"He's running as a white guy now, but just you wait and see..."

[rndmprsn]

"...he will turn and give everything to the blacks once he gets elected!"

WOW...this is a conversation i had with a friend of mine, small business owner and naturalized citizen Miguel (he was born in Mexico).

i asked him..."where did you hear that?"

this is what he said...

"The Hillary people called me and then stopped by my store and told me this"

this is some ugly racist shit going on by the Clinton campaign...i guess it didn't work in MD either becuase clinton got thumped yesterday...i just want people on this blog to be aware.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. More bullshit from the hope and change campaign.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Thanks for making the point.

:thumbsup:

[rug]

9. What point?

[BOSSHOG]

6. I "heard" that

Obama people were running around calling themselves Clinton people and spreading racist shit. People here need to be aware. I also "herd" sheep.

[Bake]

24. Gee, BOSS, I "herd" that you were a nice guy

Was that not right?

:rofl: :rofl:

I just love this anecdotal sh*t, don't you?

Bake

[BOSSHOG]

29. Anecdotal evidence indicates

that that fucking storm yesterday knocked down two of my trees and spread my pots all over the neighborhood. Eyewitness evidence indicates the same.

I am really a nice guy, just ask me.

[Bake]

37. It was blowing and going up here too!

Glad you're OK! Your pots and trees can be replaced; you can't, my friend!

We had a tornado touch down near Pearl (south side of Jackson). All sunny and clear today though.

Bake

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

35. Bill Clinton is "Obama people"?

sorry, but its Hillary's advisor, Mark (BLACKWATER) Penn who specializes in Rovian techniques.

If you read the comments by former Virginia Governor Doug Warner, he isn't fooled.

[BOSSHOG]

38. I'd prefer

people used attribution and maybe a direct quote or two. Between your post and the original post what "facts" have been shared with others in this thread? Meanwhile I'll keep "hearding."

I will proudly and with gusto support and vote for and give a few bucks to the Democratic Nominee for President.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

sorry you are too lazy - Mark (Blackwater) Penn is Hillary's advisor

just go to sourcewatch and look him up.

There Clinton fans post tons of new threads every day, making it nearly but not completely
impossible to allow the truth to be seen.

Tell the truth, they bury it with more vanity threads.

Spam spam spam.

Do what you want, if you like the dirty kind of politics that Hillary is pulling,
than go for it.

[BOSSHOG]

50. Go for what?

I was and still am a General Clark supporter. I'm sitting on the sidelines watching the free freak show which has participants from both sides of the remaining candidates. What am I supposed to "go for?" I'm so fucking lazy I don't listen to limbaugh either.

[papau]

18. I agree - this sounds like the race card I am a victim ploy Obama did when he played

the race card via claims that Hillary "supporters" were insensitive and that Clinton was the one about to play the race card going into a primary race with 55% African American vote

Amazing that such crap sells so well on DU - and has sold so well in the primary that it is no longer even an issue.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. I think it's going to get real ugly...

err... real uglier as this thing winds down.

[BOSSHOG]

4. Aware of what?

that some folks pass on second and third hand information which may or may not be true as if it came from Leviticus? Yeah, it happens all the time.

[mzteris]

5. bs -

I don't believe this "story" for a second.

What utter trash.

[Frances]

8. Agree

Blaming Hillary for such nonsense is nonsense!

Obama is probably going to be our nominee. It's time to start reaching out to Hillary supporters, not alienating them.

[russian33]

7. 'the Hillary people'???

so if i come into his store and say "i'm from Lord Almighty", will that make me 'God people'??

[QC]

12. LOL! n/t

[nomorewhopper]

10. i don't believe the clinton campaign would say this in a million years n/t

[avaistheone1]

27. I don't buy that it came from the Clinton campaign either.

[BlackVelvet04]

11. BULLSHIT n/t

[Orangepeel]

13. I don't for a minute believe that real Hillary people told him that

Somebody who supports Hillary might have told him that. But so? People who support Obama say all kinds of stupid shit, too. Candidates aren't responsible for the ravings of everybody who might vote for them.

[woodsprite]

14. My MIL said something similar re: if there is another attack on the US

and the attackers happen to be Muslim. She said she didn't like him and didn't trust him not to side with the Muslims, since he was raised that way. I pointed out to her that her son-in-law was raised Catholic, but now he's evangelical. She was raised Jewish and now she's evangelical. I was raised Bible-thumpin' southern baptist, now I'm liberal Presbyterian who can see more than one side of an issue. Thankfully, people change.

She didn't say much. Kinda shut her up for awhile.

[NOLALady]

23. You can remind her that

the current administration is Christian. Look how well that's turning out.

[WinkyDink]

33. She can also be reminded that the ONLY "attack" was on BUSH'S WATCH. And IF there is another, HE

FAILED AGAIN.

[democrattotheend]

52. He wasn't raised Muslim

His father left when he was two, and they only saw each other one other time before his father died.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

15. Because YOU say so ,,, BO supporters will believe.

I believe you are a liar.

[stillcool]

47. I am so sick of this...

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis. The ad features a couple at a kitchen table, which some Clinton supporters said was reminiscent of "the famous insurance-industry-financed 'Harry and Louise' ads against the original Clinton plan," as The Politico reports, and Mr. Nichols said it "personally outraged" him.


Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Hillary Adviser Harold Ickes Tells Surrogates To Refer To Super-Delegates As "Automatic Delegates"
By Greg Sargent - February 12, 2008, 11:43AM

In a sign that the spin war over the significance of super-delegates is underway in earnest, Harold Ickes told assorted Hillary supporters on a private conference call yesterday that the campaign wants them to start referring to super-delegates as "automatic delegates," according to someone on the call.

The person I spoke to paraphrases Ickes, who is spearheading Hillary's super-delegate hunt, this way: "We're no longer using the phrase super delegates. It creates a wrong impression. They're called automatic delegates. Because that's what they are."

The worry appears to be that the phrase "super-delegates" implies that "they have super-powers or super influence when they don't," the source says, describing Ickes' thinking. In other words, the phrase suggests that they have greater than average clout and that they have the power to overrule the democratic process, giving it the taint of back-room power politics
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php

[OHdem10]

16. It Hilary's campaign did all tne things the Obamites accuse

them of---guess what they would be winning.

Frontrunners are not victims. If they are, they are not ready
to lead.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

36. next they'll say Clinton has Mark (BLACKWATER) Penn working for her

and we just KNOW she would never employ someone who lobbyies for mercenaries, or has busted unions,
right?

[cooolandrew]

45. OK but what was the victory speech in Florida. It was an invalid cace at the time.

[stillcool]

46. where do people get these ideas?

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis. The ad features a couple at a kitchen table, which some Clinton supporters said was reminiscent of "the famous insurance-industry-financed 'Harry and Louise' ads against the original Clinton plan," as The Politico reports, and Mr. Nichols said it "personally outraged" him.


Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Hillary Adviser Harold Ickes Tells Surrogates To Refer To Super-Delegates As "Automatic Delegates"
By Greg Sargent - February 12, 2008, 11:43AM

In a sign that the spin war over the significance of super-delegates is underway in earnest, Harold Ickes told assorted Hillary supporters on a private conference call yesterday that the campaign wants them to start referring to super-delegates as "automatic delegates," according to someone on the call.

The person I spoke to paraphrases Ickes, who is spearheading Hillary's super-delegate hunt, this way: "We're no longer using the phrase super delegates. It creates a wrong impression. They're called automatic delegates. Because that's what they are."

The worry appears to be that the phrase "super-delegates" implies that "they have super-powers or super influence when they don't," the source says, describing Ickes' thinking. In other words, the phrase suggests that they have greater than average clout and that they have the power to overrule the democratic process, giving it the taint of back-room power politics
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php

[NOLALady]

17. Tell him not to worry.

When that administration leaves office, there will not be anything left to give to blacks, whites, browns, or rainbows. We're all blacks now.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

19. Unsubstantiated BS ... Alerted! n/t

[smiley_glad_hands]

20. I've heard that from republicans. eom

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. pathetic thread

[mohc]

22. Seriously....these "some guy said" posts are pointless n/t

[quantass]

25. AGREED!

[Cameron27]

26. Yeah right.

Total BS. If anything like this really happened it could easily have been Obama supporters trying to stir up more shit.

[golddigger]

28. Yep, this is some ugly racist shit going on and it's not coming from the Clinton campaign.

I just wanted people on this thread to be aware.:mad:

[Arkansas Granny]

30. I find it hard to believe that the people he's referring to are actually

connected with Hillary's campaign. It sounds to me that he's had a visit from some people trying to stir up ugly racist shit.

[WinkyDink]

31. "The Hillary people called me and then stopped by my store and told me this"

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Apollo11]

32. I can believe this

Campaign volunteers at local level are just that - volunteers.

Some of them will say whatever they think helps their candidate.

Some of them don't realize when they are crossing the line.

It doesn't mean Hillary herself is playing the race card.

But it is something we all need to be aware of.

[WinkyDink]

34. Are you serious?? NO WAY would ANY HRC volunteer say something so OUTRAGEOUS.

[cooolandrew]

39. Folks do a little investigation on that, if a couple verify it its a news sotry.

[totodeinhere]

40. I don't believe it, even though I am an Obama supporter.

[stillcool]

41. I read that argument...

right here. It was a couple of weeks ago, and the poster had a problem with Obama owing the black community, also asserting that he/she was black herself. When I asked what was the problem with 'black' people asking any elected government official for better schools, health care, jobs etc., the poster did not respond.

[Horse with no Name]

42. I don't believe this for a minute n/t

[Metric System]

43. I hear she drinks the blood of newborn babies too... n/t

[AlertLurker]

44. "The Hillary people???"

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

48. "Some people say" you post ugly rumors.

"Some people"--but don't quote me; I didn't say it... :evilgrin:

Do you REALLY expect us to believe this? :eyes:

[hfojvt]

49. alerted

You make a nasty smear at a Democratic candidate. While you may know it to be true, we on this board have absolutely no way to verify it. Secondly, the "campaign" cannot always be responsible for what a volunteer might do or say.

[NMMNG]

51. Oh please

That's the biggest load of bull ever. For one, Obama isn't "running as a white guy" and furthermore where is the proof that "the Hillary people" did jack shit?