Barack wins another state we don't have a shot at.

[BootinUp]

woooooooooooooohooooooooooo!

[XemaSab]

1. Maryland?

:shrug:

[BootinUp]

VA

[Hippo_Tron]

84. Democrats are absolutely going to be competative in Virginia this time...

We may not win there unless we win by a big margin, but we are going to make the GOP fight for Virginia.

[TheWraith]

87. Don't be a fool. Virginia is actually a very likely pickup. But hey, keep sticking to the old map.

After all, if we keep only trying to win with the Blue states, eventually that's gonna work, right? Right?

[mopinko]

88. tell that to kaine and webb.

:wtf:

[CalGator]

105. and soon-to-be Sen. Warner/ nt

[Faygo Kid]

27. Not till they call it at 8. But this is Obama country.

Don't worry, it will be a blowout. Virginia is very, very big.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Jim Webb, Mark Warner, Tim Kaine--we don't have a shot at VA???

[Bucky]

34. Okay senators, sure, and some white guys. But would VA ever elect a black man for executive office?

I totally gotcha there!!



<== and shut up, you!

[karynnj]

55. You mean like ex-Governor Wilder?

of VA? who is black.

[yellowcanine]

69. Heh. That was way too easy. I read the other post and said, "wait a minute"

[babylonsister]

70. He was interviewed earlier on MSNBC; he rocked, and it was nice

to see him. And he's an Obama supporter.

[Bucky]

74. Heh. I assume you noticed the photo in my post, right?

If not, then I'm laughing at you, not with you.

[karynnj]

78. No I thought that was him and why you phased it like that

I was trying to play on your joke - but didn't do a good job

[Schema Thing]

3. Tell me again what party Jim Webb is in?

[Beaverhausen]

13. no kidding! What was with his vote today?

Very disappointed in him.

[Occam Bandage]

17. LOL. Great comeback.

[DrFunkenstein]

32. That's Why Virginia Elected a Dem

They're not going to go for someone with a Massachusetts voting record. Instead of playing "purge the impure," we should get a grip on the local political realities of individual Party members.

[Eric J in MN]

59. The people of Virginia weren't clamoring for retroactive immunity

...for phone companies.

I don't know if Jim Webb cast that vote because of donations from phone company lobbyists or if he just agrees with retroactive immunity philosophically, but it wasn't a vote he had to cast to stay in office.

[Beaverhausen]

33. You do know Webb voted to give the phone companies immunity, right?

did I miss something since? Hey- I like Webb and was shocked to hear his vote.

[Occam Bandage]

40. Yeah, I do. That's why I thought it was a snappy line.

[beachmom]

85. You were "shocked"? Webb voted for the FISA bill in August.

There was nothing shocking about his vote. I don't agree with it, but you can't expect him to have a 97% liberal rating.

[K Gardner]

4. Might wanna look at the exit polls before you embarass yourself. He won Republican and Independent

voters and white men in large margins. Really.. try to act like a grown up.

[BootinUp]

7. pfffft!@

[Maribelle]

76. Democrats should be selecting the Democratic nominee

1.6 million democrats in Florida find Obama supporters bragging that republican and independents voices mean so much more to Obama supporters than they do is crushing.

[Auntie Bush]

108. I hope those democrats start seeing the light soon and realize he

has little experience, loves Republicans, has no foreign policy experience...and he's going to beat McCain? Tell me about it!

I know so many people who will vote for Hillary but if she's not our nominee...they will gladly vote for the Maverick. Say hello to President McCain!

I can only hope some of those swooning young folk will see the light.

[LSparkle]

5. What do you mean we don't have a shot?

VA governor (Tim Kaine) is a Dem, as is Jim Webb. If anything, it's a purple state and could turn blue.

