It's over. Look at the math. It's time for Clinton to step aside.

[Hawkeye-X]

For Hillary to retake the pledged delegates at the current pace, Clinton needs to win at least 56% in ALL of her remaining states. It's virtually impossible. Sit down, take the time and think it over, and realize that I'm right, and Hillary needs to step aside. The way that the states are dividing the delegates, you KNOW in your heart it's now virtually impossible. It'll take a miracle (and I don't mean Miracle the Horse) for her to get back in the running. Yes, I know there are plenty of time left, but the superdelegates are wavering and rethinking their support. Clinton may ACTUALLY begin losing her superdelegates as soon as next week, and it'll start ignoring Bill and Hillary's bullying around and all the Clinton's markers are used up.

Hawkeye-X

[DesEtoiles]

1. If Clinton tries to force the superdelegates to decide it, she will destroy the party

[99th_Monkey]

25. What do you mean "IF"

Randi Rhodes was reporting today that BILL CLINTON PERSONally called one of the super-delegates yesterday or today,
a 21 y.o. kid whose never voted for a presidential candidate in his life, leaning on him and pleading with him to
pledge to Hillary.

but the guy didn't budge .. saying he's remaining uncommitted, at least for the time being.

[niceypoo]

42. He was on the news last night and he has been called by Both campaigns

Stop with the mindless hysterics

[99th_Monkey]

44. The OP was about Clinton, so I responded in kind

also in part because it's a pretty huge deal for some 21 y.o. kid to get a call on his cell phone on Friday night
from "THE PRESIDENT" .. please note that I mentioned Kerry calling him for Obama elsewhere..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4566898&mesg_id=4567109

[niceypoo]

41. More mindless fear mongering

[Flabbergasted]

2. Count on atleast three weeks, more likely far longer.

[Quixote1818]

3. After he wins Hawaii and Wisconsin how much will she need? nt

[ButterflyBlood]

9. She's not

Hawaii - One of those evil evil caucuses.
Wisconsin - She's not even campaigning there!

Basically pulling a Giuliani.

[Quixote1818]

15. I don't think you understood my post

I know Obama is going to win those states. I was just asking how much more difficult that will make things for Hillary.

[msongs]

4. obama does not have enough delegates time for HIM to step aside and take HRC with him so

big al can be the nominee. Unlike HillaryObama he does not support and fund the iraqi occupation and he is in favor of full equality for all Americans, not just the ones the bible likes.

Msongs

[AX10]

11. I'd take Gore as the nominee.

If we had President Gore back in 2000, non of the shit that occured would have happened.
There is a part of me that wants to see Al Gore take the nod in a brokered convention.

[Patchuli]

28. Oh, on the wings of my favorite rescue fantasy

for my lovely country gone oh so wrong! Please! From your mouth to God's Ears!! O8) Save us Al!

[jackson_dem]

5. She is down by 104 pledged delegates

She can take 59 out of the deficit in winner-take-all Puerto Rico. If she wins there she only needs to make up a 45 point gap elsewhere, which is certainly doable. Didn't Obama gain about 35 alone tonight?

[AX10]

12. True.

[ButterflyBlood]

Puerto Rico is NOT winner take all

Democrats don't do that nonsense thankfully.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/PR-D.phtml

[Hawkeye-X]

14. Puerto Rico is NOT winner-take-all

All delegates assigned to each state/territory are proportioned, and it'll likely go 60-40 Obama, plus the Latinos are now favoring Obama now on recent polls.

[BenDavid]

17. only 25 delegates she is down...yes 100 in pledged but you

can rest assured her superdelegates will stay with her, just as obama's will him.....so it is only 20 difference at 11:09 p.m. c.t.

[Hawkeye-X]

19. No BenDavid... it's not going to happen.

The superdelegates are very independent and can vote whatever they wish - endorsements doesn't matter - most SD's will go with the voters/pledged delegates on their states. You know it in your heart, and I ain't speaking lashon hora either.

[Spider Jerusalem]

21. There are 398 uncommitted superdelegates.

Want to make any bets on which way they're going to go?

And I wouldn't be confident that Clinton's superdelegates aren't going to switch, either. Continued support of a candidate who is not the choice of a majority of Democratic voters is not a smart thing to do.

[Spider Jerusalem]

18. Except that Puerto Rico's NOT 'winner-take-all'.

The Delegate Selection Plan for Puerto Rico provides for its pledged delegates to be allocated proportionally to presidential preferences based on Senatorial District Caucuses on June 7, 2008. (Italics added; from the Democratic Party delegate selection plan for Puerto Rico.)

[bigtree]

22. Puerto Rico doesn't count

:eyes:

[Spider Jerusalem]

23. See post 18

[KAZ]

24. Do you really think every election takes place in a vacuum?

Elections, campaigns, are a lot more than a Stratego game.

[Guaranteed]

48. You forgot the snowball, though.

Dude....forget it.

[Tatiana]

6. She's going to try to get the Michigan and Florida delegates seated.

It will go to the convention.

And I think it will be ugly, which is exactly what we don't need.

[AX10]

13. Al Gore as the compromise candidate?

[high density]

20. I hope she doesn't do that

Because it will cost a lot of money that could otherwise be spent in the general election against McCain. Not to mention the ugliness that you mention would happen from the superdelegate shenanigans or her desire to seat delegates from state contests awarded on "Clinton vs. None of the Above" races.

[TheDeathadder]

7. well let the race play out

telling people to drop out isn't a democratic value, that's more capitalistic. If Obama is going to win it will be whether she stays in or not. This is a Primary after all.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

8. sorry, but Texas and Ohio elections are risky

Texas and Ohio both have serious voting machine problems, Ohio has voter registration issues,
and the new SOS solutions create more avenues for rigging the election.

