I feel sorry for David Shuster...

[jenmito]

This must be killing him that he can't be part of this night! He apologized many times. I wish he was allowed back tonight.

[NightWatcher]

1. I bet he'll be back soon

maybe another week or so

[jenmito]

6. I really miss him when he subs for Tucker...

I think MSNBC went overboard suspending him indefinitely.

[dsc]

2. yeah poor guy

it isn't like he said a vile, sexist remark while doing his job. No wait, it is like that.

[QC]

4. Sexism is OK now. Just like homophobia.

Didn't you notice?

[dsc]

12. trust me I got that message

[totodeinhere]

18. Nobody is saying that sexism is OK.

I thought that progressives believe that people deserve a second chance in life. He made a mistake. He apologized. Now let's move on.

[jenmito]

41. Exactly.

:hi:

[splat]

42. No, they just feel sorry for those who practice it and find there are sometimes consequences

[Hieronymus]

44. Hillary supporters need a new excuse .. sexism is getting old.

[QC]

61. I'm not a Hillary supporter.

Of course, dismissing everyone who disagrees with you as an agent of Satan is easier than thinking.

[itsrobert]

8. He was just following KO's lead

KO's used the term "pimping" first.

[hisownpetard]

59. He used it to refer to Petraeus and the fact that, instead of appearing before Congress himself to

answer questions about Iraq, Bush made Petraeus do the dirty work. He was insulted for Petraeus
and the way he was allowing himself to be used.

Keith used the word exactly as it was supposed to be used.

And maybe you should have explained just this fact when you posted your remark, so that it doesn't
present a distorted view.

[itsrobert]

63. It doesn't matter the context. "Pimping" is derogatory toward women.

That's the DU consensus.

[hisownpetard]

67. Keith Olbermann did not use it to refer to women. Hell-o-o-o-o?

[itsrobert]

68. No use talking to a wall

Hell-o-o-o-o

[hisownpetard]

70. OMG, you're hilarious.

Make sense much?

[jenmito]

11. Even if he MEANT it in a vile, sexist way (which I doubt) he apologized, Olbermann apologized

for him and scolded him on tv, and he was suspended. Give him a break already.

[dsc]

19. So if I call a student a vile sexist name and apologize

incidently, only after being forced into doing so, you would favor me keeping my job? I would hope not.

[jenmito]

26. He didn't call her a vile sexist name. He asked if her parents are "pimping her out"...

it's been said about men, too. He clearly didn't call her a whore. :eyes:

[Samantha]

30. Yeah, the Country forgave Bill Clinton for his bad judgment on

verb usage - why not David Shuster?

[splat]

49. Why is kids campaigning "unseemly" to the point of "pimping"?

The whole concept is wacked, not just the language.

[Samantha]

71. I just never thought Shuster meant it the way it was received

He would have had to have been asking to be fired had it meant that sexually. His conversation was in the political context, not the political context. He simply asked whether the Clintons were using her to "procure" the superdelegate vote. It was pretty clear, I thought.

But this will pass.

[Endangered Specie]

13. IF that remark was so bad... how come y'all don't picket MTV

especially with a show called "pimp my ride" same word!! :eyes:

[dsc]

23. If MTV starts calling family members of our candidates pimps

then I will protest. It is a bit different to call a car a pimp.

[Endangered Specie]

33. stupid choice of words it was

but its no secret Clinton would use/exploit (better words) anyone, including her family, to win.

[dsc]

35. unlike Saint Obama who merely uses ex gay demogogues.

[Endangered Specie]

37. I like how you assumed I must be an Obama fan...

clearly you haven't read some of my previous post taking shots at him as well.

I'm just tired of this "holier-than-thou" crap from BOTH sides.

[Catherine Vincent]

25. Chelsea is a human being.

A car is not.

[LostInAnomie]

51. It's disgusting how those mechanics turn cars into whores...

... and force them to have sex for money.

[Coexist]

3. I still respect him - and others that have been maligned.

Sometimes you are the one to be the example, sometimes you have to watch it hung on someone else.

Either way, its shitty.

[DesertFlower]

5. yeah. like what else does he have to do? nt

[rodeodance]

7. that decison is up to msnbc.

[Skinner]

9. Yeah, I feel sorry for Imus, too.

Poor, persecuted millionaire infotainment personalities. So unfair how they get held accountable for the things that they say.

[trumad]

14. Dumb ass should be suspended

what bother me is they didn't suspend Matthews as well.

[emilyg]

64. Amen.

[fenriswolf]

15. i fell sorry because although the verbage of what

he was trying to phrase was wrong and he should have stopped himself. what he was trying to state was valid. An apology should be enough IMHO.

[CTyankee]

21. Good for you, Skinner! Wrong is wrong......and it's what's behind

their statements that really bothers me. This "I can say whatever I want" kind of mentality is so arrogant I am just appalled. I am equally appalled that a "liberal" would say it.

You restore my faith in liberal males, Skinner! Thank you.

