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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:50 AM
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Clinton camp sending out propaganda against Obama from American Thinker blog
Stand by; it's about to get even uglier...


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Pushing_the_Israel_angle.html

snip//

One instance: I've obtained a copy of an e-mail from Annie Totah, a Washington society figure and Armenian-American activist who's also a member of Clinton's finance committee. The e-mail, titled "Barack Obama's Poor Record on Israel," went to a list that includes Anne Ayalon, wife of the former Israeli ambassador.

"Please read the attached important and very disturbing article on Barak Obama. Please vote wisely in the Primaries," the e-mail read, attaching a long piece from the American Thinker blog that's become central to the sub-rosa anti-Obama chatter.

The American Thinker calls speculation that Obama is actually a Muslim "overheated" (!) and "unfair," and never crosses the line into the more outlandish stuff you can find elsewhere on the Web. But it does go well beyond anything the Clinton campaign has touched (and more obvious elements of Obama's position, like his words and votes), and draws together a long litany of items from his church (which it says Obama joined out of expedience) to the fact that former Knick Allan Houston raised money for him to make the case that he's a "disquieting" candidate when it comes to Israel.


Anyway, something to watch.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:52 AM
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1. Sad, but true.
They don't have much else to bring to the table.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:53 AM
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2. When I see this shit, I want Hillary to pack it up and pack it in
She is just giving the GOP ammo. :mad: :mad:
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:54 AM
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3. I hate to imagine the tactics she'll use if she loses Texas or Ohio! nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 12:40 PM
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38. I hate to imagine the tactics she is going to use to try to keep from losing Texas and Ohio.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:41 AM
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20. In fairnest this is stuff the RW already put together
The other question is whether this is an organized effort by the Clintons or a person acting unilaterally. If it is being distributed by people with the tacit approval of the Clintons - they need to be called on it. They also need to publicly disassociate from the sender. It did make me sick in 2005 whan Wolfson said they learned swiftboating works.

My husband and I got that link last week - but it was someone sending, knowing we support Obama and who knew the source to be to the right. (This person voted Clinton in 1992, but Dole in 1996 because he was appalled by many things in the 1990s)

I don't think the piece will be that effective with Democrats as it is very pro-neo-con. I seriously felt I went through the looking glass reading it - voting for cluster bombs is good, being for the invasion of Iraq was good .....
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:59 AM
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25. The person supposedly sending this out is a member of Clinton's
finance committee. Seems like they must be aware of what their staff is doing, no? I will try to find another source for this, but at face value it reeks to me.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:54 AM
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4. You knew this was coming
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:54 AM
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5. The Rezko trial starting in a few weeks is also something to watch. n/t
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:04 AM
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6. Yep, and I will also add that Politico.com is a right-wing rag.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:15 AM
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7. That may be, but do you think they made this up? nt
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:36 AM
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18. It's a trick, and an old one, at that.
It's from a blog with no real reputation. It could be anything. There are a LOT of people who just plain hate the Clintons. Not "are critical". Not "dislike them". I'm talking about purblind hatred.

It's easy to make up crap like this. How do you think the "muslim" chain-letter got going? American Thinker is a conservative Israeli support blog. Not exactly friends of the Clintons.

And notice how it's from a Clinton staffer. Not official, just a "leaked" e-mail. Sounding suspicious yet?

This is an old, old, old, old, old trick. And it will happen to Obama, as well.

--p!

From About American Thinker

American Thinker is a daily internet publication devoted to the thoughtful exploration of issues of importance to Americans. Contributors are accomplished in fields beyond journalism, and animated to write for the general public out of concern for the complex and morally significant questions on the national agenda.

There is no limit to the topics appearing on American Thinker. National security in all its dimensions, strategic, economic, diplomatic, and military is emphasized. The right to exist and the survival of the State of Israel are of great importance to us. Business, science, technology, medicine, management, and economics in their practical and ethical dimensions are also emphasized, as is the state of American culture.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:25 AM
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11. "Politico.com is a right-wing rag"
http://www.aflcio.org/issues/politics/
Working Families Vote 2008

http://www.dailykos.com/
Daily Kos: State of the Nation

http://www.crooksandliars.com/
Crooks and Liars

these three are clearly right wing websites that is linked at this "politico" website
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:25 AM
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12. Right on cue...
Hillary supporters can't dispute the claim they can only complain about the sourse.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:41 AM
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21. Follow the links
It's a slightly smoother version of the "muslim" letter.