(She may mean well, but not counting the ballots at the polling places is a horrible idea).

[stillrockin]

10. She'll salt the earth first.

[Thrill]

16. Lets unite behind Senator Obama. Hillary is not a viable candidate

How can you continue to lose by 20+ margins and call yourself viable?

[KAZ]

27. Because it's hard to give up on the dream. Come on, can't

you be a bit empathetic?

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[Hawkeye-X]

30. Che Flag?

I saw it yesterday. I think Obama is just renting that space for his campaign HQ. It doesn't mean it's his.

Hawkeye-X

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[Bicoastal]

35. Hillary hit Obama with everything she had, and you KNOW it!

"Some nice lady on the other side of the podium"...what planet have you been watching the primary from?

Nah, you're just in a self-destructive mood. "If Hillary can't have the Presidency, NO DEMOCRAT can!" It'll pass.

[joshcryer]

29. Her last stand is OH, TX and PH. If she doesn't win with large margins she'll step down.

[Hawkeye-X]

31. Not possible.

Even if Obama splits any of the states, Hillary is NEVER gonna catch up on her pledged delegates. She can bully all the Superdelegates if she wants to, but they're gonna lose interest in Clinton, say FU to Bill & Hillary and his markers, and go to Obama. They did their job, gave their endorsement to their candidates, they want a winner, and it's Obama.

Hawkeye-X

[joshcryer]

45. I'm sure she knows that, but she can't drop her supporters now.

[davidthegnome]

33. Heh

Obama will crush the man. What I'm seeing is that thousands more are showing for him than for any other candidate - what I'm seeing is that thousands and thousands are showing up to hear him speak - because he speaks with passion. What I am seeing, ladies and gentlemen, is a landslide victory for Obama. The "momentum" (you know, that word the media nitwits toss around) favors Obama overwhelmingly.

If Clinton were the nominee she would get my vote. From where I'm sitting though, that doesn't look likely. What's most likely is that - if she continues the race beyond the point of reason, the American people will lose. I do not think Al Gore will will take the position that he earned in 2000 and did not receive. I do not believe I would myself.

In 2000, heads should have rolled, we all know it was a fraud on the part of the Bush admin. We all know who won, yet instead of charging the criminals and putting the rightful President where he belongs, we heard the repeated mockery of our Nation's true President "I demand a recount.." The monkeys (sorry, I mean republicans) threw tons of shit at him (Sorry, I mean mocked him).

Let's face it - likely scenario: Obama wins the popular vote, Clinton fails to concede, it comes down to the "super delegates" who still fail to sway the balance enough to decide our nominee. Neither receives enough delegates, our nomination is over before it begins. Al Gore is offered the nomination, but refuses. What happens next? I don't know, but I see monkey shit (and lots of it) in our future.

I would gladly vote for Clinton if she were the nominee. Largely preferable to Mr "We'll sit in Iraq for 100 years." Largely preferable to the old donkey (I'm calling him a jackass in a polite manner).

Maybe I'm too cynical, maybe I should be asleep at 12:40. Maybe I'm tired of all the monkey shit we're throwing at each other. United we stand, divided we fall. It is still possible that Clinton can win - but unlikely.

[workinclasszero]

34. She should step down now for the good of the party...

..but she won't of course.

Its all about Hillary after all.

[Hawkeye-X]

36. kick

kick for the evening/morning crew

[JCMach1]

37. The converse is also true- If neither drop out, we are DEADLOCKED

either way. The only Obama, or Hillary wins is if the opposite drops out. Ain't gonna happen.

[Spider Jerusalem]

38. Not true, necessarily

if either wins a clear majority in pledged delegates, there are enough superdelegate vores to take that candidate over the 2025 needed for the nomination. Which, it's been indicated, is what will happen.

[cooolandrew]

39. It is undemocratic to say who should run and not run...

...Hell to be democratic Nadar should run no objections if he does. I am sure Clinton can rech her own conclusions. I guess it is nice the later states will get a say for a change if she stays.

[Hawkowl]

40. Oh nonsense and shut up

I'm not a HRC fan, but she still has a chance. More importantly, let the voters of the remaining states have their say. Also, the more people who turn out and feel invested in Obama, the greater the chance he will win the general election.

It is not probable, but not impossible for HRC to win the nomination, so if you are a democrat, you let the PEOPLE decide.

[McCamy Taylor]

43. No, a nice polite race is great advertising for the Democrats. It gets them the most

positive corporate media coverage that they will get this entire campaign season. Once the nominee has been selected and once he or she has chosen a running mate, then the RNC attack machine will begin to refine its negative publicity.

As long as we can all remain cordial, this is a great way to keep the press at least acting neutral. Trust me. Once the convention is over, the WaPo and CBS and Fox News and MSNBC will begin to savage Obama (whom I am guessing will be the nominee).

[Dogmudgeon]

46. You expect the current situation won't change

Isn't that one of Obama's big talking points -- change -- ?

I'm only half sarcastic about that. If Obama has the momentum, Hillary will be out soon enough. But if Obama stumbles, or if the press decides to actually hold his feet to the fire, that could change overnight. That's why it ain't over 'til it's over.

You're also going to have to substantiate that "throwaway" remark about "Bill and Hillary's bullying". It's part of the LEFT wing slime machine, and you're being called on it. Show that the Clintons are "bullies". You are the one calling for submission to enhance your side's comfort. So put up or shut up.

--p!

[tandem5]

47. She will stay in. This will play out. nt

[eridani]

49. I don't agree. I'd like Edwards and Kucinich back in also. n/t