Could Hillary at LEAST be the VP?

[musicblind]

As a Hillary supporter, I am starting to squirm and feel very :( so please be nice in your responses!

It really IS starting to look grim for my girl, but she's still my girl, and I think she has so much to offer.

Is there anyway she could be VP and still be involved with this election. I don't want to feel totally shut out and in the dark here, I would feel so much better if she could be VP. I think Obama is a great candidate, and will make a great president, but it would mean a lot to Hillary supporters (who are feeling very dismayed right now) if she could be the VP should the nomination not work out.



Mind you, I still do hope she can somehow pull it out in Ohio and Texas, but I am being realistic in my expectations right now.

[Roland99]

1. Where's the HELL NO option?

[boricua79]

7. LOL

I'm with you on that...although strategically, it might be the smartest decision to unify the party.

[Roland99]

32. You mean the smartest decision to pacify the DLC?

;)

[musicblind]

9. Since I was being nice in my OP I tried to keep the poll nice as well

I thought that might help and keep the replies nice... we'll see.

[Roland99]

26. Sorry...but the time to dump the DLC is NOW!

[mopinko]

30. me too.

c'mon.

[Cant trust em]

2. I have a hard time imagining Clinton being anyone's VP

Seems like she wants to be the one to call the shots.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. And yet by all reports

she's been a workhouse in the Senate, keeping her head down and doing her job, gaining the respect and admiration of her colleagues.

Don't believe all the right-wing lies you hear.

[Cant trust em]

20. I think she's a great senator

I just don't think that she's going to want to be an official second in command to Barack Obama. I have great respect for the Senator from New York.

[MonkeyFunk]

27. But the notion

that she can't be a team player or that she needs to call the shots is belied by her experience in the Senate.

[Cant trust em]

41. I think there's a difference

in being an equal among 99 others vs. being a subordinate to someone else. Hopefully I'm wrong. I'd love to see the one of these candidates be the other's VP.

[MonkeyFunk]

42. but junior senators are NOT equal

to other Senators.

The Atlantic Monthly had a great article about how she kept her head down and worked hard, despite the predictions.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200611/green-hillary

[Cant trust em]

47. Everyone has to be a junior senator

That's part of the game. I don't think that any of us see her as just another senator. She's always been looked on as a leader, not your usual deer in headlights freshman legislator.

[Eurobabe]

3. No, but perhaps

she might enjoy a cabinet position. :shrug:

[LakeSamish706]

4. Sorry, but I don't think that there is anyway in hell that Obama would want...

Hillary as VP... Just my guess.

[GodlessBiker]

5. How about a Supreme Court justice?

[harun]

37. I gotta say I am an Obama supporter but that would be AWESOME

I think this would piss off the Repukes for YEARS, and they couldn't do a damn thing about it.

[Joe the Revelator]

6. Hillary doesn't help Obama as VP

Sorry, but those are just the facts. Look for someone like Jim Webb to be Obama's VP.

[gateley]

10. Barbara Boxer. nt

[JVS]

8. How about Senator from NY?

[MADem]

11. Stop squirming. This wasn't a surprise. Look ahead to the next contests.

It is a LONG ASS way to two thousand and twenty five.

[Bonobo]

13. Of course she could!

[Prefer]

14. I have heard too much negative about her

I am getting tired of it. I like her persona, but her decisions seem to be sellouts a lot of the time. But that's my fear about Obama too.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. She's been slurring Obama all this time...

and now she wants to be #2 in the cult?

[thunder rising]

16. The VP is someone that WILL step in if something happes to the President. This is a nobrainer for

either side. A good cabinet post perhaps. But Hillary cannot be VP for Obama. If anything happened from a bad flu to "the worst case scenario" Hillary would never get away from the accusations. This would happen when the country needs a great leader to keep the country united.

[CalGator]

17. sorry, but I don't see it

VPs tend to be safer picks. Hillary would fire up parts of the base, but she does not bring in a state, has no executive experience to balance out the ticket, and--this is the big one--is not that well-liked outside of the Democratic party. Obama's draw is that he can bring people form all walks of life in to vote for him. He won't want to turn that around.

Safer picks would be a Dem governor of a swing state. Sabelius (probably can't turn Kansas, but would shore up Missouri), Kaine, etc. They also happened to endorse Obama earlier in the primary process.

[MonkeyFunk]

18. Yes

and the longer this race goes on, the more likely I think it is that either one will choose the other for a running mate.

[w13rd0]

19. Although I think she is highly qualified...

...I'm not so sure she would accept the position of VP, or that it would be a role well-suited to her.

[BklynChick]

21. this would not be a good ticket.

[housewolf]

22. Well she COULD be... but where I'd much rather see her is

Majority Leader of the Senate

I think she could do a terrific job there helping to draw up new legislation for progressive programs. She works well with Republican Senators and she could make a HUGE contribution to the country there. And it would be a historic win - First Female Majority Leader of the Senate!

[Radical Activist]

23. Why not?

I suspect Hillary will want to stay in the Senate because the VP slot doesn't get her more power or national recognition. She already has those things.