[DUyellow]

30. This person has no idea what he/she is talking about, really... No idea, VA is in play!

[jenmito]

6. We DO have a shot at winning VA with Obama as our nominee. n/t

[yeswecan08]

8. It's inevitable that VA will go Democratic (OBAMA) in November

[9119495]

9. Kaine, Warner, Webb...

That kind of talk has no place here, sir.

It is IN the bag...even for Hillary.

[Johnny__Motown]

10. Hillary doesn't have a shot at... .... But WE do

[zonkers]

23. welcome to the boards, JM.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. Bullshit, VA was a swing state in '04 and should go Blue in '08

I lived and worked in VA politics until last year. VA is about to be a dependable blue state.

[ButterflyBlood]

12. Hmm, Tim Kaine, Mark Warner and Jim Webb might disagree

n/t

[The River]

14. BullSh*t

We elected Jim Webb 06
We're going to elect Mark Warner to the Senate.
and for the first time in40 some years
Virginia will go Blue.

[Occam Bandage]

15. HRC or BHO, we *are* winning VA this year.

[aquarius dawning]

77. It will be the first time in 40 years and the third time in 60 years.

Sure, that sounds reasonable.

[Inspired]

16. You could be very wrong. Look at the numbers. n/t

[Exultant Democracy]

18. Don't be PROUD2B posting this since it is obvious don't know much about electoral politics.

VA might just be a blue state come next year we already have the governors mansion and a senate seat there.

[thepurpose]

19. Hillary. Is that you?

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

Hillary banking on Texas, another state we don't have a shot at.

:think:

[high density]

20. You do realize we need to take some states we "don't have a shot at"

to win in November, right? We can't have a replay of what Kerry did.

[yellowcanine]

73. No kidding - If we win only "blue states" we lose. Virginia is one we should get.

In fact I would say if we can't get VA this year we probably will lose. Ohio is the other one...

[sandnsea]

21. Like Texas? AZ, NV, OK???

If you don't want red states, we'll take all of them!!!

[katty]

22. St.Obama, winning VA - or too close to call - whatever

[bagimin]

24. Think he was being sarcastic.

and so it goes

[Aptastik]

25. I made a thread about this last week, Mark Warner is the key

With him on the ticket, it will turn out a lot of SW VA voting on the Democratic ticket. Someone with crossover appeal, like Obama, can clean up in an area like that, plus energizing the base in NoVa and Va Beach will put him over the top, even if on the coattails of Warner.

Please don't talk about states you know nothing about.

[fujiyama]

36. Warner is running for Senate

and I don't think Webb will be chosen simply because he hasn't been in the senate very long...but considering the state has a Dem governor and he has military and bipartisan appeal, Webb could be an interesting pick...

What about Kaine? I heard Obama is close to him. I've heard it floated as a possibility...

This is getting exciting. My friend is in VA and says there's tons of election coverage and it sounds like the place is getting increasingly blue. Granted, he lives near DC which is the liberal part of the state....

[Aptastik]

46. My post wasn't clear,

I meant with Warner on ticket running for the Senate. I've heard Kaine floated around too. I worked on his 2005 campaign, he's an awesome guy. What are the rules for replacing Governors in Virginia?

[DrFunkenstein]

26. I'll Say It Again: Obama-Webb 2008, Baby!!!

Fired up!!

[DUyellow]

28. you have no idea what you are talking about if you think VA is not in play.

[mtnsnake]

29. No kidding. We have a better chance of winning Texas than we do anything in the Bible Belt

It's too funny watching the Obamaites get all cocky and arrogant and thinking how they've practically got this thing all wrapped up. Man are they in for a shocker soon. lol

[Meldread]

You're embarrassing yourself. I'm from Virginia.

We have a Democratic Governor. We have one Democratic Senator, who is about to be joined by our former Democratic Governor - Mark Warner - giving us two Democratic Senators. John Kerry won 45% of the vote in Virginia in 2004. Our state was the first state in the entire country to have an elected African American Governor - who was, by the way, a Democrat.

Our state is a purple state that WILL swing toward Obama in the General Election if he campaigns here.

