I don't have a penis. Nor youth. What I have is a lot of friends - staunch democrats

[robbedvoter]

who live all over the country. We became very close after the stolen election in 2000. They kinda didn't get over it just yet.
And in honor of the continuing posts about the screaming and tears the yelling and the Clinton machine - I just mailed about a thousand democrats in states about to vote this posting
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4560756&mesg_id=4560756

[mmonk]

1. And how do you know it will translate the way you want it to?

[robbedvoter]

2. I know THEM. Not ready for bipartisanship kinda folk. (or postpartisanship as you dream it)

[blm]

3. You're fine with 'bi-partisan' coverups of corrupt GOPs over the reaching out

to Republican VOTERS who've realized they have been screwed over type of bi-partisanship?

That seems to be the bottom line here.

Clintons continuing the protection of BushInc and CALLING it 'bi-partisanship' is attractive to you as a Democrat, but Obama reaching out to those Republican voters DISAFFECTED by BushInc over the years is painful to you as a Democrat?

I'd say Clinton's type of 'bi-partisan' displays came back to HAUNT this nation with the emergence of Bush2, the events of 9-11, and this Iraq war. But I guess that level of betrayal to party is OK in your book.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html


And you enjoyed Bill's 3 weeks defense of Bush book tour in 2004?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

And Carville's BI-PARTISANSHIP on election night is acceptable?

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[Dogmudgeon]

4. Bill Clinton caused 9-11?

Who knew?

:shrug:

--p!
Alamo-Girl?

[blm]

6. Sweeping the outstanding matters of BCCI under the rug throughout the 90s DID lead to 9-11.

You want to claim that the largest terrorist bank in the world had no links to the growing problem of global terrorism and its funding through drugrunning, illegal arms dealing and nuclear proliferation as part of operations known and abetted by US officials and their partners in Dubai, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia?

AQ Khan network was part of BCCI dealings and now he's being used to push war with Iran. You must not know much about BCCI, eh?

Besides, BushInc should have been in jail by the end of 1994, not planning their return to the WH in 2000. There would never have been a Bush2 or a 9-11 possible if all the players involved in IranContra and BCCI had been fully exposed for their criminal actions.

[robbedvoter]

8. Of course, silly! Mighty Clenis caused EVERYTHING!

[blm]

14. Bill's DECISION to let BushInc off the hook for SO MANY crimes of office related to terrorism

and BFEE's support of those terror networks DID lead to 9-11.

Care to explain how 9-11 would have happened if Poppy Bush's illegal operations had been fully investigated, exposed and documents disclosed by a COOPERATIVE Dem president?

[mtnsnake]

15. blah blah blah You're worse than a broken record with your repetitive propaganda paste-bites

You could give Tokyo Rose a run for her money, blm!

[blm]

17. Your ProCorruption, Closed Government wing of Dem party is SHRINKING. Good.

.

[robbedvoter]

23. Blames Clinton for Kerry's cowardice in 2004

[blm]

30. Carville didn't sabotage Ohio voters, robbed? Can you cite his refutation of Woodward

who said he WITNESSED it at the WH, please?

[mtnsnake]

35. No kidding.According to her logic Kerry's loss to the imbecile in chief had nothing to do with Kerry

I guess Bill Clinton was the one behind the scenes telling Kerry to go out and prove how outdoorsy he was to the gun nutters by going out and shooting defenseless birds in the middle of his campaign. The gun nutters are dumb, but even they weren't dumb enough to buy into that crap.

I imagine that Bill also told Kerry to make sure to let everyone see him windsurfing.

"I was for it before I was against it." What a dork.

[blm]

38. Carville sabotaged Ohio voters and you cling to RW perception just to slam me? Pathetic.

And illustrative of the complete lack of proportion you all show when it comes to this nation's governance.

[Straight Shooter]

47. Were you banging that drum during these past 4 years, or have you finally found your moment?

The more you repeat the smear and you get no traction, the more ridiculous the spamming looks.

Acting like a Republican to put a Democrat into office. I've seen it all.

[blm]

49. Not one of you can refute the links and the facts, so you resort to attacking me

That's OK. I don't mind. My ego is certainly healthy enough.

But I would also like to see any of you pretending none of this happened show up on the corruption threads that come around and that also happen to point out what has occurred over the years that led this nation into current circumstances.

[UALRBSofL]

61. This is the stuff Repugs have said in the past about Clinton

But if it makes an Obama supporter feel empowered, more power to them.

[blm]

63. Republicans complained Bush1 and his cronies were protected by Clinton? Really?

Can you prove that?