Follow the links. Check the sources. A blog screed sent from the friend of a friend, none of which is traceable. It's pretty transparent.

--p!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:29 AM
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15. Jackson Stephens would've gone on trial if Clinton hadn't protected him and Poppy
Bush throughout the 90s.

Of course, that would only have assured that Bush2 and 9-11 never happened, that's all.

Sense of PROPORTION, please, Dems. Is that too much to ask?
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:39 AM
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19. Still pushing that John Birch garbage, blm?
Yeah, Bill Clinton caused 9-11. That's really believable.

But keep talking it up. Obama could get millions of votes from it.

--p!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:48 AM
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24. You saying BCCI was NOT about funding of terrorism, P? Can you EXPLAIN your analysis?
Please - tell us YOUR analysis of BCCI and why all of its outstanding matters NEVER DESERVED a full vetting or the cooperation of a Dem president.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:54 AM
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29. BCCI vs the blm version
I'm not even sure where to start. You seem to think that Bill Clinton had the power to do anything he wanted because he was the president, Constitution be damned. You wanted him to prosecute people who had been pardoned. You incorrectly thought that Iran-Contra extended into his term of office. You wanted him to do something that the legislature had legal prerogative over. And all throughout it, you claimed that Clinton was a controlling force in the BCCI scandal, when in reality, it was Jackson Stephens' sordid little show.

Not even a president can wave his hand and have the law bent to his will. Bush tried, and he's going to end his days under virtual house arrest. (But that's just my guess.)

Sure, there was funding of terrorism. But did Bill Clinton fund terrorism? There is no credible proof that he had any more information than the other fifty or so patsies that were used like toilet paper. If the proof was there, he'd already have been drawn, quartered, and roasted over a spit.

I've been getting hectored by lefties and righties alike since 19 fucking 78 over BCCI when Bert Lance was being prosecuted in part to put the squeeze on Jimmy Carter. Always, my politically obsessive friends try to convince me that there is a grand conspiracy involved. Did you know that BCCI is also connected by some people to alien abduction cases? The madness never ends. It's a complex case, so "radicals" see things in it what they want. It's like seeing things in clouds.

Knowing a criminal does not make a person a criminal. If it did, half the country would be behind bars. The common but incorrect perception that "where there's smoke, there's fire" has led people to believe these wacky ideas for centuries. Fortunately, in our age, we are beginning to understand how the mind imposes order onto chaos, even if the order is frightening.

Of course, I know what's coming: I've been brainwashed or deceived by the MSM; or, worse, I'm a paid shill.

Or perhaps I've just heard too much bullshit and don't like to hear good people defamed by wacko stories.

--p!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:59 AM
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30. Baloney - All he had to do was grant ACCESS to documents requested that Bush had STONEWALLED
for years.

You can CONTORT all you want. Bush1 was constantly taken to court to force turnover of documents. All Clinton had to do was COOPERATE as Bush would NOT.

Go play your game of PRETEND with the low IQ set.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 12:07 PM
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32. Yeah. Larry Klayman's games and other pre-Clinton stuff.
Clinton had no power to command the courts. Ever. Separation of Powers. Clinton could not "cooperate" over things in which he had no power.

But I don't think it matters to you. Someone is saying something you don't want to hear, and that's unacceptable. Suit yourself.

And keep the insults under control.

--p!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 12:12 PM
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34. No - grant access to CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS ALREADY IN PROGRESS.
And sorry, but you are showing numbness. And you have no qualms about calling me a Bircher and conspiracy theorist even though EVERYTHING I point to can be found in the National Security Archives and Clinton's own book.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:02 AM
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26. You mean Birch organizations like Mother Jones, Ohio Citizen Action, Kos Diarists etc?
Stephens Inc. was founded by Witt Stephens, a state legislator's son who parlayed a Depression-era belt-buckle, Bible, and municipal-bond business into an immense personal fortune. After his retirement in 1973, the company was run by his shy younger brother, Jackson (a classmate of Jimmy Carter's at the Naval Academy). Witt Stephens and Stephens Inc. did much to create the economic paradox that is modern Arkansas: a desperately poor state with a scant 2.3 million inhabitants that is nonetheless home to a number of wealthy companies. Without the financial assistance of the Stephens brothers, Sam Walton might have ended his days as the most innovative merchant in Bentonville. Stephens money was also important to the fortunes of enterprises as various as Tyson Foods and Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, the television producer and reigning First Friend. Stephens Inc. is an important client of the Rose law firm, whose chairman, C. Joseph Giroir, made Hillary Rodham Clinton a partner. And back in 1977, Stephens assisted BCCI's infiltration of the American banking system by brokering the latter's purchase of National Bank of Georgia stock held by Bert Lance, former President Jimmy Carter's friend and disgraced budget director.