You look like an idiot.

[Hawaii Hiker]

37. I've heard crazier things from anti-Obama people, some have

said Barack Obama won't win CA or NY, which is CRAZY!!.....

Howard Stern would probably win NY, & Paris Hilton could win CA..

There is NO chance that CA & NY will be in play, regardless of who it is...Those 2 states along with several others are solid blue....

[Meldread]

57. Exactly.

All signs are pointing to an Obama blow out against John McCain in a general election. If you come out to vote in a Primary, you are highly likely to come out and vote for the same candidate in the General. Obama has brought in an unprecedented number of new voters in Virginia. We will need to win the purple states - such as Virginia - in the General Election. If Al Gore had carried Virginia in 2000 would have become President. The same goes for Kerry.

Both Obama and Hillary can win the standard Democratic strongholds - New York, California, Mass, New Jersey, those are all ours in the General. It's the purple states that matter. Obama even has the ability to flip a few red states - Georgia comes to mind. A state, I believe Bill Clinton won in 1992.

[beachmom]

95. No, not Georgia. It has realigned and become crazy right wing

since the '90s. Virginia is a better bet.

[madrchsod]

38. it`s amazing when people tell you all about a state

that you live in and they do not. everyone outside illinois knows everything about my state but me and others from our state...

by the way i just heard the same thing you, more or less said, on npr just a few minutes ago

[theboss]

31. Kaine, Webb, and maybe Warner

Dems could control all three of the top state-wide offices after '08.

Virginia is going to be a blue state someday. Northern Virginia is just too big now.

[Adelante]

35. You're nutz!

And what are you doing out here, anyways :spank:

[BootinUp]

39. Hi my sweet Jersey

I had a rough day at work, I had to take it out on someone, lol. Please let me have it. lol.

[Adelante]

44. Say congratulations to my people

And I'll give you a kiss :)

[BootinUp]

45. Congratulations to Obama and supporters. I am spewing sour grapes, lol.

[Adelante]

54. There you go

I have to put you away now :hi:

[rinsd]

41. VA? We got a shot at VA this year.

[BootinUp]

42. I don't think so

Its different running a state campaign and a national campaign.

[rinsd]

47. double post self delete

[BootinUp]

50. Your link is broke. nt

[rinsd]

49. Yes it is different. But that ignores the strides Democrats have made in VA.

Both on a state party and national party level.

[BootinUp]

53. I'm not in an optimistic mood. :-)

[rinsd]

60. Not a good day for us.

We should look for our silver linings where we can find them I just think that pooping on Obama victories is not the way to do that.

In a couple of months, we're gonna be needed to man the barricades against the GOP assault. Something to think about.

[BootinUp]

62. Ok

But I disgree. I think pooping on his victories that clearly show crossover votes in amazing numbers means something weird is going on and we should face facts. Its an Anti-Clinton vote in a red state, not pro-Obama.

[rinsd]

72. Unfortunately that leads to another scenario

Because what it shows is the anti-Clinton vote is strong enough amongst GOPers that they will vote in a Dem primary to vote against her.

That is not good for us in making the argument of electability in the face of what I would concede could be a close race with McCain.

[aquarius dawning]

75. Either way leads to the same result though. nt

[Little Star]

107. Could that crazy something be Rove. I cannot believe

that many republicans are going to stay Dem's in the general. Hope I'm wrong, but can't shake the feeling of Bush's brain at work here.

[aquarius dawning]

61. VA has voted for a Democratic President twice in the past 60 years: LBJ and Truman.

they didn't even support JFK. We'll see but I'm gonna be real fucking surprised if BO carries VA in 2008.

[rinsd]

64. The state apparatus has made great strides in the last 6 years.

[Hippo_Tron]

93. The demographics of Virginia are trending toward us

There is large population growth in northern Virginia and that's a mostly Democratic area. Virginia will be in play this time. The GOP may have an advantage but they are going to have to fight for it.