[jenmito]

29. I don't.

[Endangered Specie]

34. Although I agree talking heads should be held accountable for what they say

I think its a far cry to go from "pimped her out" (which suggest Hillary is the pimp, not Chelsea) vs what Imus said... I think they are on two totally different levels of filth. Let the punishment fit the crime I say.

and lets face it, if calling Hillary a pimp is bad, shouldn't we not be allowed to use terms like media-whore?

[Skinner]

39. Obviously there is a difference of degree between Shuster and Imus.

And yes, the punishment should fit the crime. As far as I am aware, Shuster was given a temporary suspension, which is a much less serious punishment than what Imus received. Seems fair.

[Endangered Specie]

47. I only wish they would hold Rush and his cronies to the same standards

:shrug:

[Skinner]

58. Nobody will ever hold Rush responsible.

Imus and Shuster work for a news organization that wishes to project an image that they hold themselves to some minimal standard.

Rush Limbaugh's employer, if he even has one other than himself, couldn't care less. Hate is the product that they sell.

[madfloridian]

50. Indefinite suspension.

If she really wanted to make a point of lousy media, she would not have agreed to a debate on Fox and would not have used the MSNBC debate as a weapon against Shuster.

[Skinner]

66. I don't think they wanted to make a point about lousy media.

I suspect that they wanted to make two points:

1) They wanted to make clear that their daughter is off limits.
2) They may feel that it is in their interest to show the media that they play hardball, and they will not hesitate to punish those who give them an opening.

[madfloridian]

72. Punitive toward an otherwise good reporter whose career is damaged

Chris Matthews sounds like a fool every day. Tucker rants on mindlessly. I can't not even watch them anymore. Shuster was becoming a real gem for our side. I have to read Newshounds to know what is going on with Fox because I can not watch it.

Now he is most likely gone for a power play. That upsets me.

[madfloridian]

38. Skinner, do you really think Imus and Shuster are alike?

That frankly surprises me. I guess Shuster could have just passed on doing some of the good stuff for truth. He seldom tried for shock, and Imus did. I am sorry to see the two compared.

[Skinner]

45. There is a very significant difference in degree.

But on the question of "feeling sorry" for Shuster, the issue is the same:

- He said something inappropriate.
- He is being held accountable.
- I have a hard time feeling sorry for him.

[madfloridian]

55. She picked one who did good work for getting the truth out.

She went after him, and let Fox off for all the hate they spew. I saw Keith Olbermann give a shudder when he spoke of how bad Shuster was to say that. It is going to put a chill on MSNBC whose night shows like Countdown and Dan Abrams have been doing some real live true research.

[TheDonkey]

10. When does he come back. He desreves to come back. The Shustergate did little to help Hill

and that is all the campaign cared about.

[Exultant Democracy]

16. It isn't like he didn't know that the Clintons don't mess around when it come to their daughter.

[trumad]

17. Oh please

It doesn't give the guy the right to say what he did.

[Exultant Democracy]

31. I don't know how you misunderstood me. He knew what he would get if he messed around and he got it

was my point. I don't feel bad for someone who walks into it like he did.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

20. Pfffft.

[Catherine Vincent]

22. I don't.

His punishment fits. He'll know better next time. And I forgive him.

[Kahuna]

24. My heart still breaks for him. This just isn't fair. nt

:cry:

[skooooo]

27. feel sorry for Imus too?

[jenmito]

32. No. Apples and oranges.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. He'll be back soon

don't worry. He's rich and successful. He'll get by.

[goldcanyonaz]

36. Let's bring back Imus too. Poor guy apologized a zillion times. Have a heart.

[johnnydrama]

43. right

because Imus didn't have a history of saying stupid racial things for the last 20 years.

[MichiganVote]

40. Yeah I feel sorry for assholes now and then too. Then I get over it.

[jenmito]

46. He's not an asshole. He tried to make a point and worded it very poorly.

He's one of the best on MSNBC.

[MichiganVote]

52. So he's a stupid asshole. Sorry, didn't realize that. Makes all the difference I'm sure.

[jenmito]

65. Unbelievable. n/t

[Thrill]

48. I really liked him. I don't know why he is being treated like this

sad

[WinkyDink]

53. DS was the fairest and most willing (besides KO) to speak the truth about Bush. I don't know why he

shot himself in the foot as he did.

[jenmito]

60. I agree! But I think his punishment is too severe.

[madfloridian]

62. He did not shoot himself in the foot.

I hear that word used all the time now. There is even an MTV show with that word in the title.

Hillary shot him in the foot, and she refused to accept his apology. It could happen to others as well.

[TexasObserver]

54. She'll be gone, and he'll be back, in less than two months.

It's been much ado about nothing, another phoney outrage for the Clinton Campaign, the latest of many. He clearly used the term in a manner acceptable to most Americans under 35 years old. It wasn't literal, and no one with any sense would say it was meant literally. As a figure of speech, it's no different than saying James Carville is a whore for Clinton.

It's a double standard, but that's how Team Hillary likes to play it.

[housewolf]

56. Me too. Do we need to do an NBC News email campaign?

I miss him & wish they'd bring him back.

[jenmito]

69. YES, WE DO!

Let's do it! :toast:

[LostInAnomie]

57. Shuster became a scape-goat.

Instead of telling Hillary to STFU with all her whining(like they should have). They offered a sacrifice.