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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:19 PM
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Poll question: Bottom Line - Can Hillary Still Win This?
Your honest opinion, regardless of who you support.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:20 PM
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1. No, I said this a week ago.
I'm right.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:20 PM
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2. It doesn't look good.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:21 PM
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3. Of course.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:40 PM
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16. Yes, she can still win. It's uphill, but she still can.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:22 PM
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4. Not likely, but it is possible
It sounds like she would need everything to go right for her or things to go wrong for Obama.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 04:56 PM
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52. If you look at the gallup polls she's lost 8 points and he's gained 6 in the last week
If these trends continue, well, in three weeks she'll be polling at 20 percent. :P

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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:22 PM
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5. i voted yes, btw
just for the record.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:22 PM
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6. Yes--it's more uphill now, because VA was a beat-down of unexpected proportions.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:23 PM
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7. It's a much steeper climb now than a month ago, but yes, she is
still a formidable candidate.

I personally feel her campaign staff changes did not go far enough.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:24 PM
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8. Yes.- Obama supporter /nt
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:25 PM
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9. This morning I would have said yes, after Obamas WI rally tonite, No.
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:26 PM
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10. Anything is possible...
but it will be a uphill battle for sure.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:26 PM
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11. well, no one thought George Bush would be president in 2000
and there is Ohio and Texas, two very e-voting challenged states.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:25 AM
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37. Nobody realized that Jeb & Cruella had already rigged the game
Let alone that the Supreme Court would appoint a pResident. :(
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:11 AM
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44. I wonder which games we'll find rigged this year?
I mean, the surprises.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:26 PM
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12. I've gone from yes to no in the last 12 hours
She's lost ALL the elections since Super Tuesday by 20+ points.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:21 AM
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35. As have I
for those very reasons you stated.

It's over. She just doesn't realize it yet.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:29 PM
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13. It's not looking good. I believe the more people who haven't
voted yet see one candidate run away with the election, the harder it's going to be for her.

I have to tell you, I had a very difficult time deciding who to vote for last Tue. Tue. morning, I still hadn't decided, and I was actually talking to myself. I knew I had an hour or so to make a decision. I'm ashamed of the reason I made my final decision. I like HIllary's health care plan better than Obama's. I think she would be better able to fight off the RW attacks. But I voted for Obama because I just didn't want to continue any American Dynasty. THAT'S SAD! A woman who would make a great President, and has all the requirements needed to do so, doesn't win because of her name. I still feel like I voted the right way, but I hate the reason why!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:39 PM
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14. YES.
Never lose HOPE...
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:40 PM
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15. Mathematically? yes. Likelihood? Low. nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:43 PM
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20. Exactly what I was about to post.
No need for a dupe, I guess. ;)
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:41 PM
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17. I voted No.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:42 PM
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18. Getting a little less likely each primary loss....
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:43 PM
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19. Yes, if she does well in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania
But she has to win big in at least one of those states (no splitting of delegates with Obama).
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:45 PM
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23. That month and a half between OH/TX and PA will be very unkind to her.
Especially if she doesn't win both OH and TX. Obama will be parked here, and we're already organizing on his behalf. All of his grassroots organization focused on one state? It doesn't look good for her.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:44 PM
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21. Never count out the Clintons
Too many people have been doing that for 16 years and been burned.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:44 PM
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22. Not without serious, serious vote rigging.
And I doubt even that would saver her -- it didn't in NH.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 01:21 AM
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24. Yes she can.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:31 AM
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25. Yes, I still think she can do it
Never underestimate the Clintons. If they camp out in Wisconsin they could possibly beat Obama there. They have the advantage in the next states to come (for the most part) so they can erase the story of X loses in a row, and push the story that the big states are for Hillary.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:33 AM
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26. Can she, in theory? Yes. Will she?
No. This is not quite "over," but today was devastating to Clinton. We're now on the brink of "over."
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:36 AM
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27. No
It would take an Obama scandal for him to lose this nomination.

The whole super-delegate scenario is overblown. I expect Obama will take TX and OH, forcing Clinton to quit on 3/5.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:37 AM
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28. still possible unlike Huckabee
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:38 AM
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29. Not fairly can she
barring extraordinary implosions or superdelegates overriding an Obama plurality
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:39 AM
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30. I not saying one way or another
lest I jinx anything. :hi: But I did vote in your poll.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:41 AM
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31. "Can" is a broad word... of course she can
It's not even hard to map it out.

But it's less than likely.

I may put some money on her at 5:1, but I wouldn't at 3:1
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:46 AM
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32. Yes. It's tougher now, but far from impossible.
But by all means, remain overconfident.

