All Hillary has to do is win Texas and Ohio and she's back in the game with the big MO

[Herman Munster]

Then she's on to Pennsylvania and will win with even more MO. 3 straight victories in huge states will solodify her support with the superdelegates. The supers will say do I want to go with the person who can win Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania or the one who can win a 9,000 person caucus in Alaska?

The choice will be obvious.

But I agree that if she loses 1 or both states, the party leaders and superdelegates will probably force her to drop out. Maybe they'll offer her support for Senate Majority Leader in the future if she bows out gracefully.

It's Texas and Ohio or bust.

[OzarkDem]

1. That's been the plan all along

Focus on the big states with lots of delegates and a strong base of Dem support.

[NewJeffCT]

5. waiting for a big state was Rudy Giuliani's strategy, too

Unfortunately, if you lose before that, you also lose momentum.

[jackson_dem]

16. Giuliani didn't win anywhere

Hillary has won about a dozen states already. It may work for her.

[earthlover]

43. And obama will have won about that many SINCE SUPER TUESDAY!

[jackson_dem]

45. I know so Hillary may wind up like Giuliani

But she is different than Giuliani in a very important respect. It is hard to say because Giuliani was the first to use that weird strategy.

[OzarkDem]

54. Hillary has already won many states, Giuliani none

big diff

[Hippo_Tron]

18. Her plan was to knock Obama out on Super Tuesday

Whatever plan she has now, it's certainly plan B.

[jenmito]

25. Exactly. Like Bush, she had no plan B. Poor judgement shines through again. n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

31. Despite what the MSM says I do think she has a plan B

And I don't count her out by any means. But I think her plan B could've been much better. Obama is sweeping and that means he gets good press all week. Even if she could've pulled an upset in one state this week it would've weakened Obama quite a bit.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

47. Easy to rig Texas and Ohio

How do you think Bush ever got elected Governor or Texas?
And now they have lots of paperless machines.

Oh, and Ohio - Cuyahoga County's ballots won't be counted at the polling places, they
will be hauled off two times that day to be counted at the county office.

What will happen to those ballots in transit?

Guess.

[jenmito]

51. I don't think Obama's people are going to let that happen. n/t

[jenmito]

49. This has nothing to do with what the MSM says. SHE said she planned to wrap it up by

Super Tuesday. She said it (in different words) after her earlier losses. It's obvious by the fact she had so much money in the beginning and ran out. Her donors maxed out. She went with big donors thinking she'd have all she needed by Feb. 5th. She's justifying all Obama's wins with one excuse or another-very ungracious of her. People are leaving her campaign or being shuffled around. This was clearly not planned.

[Hepburn]

46. Or...at this point in time....it could be Plan C, D, or E! n/t

[XemaSab]

53. I vote for Plan F

:P

[Hepburn]

64. You do have a valid point there!

LOL....:hi:

[KittyWampus]

24. She can't win by a large enough margin of delegates. Or was her plan all along to steal MI & FL?

[YDogg]

2. All a bullfrog needs are wings ...

... so he won't bump his ass on the ground when he jumps.

[thunder rising]

3. Now that's one big IF after a month of loses.

[Herman Munster]

11. they are not fair contests

caucuses are undemocratic.

Virginia, MD, DC are not winnable for a white candidate when blacks block vote 90%-10%.

[Colobo]

17. So Obama only wins because of blacks or caucuses?

[muntrv]

22. Then explain Obama's wins in Nebraska, Iowa, states with mostly white people.

[Herman Munster]

28. they were caucuses

[muntrv]

30. They still count and Obama still got delegates.

[XemaSab]

56. Utah and Idaho?

:shrug:

[gmudem]

40. Obama won the majority of white, women, and latino voters

in Virginia. What is your excuse for that?

[returnable]

4. Who's Hillary?

:woohoo:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. If my aunt had wheels she'd be a pastry cart.

And the people in Hell want icewater.

[joshcryer]

7. Indeed, she looks good in OH, but Obama will pull it out.

TX and PA are wildcards, but I believe Obama will crush her in both states by getting 40% or more of the votes, which doesn't let her have as many delegates as she otherwise would have had. She needs to push Obama below 40% and even then she's going to still be in trouble.

[Hawkeye-X]

8. Bloody unlikely

See my thread.

[Mojambo]

9. It's getting to the point where she needs to do more than just win there

She has to win BIG there and I'm not sure she can.

[Eurobabe]

10. God I hate DefCon 2

:puke:

[goldcanyonaz]

14. We'll hate it come November too.

[joshcryer]

35. Please be civilized.

[mudesi]

12. Wrong: She has to win them by LARGE margins

If they're close, she doesn't gain any ground.

[NoBorders]

13. Yep. As one commenter put it, she's 'all in' in TX and OH n/t

[rocktivity]

15. She'll have to win them BIG, though

All Obama has to do is stay close.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Colobo]

Exactly, and he will.

[lancer78]

67. Just like he did

in California.

[jenmito]

19. And all Giuliani had to do was win FL. n/t

[KittyWampus]

20. Except she'd have to win by huge margins to win enough delegates. Not going to happen

[DJ13]

21. She can no longer get by just winning all those states

Now that she's lost so many in a row by huge margins she has to blow Obama out in votes and delegates to have a chance.