But stranger things have happened.

[THUNDER HANDS]

24. no, I'm sorry

she doesn't offer anything he needs.

The following 7 people will be his VP.

Joe Biden
Bill Richardson
Colin Powell
Kathleen Snebelus
Evan Bayh
Jon Tester
Jim Webb

[Lisa0825]

25. I would hope not, but I wouldn't be upset about it.

musicblind, I am sorry you feel sad about this race. I know how that feels (I'm a former Deaniac! ouch!). I appreciate you posting a thoughtful question, and I hope that the responses will be kind.

Personally, I have many differences with Hillary, and most of them have to do with positions of the DLC, so I would prefer that she not be in a position to run as an incumbent VP someday. So I have to say I prefer that she not be the VP. Having said that, if it is decided by those in charge of strategizing that she would be our best chance at winning the GE, I will go along with them then.

:pals:

[musicblind]

36. Thank you

I was in favor of Dean last time as well. It always seems this way. I was a supporter of both Edwards and Clinton, and then just Clinton once Edwards wasn't available anymore. lol

[Sherman A1]

53. Agreed & Well Said

I'm a former DK supporter and you have said everything perfectly.....

[totodeinhere]

28. IMO Hillary would not accept.

She would not play second fiddle to Obama. She would probably decide to return to the Senate and then wait until either 2008 or 2012.

[MonkeyFunk]

34. And when she was elected to the Senate

everybody said she'd just be a show-horse, trying to get attention for herself.

Instead, she impressed even her most ardent enemies with her hard work and quiet demeanor. Don't believe the right-wing lies about her.

[totodeinhere]

44. My comment was not ideological.

I am only saying that Clinton wants to be president, not VP. If she doesn't get the nomination then she will have to devise a game plan. She may well decide that running for the White House from the Senate in either 2012 or 2016 would be the way to go. After all, in the past century, only one sitting VP has ever been elected directly to the presidency. (Two if you count President Gore.)

[MonkeyFunk]

46. I think if she believes

it helps the ticket and the party, she'd do it without hesitation.

[book_worm]

29. I can see Obama on a Clinton ticket but not Clinton on a Obama ticket

but I could be wrong.

[Iktomiwicasa]

31. Trying to be as polite as I can be...

I think Hillary would seriously poison the GE campaign.

[Exultant Democracy]

33. As an Obama supporter to the other Obama supporters "She is a Clinton!"

While I agree that it might be electoral suicide to put her on the ticket, she would be a fucking amazing VP.

[Quixote1818]

35. I would like him to put a woman on but not someone who has such high negatives

It would be great if a woman VP could go on and become president but someone other than Hillary.

[RL3AO]

38. No. Don't take two dems from the Senate.

If Clinton wins, I would like Obama not to be VP either.

[MonkeyFunk]

43. Illinois and New York

both have Democratic governors - their replacements would be dems.

[terrya]

56. Absolutely.

Rod Blagojevich, my governor, is turning into a flaming asshole before our eyes. But one thing for sure...he would replace Obama with another Democrat. Lisa Madigan, our superb Attorney General, would be a terrific replacement for Obama.

[msongs]

39. how 'bout Obama/Hucakabee. they can recite scriptures together nt

[harun]

40. I don't think Hillary would accept being the VP (n/t)

[Coexist]

45. honesty, Hillary would make a great VP

if she didn't bring Bill to the party. Taking on the Clinton's is a big leap of faith.

Her alone, yes. But she doesn't come alone, and no sane person thinks Bill will stay in the background for four years.

I am very sorry to give you this opinion. But that is how I feel.
:hug:

[tokenlib]

48. Senate Majority Leader?? n/t

[ingac70]

51. after her no show...

on the telecom immunity vote, she doesn't deserve that.

[Dob Bole]

49. This depends. Would you like for me to lie to you to make you feel better?

:)

[AntiFascist]

50. What about Kerry for VP?

:evilgrin:

[stevietheman]

52. Wes Clark would be the perfect VP choice for Obama...

balances him geographically, politically within the Democratic Party (he's a Clinton camper), racially, and in terms of defense and foreign policy knowledge.

[jefferson_dem]

54. I'm sorry you're feeling down.

Hillary is a fighter. She needs to be in a position where she can use her skills and personal qualities. I vote for Senate Majority Leader. Out with Harry! In with Hillary!

[Crunchy Frog]

55. I'm sorry, but I don't see what Hillary would bring to the ticket.

I think there are far, far better choices for veep. There very well could be a place for her in an Obama administration, but I think she would be more a liability than a help on the ticket.

[cindyw]

57. Can you imagine Bill having to move into the VP mansion.

What is that called? Not First gentleman.

[TheWraith]

58. Sorry, MB, but not likely.

And you're being realistic to feel that way. Her bases are eroding.

But the chances are heavily against her being a VP candidate to Obama. Too much baggage. Even if we were going to go ahead and have a doubly-historic ticket with a black guy and a woman, somebody like Governor Kathleen Sebelius wouldn't bring along the level of unfavorables that Hillary would.

More likely choices would be somebody like Biden or Wes Clark.