because they really are responding to his message of change. Plus we can't dismiss all the Repulicans crossing over to vote for Clinton because Rush and Ann Coulter have endorsed her in their pathetic delusions that McCain and Huckabee aren't "real" conservatives.

So this 30% surge-in could be good for Clinton or bad for Clinton or good for Obama or bad for Obama--or the lot of 'em could have just canceled each other out, leaving it only a contest decided by the Democrata.

[BootinUp]

25. I guarantee you :)

they were primarily anti-Clinton.

Further I don't consider VA to be winnable for us in the Presidential contest. When was the last itme we won it?

[Bucky]

75. There was an 8% gap in 2000 and 04, but only a 2% gap in '96

In 1996 Clinton beat Dole nationally by a 8.5% gap. So it's a rosy scenario for Obama to win VA, but he could certainly put it in play and force the GOP to divert funds & resources to take it over. Plus, keep in mind that the state has been trending bluer in the past few years. A win is unlikely, but not out of the question.

[Cha]

21. There's a lot of disinfranchised republicans

out there since gw bush took on the decider role. Congratulations to Obama for winning Virginia, so handily! :)

[boston bean]

71. Never, these people are not disenfranchised, they know how to play politics

they know how to keep the power, us dems, can't keep our shoes tied.

[Recursion]

73. 2006 :)

I seem to recall Messrs Kain and Webb doing quite well statewide

[Sebass1271]

76. uhumm... i have never met a disinfranchansied repuke

today, i was listening to Hannity, while Randhy was on commercial.. guess what? Hannity the one who last week was telling all repukes how liberal and unconservative McCrazy was, he was "willing" to listen to McCrazy today.. Pretty much he said he would rather have McCrazy in office than to vote for Obama and/or Hillary..

Do you see the point? these people play their games but always, ALWAYS stick to their party.. It's Power. These lying bastards.. are so freaking loyal..

[Political Heretic]

26. The biggest news is his receiving 55% of the white male vote from VIRGINIA of all places.

[boston bean]

44. Almost unfathomable, right?

[aquarius dawning]

30. Wow, rich southern Republican white guys are voting for a black ultra-liberal Democrat

That's almost hard to believe.

[LucyParsons]

68. I'm for Obama, but I wouldn't call him "ultra-liberal"

Eugene V. Debs was "ultra-liberal"

;)

[aquarius dawning]

102. here, see for yourself:

http://www.gop.com/News/NewsRead.aspx?GUID=ac0d51ff-b262-47ef-8561-da0c66992ecb

[Recursion]

74. Err.. "ultra-liberal"?

He seems, like Clinton, to be pretty much mainstream

[aquarius dawning]

103. here, see for yourself:

http://www.gop.com/News/NewsRead.aspx?GUID=ac0d51ff-b262-47ef-8561-da0c66992ecb

[BootinUp]

31. I luv it when they fuck with our primary. :crazy: nt

[frazzled]

35. They crossed over for Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, and Jim Webb, too ...

And turned once-red Virginia to almost blue. Why is it not okay when independents or moderate Republicans cross over to vote for a presidential candidate?

[Sebass1271]

37. I just don't trust Republicans

:mad:

[Recursion]

91. I know plenty of Republicans I trust

Friends, family, coworkers, guys from my old platoon... you really think someone is untrustworthy simply because of his or her party registration?

Then again I don't know if "trust" is the issue here; we're the ones who made the rules that said they could vote in our primary if they wanted to. I personally think it says something that they dislike our other candidate so much that they'll forgo a choice in their own party's nomination (and stop somebody that the base seems to really hate) just to keep her from getting our nomination, since that seems to be the narrative most of DU buys into.

[Sebass1271]

101. I have friends too, that are rpeublicans

but i am not referring to those regular folks i am talking about the repubican machinery and the voters who went to vote for Obama because he is the lesser, wicker candidate and tha twill vote for McCrazy in the GE. those crazy bastards...

[boston bean]

36. I have many clients in VA, white males and they all told me they were going

down to the polls today to vote for Obama and would vote for McCain in the GE.

That is the real story tonite folks. But go ahead and and celebrate as we watch the republicans manipulating our primaries for their own benefit.

All the evidence you need is before your eyes in the polling.

Can it be proved 100% of course not, but I think very clear assumptions can be made from the data.

[Sebass1271]

40. Why didn't you tell them off?

i know they are your clients, but have they taken a good look at Obama to dismiss him jut like that and support the almost-dying-Mc-Crazy?

[boston bean]

42. it's the strategy and it's the truth. anyone who wants to be open about it, will see it. nt

[theHandpuppet]

46. You can't tell them, MassDemm -- they won't listen

The GOP is playing them like a fiddle. I'm afraid they are in for a very rude awakening, unfortunately for us all.

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[theHandpuppet]

59. No, that's what THEY think

And if the GOP machine really thinks that, I wonder what they have up their sleeve. If they didn't have a plan they wouldn't being playing it this way. That's what scares me.