[nomorewhopper]

43. pfft what a rude post, full of spin and venom n/t

[BootinUp]

48. Oh well. nt

[aquarius dawning]

63. More like full of reality. The last Dem to carry VA was LBJ. Before that it was Truman. before that,

the South was a Democratic party stronghold due to the whole reconstruction thing.

[BootinUp]

65. Thank you

for providing some facts to back me up. :)

[nomorewhopper]

104. red and blue is no more. the rules are being rewritten. "hope" springs eternal.

if you cannot see the swell of change before you, and you ignore all that is happening around you, and you look to the past for guidance in this election, you are doomed to fail.

[book_worm]

51. umm, look at the last few elections and VA is moving purple--it's a swing state.

[Exultant Democracy]

52. Facts, reality, and honesty, they have no place here.

[last_texas_dem]

56. I think VA is one of our better shots in terms of southern states

It has definitely been trending in our direction if you look at the "partisan voting index" over the last several presidential elections. I'm not sure if it will yet be in our grasp by the time of the November elections, but it's the rare southern state that is actually trending towards the Democrats, and not worth writing off unless we're going into the election conceding the south altogether.

[BootinUp]

58. Well, I give it a 35% shot at best to be honest. nt

[Political Heretic]

66. The only post that matters in this thread is #45

[BootinUp]

71. lol nt

[ElsewheresDaughter]

67. VA is an OPEN Primary....repukes can vote in the Dem Race and they did to mess with us.....

I know you are sick to death of hearing me say this over and over again but, until some of who don't understand the meaning of this do...I will keep bugging you.

[goodhue]

68. But we do have a shot at Virginia!

[stray cat]

79. Any dems opinion in a predominantly red state is worthless?

[Renew Deal]

80. Tell that to Tim Kaine

You guys are a joke.

[Barack_America]

86. And Webb.

The Northeastern/coastal snobbery is seriously getting out of hand around here.

[gravity]

96. and Doug Wilder

[calteacherguy]

81. We've got a hell of a shot of Virginia! Helluva shot!

You're nuts!

[beachmom]

82. Thanks for shitting on all the work Virginian Dems have done:

2005: Tim Kaine wins governorship
2006: Jim Webb wins Senate race
2007: Democrats get a net gain for both State Houses

We have a shot in Virginia in 2008. Have you forgotten the changes in NoVa? Oh, wait, this is all about sour grapes.

Nice, what if Hillary gets the nom? You are already CONCEDING Virginia?

[BootinUp]

83. Slim chance in a Presidential race, just the facts please. nt

[calteacherguy]

89. Get over it. Clark put his money on the wrong horse.

We need to come together to win EVERY State.

No more sour grapes, please.

[Barack_America]

91. Lol. What "facts" will you believe? The general election results?

They've elected a Democratic Governor and Senator. That obviously means that they will elect Democrats.

I don't know how I could spell it out for you any easier.

[beachmom]

97. I DID just present you with the facts. You obviously know nothing

about Virginia and the changing demographics there.

[Renew Deal]

100. The fact is you support a loser

So why should anyone trust your judgement?

[Arugula Latte]

90. Note to Jim4Wes:

Memo: It is no longer 1994 in Virginia.

Have you heard of The Color Purple?

[loveangelc]

92. are you stupid? va is going blue this year imo.

[Radical Activist]

94. If Hillary is the nominee we don't have a shot at VA.

But Obama does.

[Endangered Specie]

98. I wonder why the OP hasn't graced us with a response?

[ellisonz]

99. Nuts?

[underpants]

101. You don't know what you are talking about

Sorry had to be said

[Danger Mouse]

102. Wow, way to marganilize Obama's victory.

How do those sour grapes taste?

[milkyway]

103. Wrong. Barack will win Virginia in November. You can mark it down.

[brooklynite]

106. Right, a state with a new Dem Governor, a new Dem Senator...not a prayer...