Jackson Stephens (who turned over the reins to his son, Warren, in the late eighties) and his firm were both substantial contributors to the campaigns of Presidents Reagan and Bush (to the tune of at least $100,000 in 1980 and 1989), but they have been closer still to Bill Clinton (whom Witt Stephens had been known to call "that boy").

On two occasions, once when Clinton was running for reelection in Arkansas in 1990 and again in March 1992, when his battered presidential campaign was broke, the Stephens family saved Clinton's bacon with an infusion of money. Indeed, it may not be too much to say that their Worthen Bank's emergency $3.5 million line of credit saved the presidential campaign from extinction. --L.J.D.


http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1993/11/davis.html


Stephens was also the biggest financial backer of the Clinton-Gore campaign. The Little Rock investment banker had supported Clinton in each of his campaigns for governor, raised $100,000 in contributions for the 1992 Clinton-Gore campaign, and extended a $3.5 million line of credit to the campaign through his bank. Hillary Rodham Clinton, while a partner at the Rose law firm in Little Rock, had represented a company controlled by the Stephens family.

Stephens' also had strong ties to previous presidents and was a major contributor to the Republican party. In 1991, Stephens had arranged a bail-out for a small Texas oil company on the verge of bankruptcy, according to the Wall Street Journal. One of the company's directors and stockholders was George W. Bush, now the leading Republican candidate for president. The Stephens family also contributed to the campaign that won him his current job, Governor of Texas.

On January 15, 1992, East Liverpool residents sought an injunction against the test burn. A federal judge in Cleveland ruled in March, 1993 that WTI could conduct the eight-day test burn but suspended further operation because of public health concerns raised at the hearing. Weeks later, an appeals court in Cincinnati overturned the decision, and the facility began operating.

WTI failed part of its test burn in 1993, releasing four times more mercury than allowed. Children at the elementary school were tested for mercury in their urine prior to WTI operation and again six months after the facility started burning as part of a state health study. In the first test, 69 percent of the children tested negative; the follow-up test found that nearly the same number tested positive.

http://www.ohiocitizen.org/campaigns/wti/jennl.html




Ask Hillary About This Tonight. I Dare You.
by Zwoof

Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 03:40:46 AM PST

-snip

While I was writing the original piece on the history of this foul project, a new ruling from the Ohio EPA allowed this incinerator, located 1,100 feet from an elementary school, to accept even more hazardous waste (anthrax, radioactive waste, infectious medical waste and mixed hazardous waste from Hurricane Katrina) than the original permit that was shrouded in corruption and approved by the Clinton Administration

Clinton and Al Gore promised the residents of East Liverpool, Ohio that they would not allow this incinerator originally approved by Bush '41 to operate. However, a Clinton EPA appointee, recommended by his classmate Hillary Clinton, approved the permit.

This is a tangled tale of corporatism, broken promises and an environmental disaster waiting to happen.
-snip
Jackson Stephans seems to have had a knack for picking winners.

Stephens staked Sam Walton when he started Wal-Mart in 1970, financed Tyson Food's takeover of Holly Farms in 1988 and bankrolled Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, the television producer and Former First Friend.



Jackson Stephens hired the Rose Law Firm where Hillary Rodham Clinton was a partner.


In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner of Rose Law Firm, hired by managing partner C. Joseph Goroir, Jr,.

Stephens later hired Goroir as director of his Worthen Bank in Little Rock.

In 1991, Jackson Stephens contributed $100,000 to the Republican Party for George Herbert Walker Bush's presidential campaign, and Stephens Inc. "kicked in another $100,000." Stephen’s wife was the Arkansas co-chairman of the Bush for President campaign. (Wall Street Journal, December 6, 1991.)