And are you callng me a racist? I wouldn't go there if I were you.

[anigbrowl]

79. And your evidence for this is?

Well, where is it? Let's get some evidence of reps being told to vote for Obama. Otherwise this is nothing more than a conspiracy theory fuelled by paranoia.

If the reps are so organized, how come Huckabee is beating McCain in VA (barely, at the moment)?

[theHandpuppet]

89. Sorry... this conversation lost me when I was called a racist.

In fact, I'm seriously wondering if DU is a good place for me to be right now. I've fought long and hard for Dems all my life but I'll not have someone get in my face and call me a racist. Incredible.

Perhaps someone else will be willing to explain this kind of strategy to you in more detail. I lived in Virginia for years and witnessed it firsthand.


Later...

[Sebass1271]

60. I love Obama, i have supported him and voted for him in my

State Primary.. however, I am not sure anymore if he will be capable of ressisting the republican machine in the GE. Wait for him to be called a Muslim, Black, black black, black and thousands of times black..

I know deep in myheart he is qualified to be President, to be my president, i dont know if he is qualified to stand against their evil machine.. Look at what they did to Kerry and Gore..
I am starting to think hillary is the only that could fight back to them.. Obama is too dreamy..
he needs to wake up and talk to me and assure me that he will fight back at every lie, every insult and every swiftboat...

[boston bean]

51. I never thought we could lose the GE, if he gets it I know we are toast. nt

[golddigger]

65. Yep, say hello to President McCain.

[MADem]

48. They want McCain to face the weaker, unvetted candidate.

It is the real story, but no one wants to see the obvious.

[bluedog]

84. they just don't want to see

the total game plan...the republicans are voting Obama because they know he'll lose to McCain.........its simple to figure out.......the repubs will never vote for a Dem in the GE...because of party unity...you know it.I know it.but some people think Obama is a shoo in...think again.....we lose in 08.....

[golddigger]

54. Shhhhh! You are not suppose to tell Obama supporters that.

Let them dream on. The southern red states that Obama has won so far will remain red in the GE.

[JeanGrey]

82. Good! Let them do it! Because Obama will clean up in the

GE. Morons. It's nice to get help.

[PassingFair]

87. Don't spoil their strange little pity party, Jean...

You'll RUIN the pathos!

[Mass]

90. delete - wrong place.

[Raine]

57. Shows he's electable in the GE

TERRIFIC!!! :thumbsup:

[golddigger]

61. Self delete.

[nonconformist]

63. That isn't good news - that's what is going to FUCK US in the GE.

Mark my words.

[boston bean]

69. I'll mark em, I've marked my own similar feelings and words, to no avail. WE ARE FUCKED! nt

[Recursion]

77. Even if you were right, what would you want to do about it now?

Democrats in open-primary states made these rules.

[boston bean]

80. there is nothing that can be done at this point. except wait another 4 years. nt

[anigbrowl]

83. Yes, and freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength...

in the bizarro world of conspiracyland.

I can just see it now, instead of claiming the election was stolen, you're going to spend the next 4 years nursing a conspiracy theory that the nomination was stolen before the election. Who do you think picked Obama to dash our hopes - the trilateral commission, the bilderbergers, or the illuminati?

[boston bean]

86. no, the people we have been fighting the last 7 years, that's who. nt

[aquarius dawning]

104. My own family has done the very same thing to Republicans in the Ohio primaries.

I rememeber my parents changing partys to fuck things up for the Republicans way back when. They then voted for the Dem in the generalelection. This shit really goes on. believe it or not. if we're wrong, we're wrong and we'll eat crow. fact is though, this shit really goes on.

[LucyParsons]

67. That's partly so they can vote for the perceived "weaker" Dem candidate

because they know McCain is their nominee, and/or perhaps because their local races are decided in the Democratic primary (as they often are here in Texas)?

My dad, a typical white East Texan Southerner, will enthusiastically vote for Hillary because he thinks she'll lose. Keep in mind, though, his spoiler plan backfired in 1992, when he voted for Bill Clinton. ;)

[calteacherguy]

85. Yes!!!!!!!!

WE CAN!

:woohoo:

[WinkyDink]

88. This isn't the GE. I wouldn't be too sanguine over this development.

Wait until Pennsy, where we don't allow cross-voting.

[goldcanyonaz]

95. Arizona doesn't allow cross voting either.

[goldcanyonaz]

92. More great news for McCain.

[HeraldSquare212]

93. If Republicans could motivate enough voters to mess with our primary,

I don't think they would worry about who they had to face in the GE. I think some people have been so traumatized by Karl Rove they see him under every rock.

[Bluebear]

97. "Awesome"??? Republicans deciding OUR nominee?

[goldcanyonaz]

98. Yep, all fired up for the Repubicans to hold our hands in November singing Kumbaya.

We're fucked!