[demokatgurrl]

22. Oh, you don't know the power of that man!

You would not believe how many disasters are his fault. He's still working his evil today.
:sarcasm:

[robbedvoter]

21. You told me Obama will make GOP-ers accept the Democratic style of governance

and I doubted it - but then I found proof:

[blm]

42. You prefer Reagan's Wetdream: a Dem president proclaiming "Era of Big Government is Over"

A Dem president rolling over and ACCEPTING Reagan's philosophy of government in front of the entire country.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. You single-handedly defeated the evil demagogue!

:eyes:

Self-congratulate much?

[robbedvoter]

11. Not really - but the mask has been slipped a bit early - I might not be the only one

rallying the troops... Last time I donated $10 to Hillary, 100,000 other dems did to. My name is generic for a reason.

[alcibiades_mystery]

18. Go on, HERO!

:rofl:

[robbedvoter]

24. No hero. Just a democrat. A robbedvoter not ready to dismantle the party

Your mockery works well for me. Having a whole thread on page one dedicated to making fun of my personal choice of candidates brought me a lot of hits and answers to my own thread. And, like this one, rallied the troops. So, make my day. Throw some "tears' in your mockery - to make it more effective.
Unlike your candidate and you guys, I have thick skin. I can take it.

[alcibiades_mystery]

36. Oh Nooooooeeeeeez

I'm defeating my own purpose! Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.

Come on, now. You'r bitter invective doesn't exactly speak to the "thick skin" you so bravely seek to portray.

It's all fun for now. Just make sure you vote for the nominee, regardless, yes?

[Laurab]

46. We're SO SCREWN now!

:rofl:

[alcibiades_mystery]

50. Don't laugh: mockery makes them stronger!!!!

:scared:

[Laurab]

51. NOW you tell me - I'm really petrified of this email going out

to "lots of friends", really I am, and I don't want to do anything to make them stronger. My bad. :cry: :argh:

[blm]

7. I dunno, robbed, looks to me like you're rewarding the underminers of 2000

and 2004.

Gore's camp certainly believes so.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/clinton200711

And I posted links about 2004 before that have never been refuted, but you insist on rewarding the very scum who SABOTAGED ALL OF US Dem voters. Ever THINK about that as your digging in your heels for these very same people?

[robbedvoter]

9. Sez the supporter of "not crying in my tea-cup' I concede so they don't call me

a cry-baby' "Florida voters don't count"

[blm]

13. Except THAT is not the reality of what I posted is it? Carville and McAuliffe MADE SURE

that Kerry wouldn't have what he needed to contest Ohio as we all wanted.

Yet you assign blame to Kerry - and you want the SABOTEURS rewarded. What happened to your sense of justice?

What happened to YOUR respect for Gore that you would reward the very same people who he undermined his campaign and then blamed and sneered at his campaign afterwards?

[robbedvoter]

20. yeah, Clenis's fault kerry folded like a cheap umbrella - how long will you peddle

that ridiculous one?

[blm]

29. Carville DIDN'T do what Woodward said he WITNESSED on election night?

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

Can you cite the refutation by Carville?

Are Gore's people lying, too?
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/clinton200711


Did Bill NOT use his 3 week book tour to repeatedly defend Bush on Iraq as we all witnessed at the time?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

[robbedvoter]

25. There's NO reality to what you posted. You used to be into moonies & Bush.

For the past 4 years or so, you never stopped sniffing the Clenis. Not for a second. I've seen freepers less focused than you.

[blm]

32. What DIDN'T happen, robbed? Be specific. Gore's people are lying? Brinkley lied?

Woodward lied?

Bill DIDN'T defend Bush repeatedly on his 3 week book tour?

Bill DIDN'T let BushInc off the hook for all his crimes of office assuring Bush2 could return in 2000?

[mtnsnake]

52. You should bring all your propaganda to Congress & maybe you can get Bill impeached again (snicker)

[blm]

57. Gore's camp is lying? Brinkley's lying? Woodward's lying? CNN's transcripts are wrong?

Clinton COOPERATED with investigators and facilitated access to documents Poppy stonewalled?

Is THAT your take on all of it? None of it is true and investigations into Poppy Bush's crimes had the full cooperation of the Dem president?

Did any of you PASS comprehension tests?

[Apollo11]

10. Inappropriate use of the word "penis". Ten yard penalty. First down.

Just a taste of what this place would be like if I was a moderator ... ;-)

[robbedvoter]

12. I wish you were - much as I don't get football

:+

[mtnsnake]

16. K&R

[rodeodance]

19. Thank you so much.

[QC]

26. I just found out in that thread that I am a far left extremist who hates his neighbors.

Amazing what one learns on DU!

[robbedvoter]

27. You must be, or else you'd have seen the light and had your epiphany already

[QC]

28. True. I guess the devil has an especially tight grip on my wicked soul. n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

31. K&R

[Bonobo]

33. Penis envy?

[nomorewhopper]

34. bravo for your bravery! n/t

[Armstead]

37. I'm confused by this thread

Sorry to sound stupid (not a new position for me to be in) but is your point in sending that post for or against Obama?