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/31/21045/9822/688/446786


The Problem

The Waste Technologies Industry, Inc. incinerator is located in the floodplain of the Ohio River in East Liverpool, Ohio. The surrounding area is elevated on a bluff, such that incinerator's stack is level with the windows of local buildings. The incinerator is located about 300 feet from homes and just 1100 feet from an elementary school. The location of the facility has been intensely criticized by citizens, scientists, and government officials alike. East Liverpool is located at the juncture of Ohio, West Virginia, and Pennsylvania, approximately 35 miles from Pittsburgh.

Waste Technologies Industry, Inc. (WTI)


WTI has also gained significant political support, as one of the original partners in the corporation was Jackson Stephens. Stephens, an Arkansas investor, was known as a significant contributor to Reagan, Bush, and Clinton campaigns.

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

The EPA has been accused of having bias in favor of WTI and carrying out decision-making activities without required public participation. The agency also violated rules established in RCRA during the WTI permit application process. EPA admitted such wrong-doing at a hearing before the House Judiciary Committee's subcommitteeon Administrative Law and Government Relations, as well as the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee.

-SNIP

http://www.umich.edu/~snre492/mcormick.html#Key%20Actors


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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 12:01 PM
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31. Is this about Stephens or Clinton?
Knowing a criminal does not make one a criminal. The "evidence" that supposedly indicts Clinton is extremely weak. It's kind of wish-fulfillment for radicals.

In the late 70s and early 80s, the left tried the same games with Jimmy Carter via Bert Lance. Same deal. And the BS stories on the Right are even more megalomaniacal.

--p!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 12:12 PM
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33. No but taking $ for favors and supporting the powerful over what is best certainly reeks:
I DARE YOU READ THE WHOLE PIECE:
Ask Hillary About This Tonight. I Dare You.
by Zwoof

Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 03:40:46 AM PST

-snip

While I was writing the original piece on the history of this foul project, a new ruling from the Ohio EPA allowed this incinerator, located 1,100 feet from an elementary school, to accept even more hazardous waste (anthrax, radioactive waste, infectious medical waste and mixed hazardous waste from Hurricane Katrina) than the original permit that was shrouded in corruption and approved by the Clinton Administration

Clinton and Al Gore promised the residents of East Liverpool, Ohio that they would not allow this incinerator originally approved by Bush '41 to operate. However, a Clinton EPA appointee, recommended by his classmate Hillary Clinton, approved the permit.

This is a tangled tale of corporatism, broken promises and an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/31/21045/9822/688/446786

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 12:17 PM
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35. Stephens BANKROLLED Bill's political career AND his primary campaign AND
was a named figure in BCCI report Bill was handed when he took office - and all its outstanding matters that required further scrutiny, including the matters involving Stephens, were NEVER handed over to the Justice Dept.

Bill even cites his admiration for William Weld who was the US attorney who helped deep-six some of these matters, and even wanted to support Weld's senate race against Kerry who UNCOVERED the illegal operations of BCCI.

You won't add this stuff up because you KNOW Bill protected Poppy Bush and Stephens on BCCI.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:19 AM
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8. This is what I was afraid of
With Obama's wins. HRC's campaign is about to go way negative. Good practice for Obama I suppose. I'm sure the RW would have brought this stuff up anyway in the GE.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:22 AM
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9. Hillary's campaign better be very careful with this...
especially if they want to win. Going negative on a popular candidate is like throwing salt on an open wound. It would hurt her more in the long run and would do nothing to make her appealing to those she is trying to woo.
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:22 AM
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10. I think it's preety dumb of the clinton camp to think they can still get away with this shit
Bloggers, unite!
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:26 AM
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13. Good! it's 'bout time. the obama camp can put out all the propaganda they want to put out on her
but she is not entitled to didley squat same to you thing? come 'on .. in the words of one famous pundit, "this is politics."
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 12:22 PM
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36. "Politics"..Clinton-style

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis. The ad features a couple at a kitchen table, which some Clinton supporters said was reminiscent of "the famous insurance-industry-financed 'Harry and Louise' ads against the original Clinton plan," as The Politico
reports, and Mr. Nichols said it "personally outraged" him.

Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a
row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters
Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments
that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made
at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack
Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please
forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign
for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs



Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance

By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their
dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-

chance.html


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as
when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Hillary Adviser Harold Ickes Tells Surrogates To Refer To Super-Delegates As "Automatic
Delegates"
By Greg Sargent - February 12, 2008, 11:43AM

In a sign that the spin war over the significance of super-delegates is underway in earnest, Harold
Ickes told assorted Hillary supporters on a private conference call yesterday that the campaign wants
them to start referring to super-delegates as "automatic delegates," according to someone on the call.
The person I spoke to paraphrases Ickes, who is spearheading Hillary's super-delegate hunt, this way:
"We're no longer using the phrase super delegates. It creates a wrong impression. They're called
automatic delegates. Because that's what they are."
The worry appears to be that the phrase "super-delegates" implies that "they have super-powers or
super influence when they don't," the source says, describing Ickes' thinking. In other words, the
phrase suggests that they have greater than average clout and that they have the power to overrule the
democratic process, giving it the taint of back-room power politics
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:27 AM
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14. Sounds EXACTLY like what they did to lie about Obama's prochoice record.
They really are a Band Of Liars.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:31 AM
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16. I hope she is called on it publicly and shunned publicly as well
She is a bottom feeder and does not deserve consideration for the highest office
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:35 AM
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17. Oh for God's sake, now Hillary is siding with neocons to help smear Obama as anti-Israel.
Unconscionable. I am so done with this woman.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:44 AM
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22. Who's surprised? She has to go negative.
It's all she has left because, policy wonk that she might be, she is not winning on the issues.

Everytime they have tried this, however, it has backfired.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:44 AM
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23. This will be in Snopes within a week.
It's slightly smoother than the "muslim" letter that smeared Obama.

Don't fall for it!

--p!
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:06 AM
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27. Slime is all she has left.
Pathetic, but predictable.
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adapa Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:24 AM
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28. if you think *ALL* of Lasky's points won't be hammered home in the general you're dreaming
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 11:25 AM by adapa
The point is not that Hillary is brining these points up but that ALL of Obama's skeletons *will* come out. Isn't it better they come out NOW rather then a month before the GENERAL?!?!

For those that don't find the link & read the long article; here are some direct quotes;

"One seemingly consistent theme running throughout Barack Obama's career is his comfort with aligning himself with people who are anti-Israel advocates. This ease around Israel animus has taken various forms. As Obama has continued his political ascent, he has moved up the prestige scale in terms of his associates. Early on in his career he chose a church headed by a former Black Muslim who is a harsh anti-Israel advocate and who may be seen as tinged with anti-Semitism. This church is a member of a denomination whose governing body has taken a series of anti-Israel actions.

Wright routinely compares Israel to apartheid South Africa and considers blacks "The Chosen People". Wright sees his role not just as a religious counselor but also as an educator and political activist.

Among the gems:
The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for almost 40 years now. It took a divestment campaign to wake the business community up concerning the South Africa issue. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community up and to wake Americans up concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.

Recall, this is a church and a pastor who Obama has relied upon to shape his views, to be his sounding board; the church is the largest recipient of his charity dollars; he proudly states that he admires the church and Jeremiah Wright, Junior. He prayed with Wright before he announced his candidacy for President. He is a beacon for Obama.

If a white candidate belonged to a church where the minister promoted an anti-black, anti-Semitic theology he would be roundly subject to criticism (assuming his candidacy would even be viable in the face of this background). Why should Obama get a pass?"


There is much more in the following link. This is a must read for anyone who has an interest in getting a democratic POTUS next year. If Obama doesn't work for the poor (ie universal health care, min wage, home foreclosures etc all), doesn't present well on the foreign policy issues and loses the Jewish vote; we gonna be in deep doo-doo.

I can't stress enough how important it is to read the link; These are the beginnings of what will be heaved at Obama over the course of the next 8 months if he is our nominee.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/barack_obama_and_israel.html





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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 12:34 PM
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37. I was forwarded this e-mail before the NJ primary
As a matter of fact I brought the article to this forum. Someone (thankyou) responded with several articles to debunk the claims in the e-mail. I forwarded the articles to my friend and requested that she forward my response to everyone she sent the e-mail to and to the person who sent it to her asking that she do the same.
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