A 5% to 10% win in any of those states wont do it anymore.

[democrat2thecore]

23. That's ---- " A L L " ???? It's a rough ride to victories there w/ Obama Momentum -nt

[book_worm]

26. Maybe...but momentum may be with Obama. If he wins WI next week

and splits Ohio and Texas (I'm now thinking TX may be more doable than Ohio)and is within a few points of HRC in the other then it's going to be tough for her. Obama's strategy of running a 50-state campaign and not just concentrating on the "big states" is paying off. Even if HRC won both TX and OH if Obama is close in both he gets a sizable amount of delegates. I think he takes one of them.

[XemaSab]

58. "May be" with Obama?

Since super tuesday we've had 7 contests.

Washington 36
Louisiana 22
Nebraska 35
Maine 20
Virginia 28
Maryland 26
DC 51

The numbers following the states?

The margin of victory. :woohoo:

[madrchsod]

27. "the party leaders and superdelegates will probably force

her to drop out"? why in the hell would they do that?

[Joe the Revelator]

32. To unite the party against the GOP

[Spider Jerusalem]

29. She's been losing momentum. Steadily.

She looks like a loser, at this point. If she loses Wisconsin...that makes EIGHT Primary or caucus losses in a row. And a total deficit in pledged delegates that means she needs a margin of victory OVER 60% in TX and OH in order to retake the lead.

It ain't happening.

[kennetha]

36. She should contest Wisconsin. Demographics more favorable

Now way in heck she had even a ghost of a chance in the Potomac primaries. 37% of MD democratic electorate is AA; 30% in VA and probably more than 50% in DC. Obama gets 90% of that vote, giving him a huge insurmountable lead. Best Hilary could hope for is to draw a respectable number of delegates and keep from getting totally swamped.

[yeswecan08]

33. Obama has so much momentum now - game over for the Clintons

[joshcryer]

37. I said this almost a week ago. Obama supporters were in denial.

It's good that they can finally accept that they're winning.

[kennetha]

41. She's in for some bad press certainly

But "momentum" is a myth here. What's happened is a walk through a demographically diverse landscape of primaries and caucuses. Seems to me that who wins and who loses depends entirely on the demographics o the democratic electorate in the relevant primary or caucus. The states coming up are substantially more favorable to Clinton.

Of course, the media is going to pick up the Hillary in "collapse" meme and Obama riding a wave of momentum meme. That right there may alter the landscape a bit.

[mod mom]

34. I'm a white woman from Ohio and I am confident from the folks I've talked to that

OBAMA will be the next president of the United States! It's overwhelming and it's contagious!

Best of all, as someone who has little faith in our current election system, I believe we will have the numbers to overcome a bad system.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

48. what about Cuyahoga County?

you know that the ballots won't be counted at the polling places, right?

They will be hauled off mid day to begin counting at the county office, and then again at the end of the day.

This leaves the ballots open to fraud.

[nomorewhopper]

38. that's all she has to do?

gonna be a long, hard road

[CreekDog]

39. Mr. Munster, by how much does she have to win TX and OH to win?

What will her margins be?

[burythehatchet]

61. say MISTERMUNSTER 5 times reallt fast n/t

[sniffa]

42. True

But she won't. I hope you and everyone else now is at least preparing for further hurt. As a life-long Patriots fan, I can only relate that it only took me a few days to get over it, despite the utter shock, disbelief, and hurt that endured for the first couple of days.

If it helps, you should all know it's not your fault. You had no hand in her mismanaged campaign and huge misjudgment of her opponent(s). It's her fault that she's in the position she's in, and you had no hand in it whatsoever. :hug:

[ellisonz]

44. The Hillary campaign is in decay.

[Thrill]

50. Texas is caucus and Primary right?

[TexasObserver]

52. Hillary will lose Texas by 15 points, and that will be the knockout punch for her campaign.

[XemaSab]

60. She's already staggering around punch-drunk

Whether she gets knocked out or collapses of her own accord, well, who's to say what the future holds. :P

[TexasObserver]

63. She's got a standing eight count going on right now.

[XemaSab]

66. If they need to count to 8, she's got one more number left

:evilgrin:

[DemGa]

55. Sorry Obamacrats, TX and OH are in the bag for Hillary

And I'm gonna laugh my ass off when you lose.

[TexasObserver]

65. Wrong. Obama will win Texas.

And you'll cry like Hillary when she tells you it is over.

[L0oniX]

57. Well it's good to have hopes and goals and dreams. n/t

[XemaSab]

62. You're forgetting that they don't believe in those.

:P

[Elsylee]

59. Re:

I totally agree with you. The media is partially to blame with what is going on within the Democratic party. He wouldn’t have these results if it wasn’t for them. It is obvious they are pushing Obama no matter what. Isn't the media supposed to be somewhat objective? Aren’t we (the public) supposed to make up our minds by ourselves as to who is the best candidate? Why aren’t they reporting information such like:
http://thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/09/pacs_and_lobbyists_aided_obamas_rise/
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&hp&oref=slogin
http://obamatruth.org/
They throw trash at every other candidate while painting Obama as a saint.

BTW check out “Beating a Dead Donkey” on http://www.savagepolitics.com