Ok Seriously WTF was Hillary thinking today?

[Egnever]

I just don't understand her not showing up for the FISA bill vote. She was in washington. Even if she was for it she had an opportunity to show up and vote against it knowing it wouldn't mater. It just makes no sense to me. She literally shot herself in the foot today for no good reason. Is her campaign in that much disarray that they aren't paying attention? I just don't understand it at all. Its a totally avoidable SNAFU yet she chose to skip it.

Its been bugging me all day. I don't like hillary one bit and this plays into my dislike of her. I am sure it plays negatively for thousands more besides me.

WTF was she thinking? Can someone explain it to me? Real slow so I can wrap my head around it.

[Arugula Latte]

1. I have no clue.

No clue whatsoever.

This stuff is red meat for the base. Does she not care about the base?

[Buzz cook]

2. Dodd voted for it to, you hate him now?

Jay Rockefeller held the bill hostage. If it didn't move he was going to bolt along with enough other mutt dems to get an even nastier bill passed.

[99th_Monkey]

4. Dodds name did not appear on the list i saw of Dems that voted for it.

here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2856000

[Egnever]

8. No Dodd did not vote for it

It was actually a vote to amend the bill. An aye vote was was actually voting to take immunity out.

[Yossariant]

17. Seriously, Dude. There was a "vote on the FISA bill." Obama was not there.

:rofl:

[Egnever]

22. got that. There was also a vote to amend it to remove Imunity

the important part of that bill. Obama voted on it. Hillary didnt. Dumb politics.

[Yossariant]

24. You're parsing here. "I didn't know standing up for the Constitution was a 'hollow gesture.'"

:rofl:

[Egnever]

28. your routine is hilarious but it still doesnt explain WTF she was thinking.

[niceypoo]

3. So is Obama running as some sort of 'Anti-Hillary'?

Judging by his supporters seething, he must be....they never ever talk policy

...or does he have actual issues to talk about beneath those three word slogans?

Oh, and by the way, when does this 'hope' start or is that just a slogan too?

[Double T]

5. We got it.

YOU don't like HRC.

[Egnever]

13. its more than that

I do like the process. I do like the strategy. I dont understand how this works for her in any way. It seems like a very odd thing for her to do to me.

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. Asking why Hillary didn't show up to vote means he doesn't like her??

:wtf:

[Cha]

32. But, you still don't got the answer to

the question of what was hilary thinking. There's a lot of people who don't like hilary and this is one of the reasons.

[rodeodance]

6. Dodd did NOT have the votes. He told Hill she did not have to show as it would make no difference.

[Egnever]

12. Well then he gave her bad advice

It didn't make a difference in the outcome but it makes a huge difference in perception. I am not looking to torpedo her with this I honestly just don't understand why she wouldn't just vote she was there in town fer the love of God. Who does this look good to?

At a time when she needs all the support she can get why not take the free dem base booster and go vote against it?

[Shine]

7. You're not the only one that's wondering that.

:shrug:

[Yossariant]

9. Seriously! Don't make me start another thread. Obama did not show up to vote on the FISA bill:

"Ok Seriously WTF was Obama thinking today?

Its been bugging me all day. I don't like Obama one bit and this plays into my dislike of him. I am sure it plays negatively for thousands more besides me.

WTF was he thinking? Can someone explain it to me? Real slow so I can wrap my head around it."

Wrap your head around this: :rofl:

"Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton missed the final FISA vote today -- they were the only Senators, along with Sen. Graham, to miss it. It occurred between 5:30 p.m. and 6 p.m. The vote was 68 to 29, so it wouldn't have mattered had they been there. Both were present to vote with Sen. Dodd against cloture a few weeks ago and Obama was present this morning to vote on the Amendment."
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/12/224018/154

:rofl:

[Egnever]

16. The amendment was for the imunity clause

Obama was present this morning to vote on the Amendment."