[blm]

39. OP hates Obama's bi-partisan reach to GOP voters, but ACCEPTS Clintons' protection of Bushes

and accepts Bill's explanation of doing it for 'bipartisanship'.....

Yes - it is a curious matter.

[paulk]

44. actually, I didn't see any acceptence of your

increasingly irrational spin in the OP's replies to you.

:crazy:

[blm]

45. robbed attacked me...fine...she knows I can take it. But no one ever REFUTED one point

or one link that was posted about the Clintons' undermining of 2000 and 2004.

And NO ONE can refute that Clinton's decision to protect Bush throughout the 90s led to Bush2 planning his WH run for 2000. And we all are well aware of how that turned out for this country.

[paulk]

55. no one refutes it 'cause it's all in your head

it's tinfoil conspiracy time

[blm]

56. It's IN Vanity Fair article. IN Brinkley's observations. IN Woodward's book. ON CNN's transcripts.

IN Parry's book.

But.....to Clinton apologists, it's nowhere to be found but under tinfoil.

[paulk]

58. So it's "Clinton apologist" now?

I thought you were a whackjob back when I supported Kerry.

[blm]

62. I don't care what you think. I know you are in denial about what Brinkley and Woodward

and even Robert Parry have to say about THEIR observations.

I KNOW why I post - I know my crusade - you want to relegate it to whackjob, go ahead - it doesn't concern me one bit, because I am fully secure in my reasons.

You show who YOU are when you resort to personal attacks.

[paulk]

65. you are fully secure in your obsessions

reason has little to do with it

[blm]

66. So you need to believe at this point, paul.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3179368&mesg_id=3179368

[Bonobo]

41. The OP's point is that she won't vote for Obama because he has a penis.

I think...

:wtf:

[KittyWampus]

40. Honey, there's a LOT you don't have.

[HeraldSquare212]

43. So you're pulling up the rope ladder to the tree house and not letting anyone else in?

You sound like you're afraid to lose the feeling of mourning you've become used to.

[Straight Shooter]

48. I was going to post on that thread that he's an American, all right. AMERICAN IDOL.

I never thought it would be possible for me to dislike a candidate so much, and I think it's mostly due to the mean-spirited nature of so many of his supporters. Not just here on DU, but everywhere on the Internet. It's like Reagan all over again.

One DU'er posted a thread accusing Edwards of being a big twinkie. Nice attitude, eh? Lots of derision for Edwards on this board, mostly from obama supporters.

How is it that a man who is supposed to inspire HOPE! CHANGE! UNITY!, that all that falls away as soon as they interact with others who are leery of his bubblegum rhetoric and his glitter. Where does the enmity come from?

Ponies, indeed.

[varelse]

64. "but everywhere on the Internet"

it's not just on the internet... I got to listen in on a "live performance" of one of Obama's most dedicated fans at my workplace, mocking "Hillary's tears" as he called it - "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I'm Hillary pretending to be emotional WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH".

He actually thought I'd be amused, too - because in his mind, as a "Kucinich/Edwards Liberal" I'm just bound to see this his way. I set him straight, though. I'm in no way a Hillary fan but there is such a thing as going too far with this primary partisanship and in my view, that illustrates "going too far" to a tee. Fact is, we NEED the Democrat to win the GE - and that is the ONLY point at which my political views intersect at all with either Hillary or Obama supporters.

so, yeah, it's not just happening on the internetz.


I really hope the dems and progressives will be coming back together after the nominee is chosen - because that is when the shit really will hit the fan, and we're all gonna need to deflect our fair share in the GE campaign, if we hope to move forward AT ALL away from the neocon agenda of boundless greed for the rich and endless sacrifice for everyone else (read 95% of the world population).

The endless exchange of petty insults and outright "making up of shit" won't move progressives one step further forward, so hopefully more positive "tactics" are on the way soon...

[housewolf]

53. Thank you!

Thanks for helping every way you can..

[K Gardner]

54. That's too funny. Thanks for spreading the word !!! Gobama :-)

[ClericJohnPreston]

67. "spreading the word"

WTF! This is GOSPEL to you Obamites now?

You are all so off your collective rockers.

[berni_mccoy]

59. Thanks... I think. I posted knowing that it would get exposure. About 4000 views today

And hopefully many more from your email. If just a small percentage of your email list approaches it with an open mind, it will have had a positive impact in my opinion.

Obama and Clinton are not so different in their plans and policies. I believe Obama has the unique ability to communicate it so that all people see the value of a progressive plan.

Peace.

[HeraldSquare212]

60. Apparently those without penis or youth are now also voting for Obama.