:evilgrin:

--p!
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:53 AM
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33. it's possible. she needs to win wisconsin.
she really needs to win wisconsin. the women's vote may turn out for her in tx and ohio (though they don't necessarily go as much for hillary as previously thought) and the debates may be favorable to her there as well.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:19 AM
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34. YES SHE CAN
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:24 AM
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36. No.
I do not think so.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:39 AM
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38. She might have been able to win the nomination but she never could win the General Election.
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 07:43 AM by Tesha
She might have been able to win the nomination but there
was never any set of circumstances under which she could
have won the General Election.

Tesha
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:43 AM
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39. There are always the delegates from ...
Florida and Michigan sitting in the wings.

Lots of politics before this one is over.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:38 AM
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45. As I said, she might have been able to win the nomination...
...but she's a sure loser in the General Election.

Tesha
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:03 AM
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40. anyone saying "no" doesn't understand politics, history, or Sen. Clinton
I'm for Obama, but I don't let my likes cloud my judgment.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:04 AM
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41. HRC is getting her ass kicked in every demographic
Bottom line, she needs to drop out. Staying in at this point only reinforces her shrill, bitchy reputation.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:10 AM
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42. Her supporters can.
I think it's breaking the other way, but barring some actual progressive campaign promises, she'll probably trail at the convention.

There are still lots of voters to hear from, though. I think your question is premature with the two candidates essentially tied.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:11 AM
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43. Yes, she can still win the nomination.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:04 AM
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46. For the good of the party, for the good of the country
Hillary needs to withdraw her candidacy and get behind the man who will win it all in the GE.

GOBAMA!!!
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:44 AM
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47. Hillary will realistically never gain a majority of raw votes and pledged delegates, so ...
the only conceivable way she'd get the nomination would be for the Superdelegates to override the results of the primary campaign -- which in turn would guarantee:

PRESIDENT McCAIN
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:49 AM
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48. Well it depends on what your definition of "win" is.
Can she come out with the most pledged delegates (excluding FL and MI)? No.

Even with her superdelegate advantage (and I think they will start to desert her; more than a few are up for reelection), she still will not come out with more total delegates than Obama.

So, the only way she wins this, really, is to get the Florida and Michigan delegates seated in her favor. She will not give up. This will go to the convention.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:53 AM
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49. Can she? Yes.. Will she? Probably not..
She CAN win this if they find a big skeleton in Obama's closet that no one has ever heard about. But, I think that is very unlikely.

Obama is not a typical politician, so they typical campaign stratagies don't work. Clinton seriously discounted him from the beggining, and that's why she's losing now. Did she read his books? If so, she would have read in "The Audacity of Hope" that every campaign he's run - he started as a no one, where no one had ever heard of his wierd name, and ended up winning in the end.

That was why I donated to him on day 1, and why I really thought he had a shot when all of my friends & family where saying "Barack Osama Who??".

Over Confidence is what is going to lose this race for Hillary.
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:56 AM
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50. I just voted Yes because Obama supporters are becoming complacent.
Don't count your chickens, don'cha ya know.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:58 AM
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51. If the margins in the most recent races were closer, and if a win
had been thrown in - perhaps. After last night, I just don't see it happening.

Sorry Clinton supporters - I have been neutral - I could support either candidate. I have spent the primaries as an observer (and occaisional critic of threads from both camps that I read to be over the top) - and I no longer see it as a tossup (which I have seen it as since before the first votes were cast.)
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:29 PM
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53. I think she can, but maybe I'm just wishful thinking...
If she wins I won't have to put in all that time volunteering for the Democratic nominee.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:54 PM
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54. I don't think the superdelegates and her big fundraisers will want to let her have the time to try.
Letting her spend a month or more attacking Obama to see if she can pull it out? People are going to start to think about protecting themselves and their own electoral prospects if we end up with a wounded candidate at the head of the ticket.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:56 PM
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55. She can always get herself appointed the nominee by the superdelegates, the voters be damned!
Of course, there will be serious consequences if such a scenario were to play itself out.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:58 PM
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56. Yes, I wish the answer was no but yes she can still win nomination
Saying she cannot win is wishful thinking at this point.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:58 PM
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57. CAN she? YES.
Will she -- for the first time I now think the odds have slightly tipped against her. Slightly. 55/45% is what I think.

Basically - it is still too damn close to call. She's got big, big, big states coming up, and I think its foolish to rule her out. She's heavily invested. Obama's string of wins were in states they had to strategically choose to be less competitive in (campaign wise).

I honestly think Ohio and Texas are the do or die events of this election cycle. Unfortunately for Clinton, where a while ago she didn't need to win them, then she needed just to win them, NOW she needs to win them and win them by a significant margin to make the delegate difference.

Hey, just because I support the O-man doesn't mean I can't try to think dispassionately - I'm a political junkie anyway.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:58 PM
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58. Only if Obama makes a big mistake. It's very unlikely that she'll win this. (nm)
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:00 PM
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59. That's one crazy scary picture...nt
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