[Yossariant]

20. Again, Dude. There was a "vote on the FISA bill." Obama was not there.

:rofl:

[Egnever]

23. you keep reposting that as if it changes the fact that hillary didnt vote against imunity

[Yossariant]

26. "It's more important to him to be President than to do the right thing."

All quotes are from Hillary-bashers for her not voting on the FISA bill.


:rofl:

[Egnever]

29. I am not talking about the FISA bill I am talking about the Dodd/Feingold amendm

to the fisa bill. Again she was in town how stupid is she?

[Indenturedebtor]

10. Money

She's taken more money from Telecoms than any candidate this season, and took somewhere around 100k in 2006. I think to date the tally is up to around 80k.

Use the google you'll find it verified all over the place.

"What this country needs is a CEO."
- HRC

[Yossariant]

14. "He has no spine or core principles."

:rofl:

[Egnever]

19. but it wouldnt have passed anyway

Why not vote for it with a wink to her backers. She has to please the base right now. This wont do it.

[ingac70]

11. She pocketed all that telecom cash...

She have to pay it back had she voted against it.

[Yossariant]

15. "Because he's got his corporate buddies' backs, same as always."

:rofl:

[Bongo Prophet]

18. Here is another thing to consider: we need more good dems in Congress.

This November, we need the biggest sweep we can muster.
Obvious? Yes, but it seems to get lost in the BHO v HRC conflict here.

[Egnever]

30. Honestly

I am trying to understand why when she was in town she would let this slip by. It seems like either indifference to the subject or a complete tin ear to the base of the party. In a race where she needs every vote this seems like a really foolish move to me.

[Bongo Prophet]

34. I see by subsequent threads that you're trying to focus on the strategic POV

If so, then it might be better to frame it from an analytical perspective - it is too difficult as written to separate it from a rant or complaint about it. Plus the fact that you are a supporter of her opposition is going to have an effect on the responses you get. It would be a good idea to ponder how you might adjust to that in the future.

By asking "WTF was she thinking?" - you have set up an unanswerable question, and frankly, it's pretty damn aggressive.
To expect someone to "walk you through it slowly", without them being pretty sure you will then fight them all the way is pretty unrealistic.
Unless maybe for someone with whom you have built trust.

It's like another poster who asked what states Obama could win, and then called everyone with the "wrong" answer names and insulted them.
Such behavior over what is clearly conjecture goes on too much, and so benefit of doubt is rare these days.

But just to give you what it seems you are trying to get at--
It is not the choice I would advise if I were involved. Same goes for many of both candidates votes.
They may even be separate and distinct from what I think about the substance of any bill.
I never claim to know what is on their minds, though I do wonder sometimes.

This answer probably doesn't help, but the best I can do.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

21. It's easy to only see what you expect to see...

Here's something to wrap your head around.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4567736

[Egnever]

27. thats cute and all but you still arent answering the question.

Senate Votes to Give Retroactive Immunity for Telecoms

Presidential candidates Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Barack Obama (D-IL) were present for the vote – voting nay and yea, respectively

All she does is hurt herself with the dem base with this non vote.

[lligrd]

31. And They Wonder Why I Won't Vote Her

There is no excuse for missing this vote. It was far too important. Of course, given her other votes, she probably would have voted for it anyway.

It is not HIS "cult" personality. It is not HIS "ego". It is not HIS "smoothness". It is not even HIS message of "change".

IT IS HER FRIGGEN VOTES (or in this case lack of a vote)TO SELL US OUT. PERIOD!!

[Yossariant]

35. Obama didn't show up to vote for the FISA bill.

:rofl:

[lligrd]

36. He Showed Up 100% More Times Than Hillary Did

since she failed to show for either vote.

[johnnydrama]

33. maybe

she couldn't afford the gas to get to the Capital?

[cooolandrew]

37. Well Barack voted against the immunity part of the bill. The evidence speaks for itself.